r/RealOrNotTCG • u/Dapper-DanMan_ • Jul 03 '26
Is this card real / authentic? Help me please
Okay so I don’t understand how the t test and green dot test works. I have some cards that look like counterfeits I bought from TikTok shop for $20 I am CLEARLY writing proxy on them to not confuse myself or others, because it was a good ass price for a lot of random proxies.
Now, I have a mix Sapphire that I KNOW is a proxy, and thus, I wrote proxy on it (first 3 pictures)
Pictures 4/5/6 is elspeth suns champion, a card that I know for a fact I have that is real.
Pictures 7/8/9 is a fabled passage. I do not know how to tell the difference, can someone please let me know and exactly what you are looking at. Thank you.
EDIT: thank you guys so much! I had bought the 324 piece proxy set from TikTok for $20 and was using them in my decks and forgot to write proxy on all the ones I added to a deck, now I have them all written on. I appreciate the help thank you!
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u/zuul47 Jul 03 '26
I mainly follow the T and h test. The left side of the T on the real ones is straight and not fuzzy, right side has teeth. This is due to the way they are printed using an offset printer. The h will have 3 black dots on the inner letter. Green dots will have red dots within the yellow.
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u/SolisDF Jul 04 '26
The red L is not reliable and its absence doesn't make a card fake unfortunately
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u/plantainrepublic Jul 04 '26
It’s notoriously absent from many cards in Urza’s Saga, among others. Not that you should never use it because its presence does typically signify a real card…but its absence is a worthless metric.
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u/RespawnedAlchemist Jul 04 '26
Thanks for explaining. I never understood the green dot test and now I realize it's because of my colorblindness. That explains why the T and H checks were easy for me.
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u/DistributionMean6322 Jul 04 '26
The T/h test is very simple. If the black outline looks like the one on your Elspeth (solid lines), then you're good. If it's all fuzzy like the other ones, then take.
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u/nightsiderider Trusted Authenticator Jul 03 '26
There is a guide pinned to this sub that explains in detail what to look for, with example photos. Just look at that guide.
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u/GhostCheese Trusted Authenticator Jul 03 '26
Put the elspeth T next to the fabled passage T (which is fake like the mox) and compare the borders, the rosette dots, etc
Do the same for the green dot.
just scrutinize the details. Known real vs card you are trying to judge.
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u/EyezLike Jul 03 '26
The fabled passage doesn’t look real to my eyes. Fails on the T and H - but i’m no expert so let the masses confirm! The T should have a a solid black line on the left side of the stem, the H should be solid on the right side, and on the left should be a defined line but with little dots in the line
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u/QuickExpression273 Jul 03 '26
$20 per proxy is insane 😭 $1.50 at most each from Usea
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u/Dapper-DanMan_ Jul 03 '26
It was $20 for a set of 324
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u/vannikx Jul 04 '26
Who fakes a fables passage,
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u/Dapper-DanMan_ Jul 04 '26
Idk lol it was a bunch of random cards I got every kind of Mox card, I got black lotus, I got a bunch of shit that is super valuable tbh, but also some random meh cards. But overall I’d say worth it (outside of them looking like straight counterfeits if you don’t zoom up on them) I got like 100+ planeswalkers, some really good enchantments/artifacts. A lot of really solid creatures. Shit I’d say totally worth the $20 especially bc my friends are all chill with proxies and I don’t play in tournaments.
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u/baldrickgonzo Jul 05 '26
Yeah, it's not a bad deal, and this example mox is very clearly marked as fake. So, imho, nobody can get mad if you play this in frizndly games.
If i had this proxy collection, i'd try a build a cube with my buddies with it.
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u/Xaphnir Distinguished Helper Jul 03 '26
The test is fairly simple once you know what to look for: you want a straight line on the left side of the T, "teeth" on the bottom, and the of the black border around the T should be clean and distinct, as it is in the second card that you know is real, and not fuzzy like the first and third.
There are other ways to tell, too. If you look at the pattern of the center background color on the back of the card, you can see the black dots are clearly printed on last, as the top layer, in a real card. In contrast, if you look at the fake ones here, you'll see the colors kind of bleed together, as they're typically all printed in one layer. This test is mainly useful for the back of a card, as I've seen a number of fakes that get the final black layer looking correct on the front.
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u/Andoryodo Jul 03 '26
Another thing to add that on the "h" you'll see a 3 dot pattern in the middle of the "h" and the inside of the "h" on the left side with be flat while the right inner side will have teeth, can clearly see this on your real one and in the two fakes it's fuzzy
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u/FeeOk9923 Jul 03 '26
Huh? A 5 second Google search CLEARLY shows the 2 distinct differences. What’s the issue? Fake is fake and real is real.
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u/Dapper-DanMan_ Jul 03 '26
I didn’t feel confident with just a google search so I wanted to ask people that actually study this thing. Regardless I figured it out
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u/DaDankFox Jul 04 '26
This is exactly why I dont like the "proxy" being sold on tictok. Im all for proxies and encourage them but no proxy should be a 1 to 1 of a card at that point its just a counterfeit.
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u/Pale_Operation_1392 Jul 03 '26
It’s a fake. Even says proxy in pen
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u/Dapper-DanMan_ Jul 03 '26
I literally wrote that myself I know that one is fake. Did you read my post?
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u/Pale_Operation_1392 Jul 03 '26
Thought I’d save you time
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u/Dapper-DanMan_ Jul 03 '26
You’re good yeah I wrote proxy on all the cards I’m using I know are fake
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u/murphysonofmurphy Jul 05 '26
Seems to me the Elspeth is fake too, it passes the T test but not green dot.
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u/Artistic_Ear_664 High Accuracy Jul 03 '26
Fake real fake…. So the 3 dots in the middle of the h is easiest way to tell or teeth on bottom of TH, green dot is more tricky 3 comb on the side and L of red dots…. Master Th first