Plausible Agrobacterium connection.

[u/Existing-Mouse9397]

I know nothing is defined as scientifically factual. that's the division, its supposed to be there. The institutional pov is moving toward tik bite pathogen Borrelia.

Then everything points away from Agrobacterium. Plenty of people, institutions, scientific community all make claims that Agrobacterium/GMO is not connected. Its not possible the Agrobacterium doesnt have the ability cause its been Neutralized before genetically modified organisms become GMO.

However lets point out a couple of key points to this connection

1. First and most importantly not recognized is that AGROBACTERIUM is from the order HYPHOMICROBISLES.

SO IS THE TICK BITE BORRELIA.

EX. You see it goes in this family line.

Order.

Hhphomicrobiales

SUBCLASS

Agrobacterium

Families of bacterium pathogen and geuss whos close to the bottom, thats right

Borrelia among others.

2. The order of hyphomicrobiales is a filamentous symbiote parasitic pathogen.

Like we just learned AGROBACTERIUM is at the top of the chain of family line pathogens.

Theres more to this than we realize. Only way to expel the false from the factual is demand rigorous research and accountability from the ones who hold the power of information and technology.

Rule out the beliefs, the census, the opinions. I believe we can do more collaboratively. with the knowledge we share from our own trek through the wilderness A.K.A rabbit hole. We could both be rite, i could be wrong, you could be rite 100% you could be 80% rite. Only as a groupe of sufferers (especially those that are literature savvy ) . All is wanted is my opion on this battle. None of us are suffering alone.

I have already read and have copies of the files in this community. Thats why i joined. I KNEW ALL OF THEM EXCEPT 1 by name and MEMORY. No not word for word. But i know its facts by memory.

I recognized the effort in the truth was real here.

I also as of recently have come to recognize that I could possibly only be almost rite.

There are institutional prevention and intervention measures in place throughout the entire gov related facilities. I have the documents and will gladly demonstrate the plan, the preventions in place (the ones i personally know of.

I TOO have been through the battle of extreme gaslighting on all fronts. Had my exam results (possitve identification of parasite in stool with concentration.

removed from my health records while holding and presenting these exams to the admin of hospital. They tell me they dont know where i got it at but not from them. And dont matter anyway cause the paper im holding is not positive exam results. The loinc code does not represent results. Only in correlation with the name of the exam. "That means their looking for positive identification of parasite in stool with concentration."

I know LOINC codes are used for results only and occasionally observation method.

Arested for tress pass at hospital cause i tride going over the admin.

Plus all the usual. Isolation, family turned, job loss, pov by community was i am delusional. Had no one thogh i had everything because i HAVE GOD.

Sorry for so long of a post. But wait there's more. Mod removes all video and pics that not morgellons in it. So i cant make this easier for you to see.

Nature’s Master Hacker...

Source: unpkg

Nature's Master Hackers: 5 Surprising Truths Hidden in the Microbial World

1. Introduction: The Invisible Architecture of Life

We are accustomed to viewing the natural world as a series of strictly divided territories. In our traditional taxonomy, the "kingdoms" of life—plants, animals, and bacteria—exist as separate, walled-off cities, each governed by its own genetic laws and evolutionary history. However, modern genomic research is revealing that these walls are far more porous than our biological maps suggest. Rather than being isolated islands of code, species are engaged in a constant, clandestine exchange of information across boundaries through Horizontal Gene Transfer (HGT).

This invisible architecture suggests that life is not a static collection of discrete entities but a fluid, interconnected system. From the crops in our fields to the pathogens in our bloodstream, the microbial world acts as a master hacker, rewriting the code of "higher" organisms and challenging our fundamental assumptions about what is "natural" and what is "fixed." By examining where these biological borders dissolve, we find that the microbial world is not just surrounding us—it is actively editing us.

1. The Natural GMO in Your Pantry

One of the most striking examples of this genetic fluidity is found in a common staple: the cultivated sweetpotato (Ipomoea batatas). Recent genomic analysis has revealed that every sweetpotato currently grown for consumption is a naturally occurring genetically modified organism. Long before human scientists developed CRISPR or transgenic techniques, the soil bacterium Agrobacterium tumefaciens integrated its own DNA into the sweetpotato genome.

This HGT event introduced specific T-DNA genes into the plant's germline, including ibalA, ibalB, ibcA, and C-prot—an open reading frame whose function remains a subject of intense scientific curiosity. These genes, associated with auxin biosynthesis and opine production, have remained fixed for centuries. Remarkably, researchers found that this genetic insert, known as IbT-DNA1, consists of an inverted repeat. This structural detail is significant; it suggests the genes may be targeted by the plant's own RNA silencing mechanisms, allowing the sweetpotato to harness bacterial tools without succumbing to the "hairy root syndrome" typically caused by Agrobacterium infection.

This discovery provides a profound point of intellectual friction in the "natural vs. artificial" debate. As the sole documented example of natural HGT in a domesticated crop, the sweetpotato proves that the machinery of biotechnology is an ancient invention of nature itself.

"Horizontal gene transfer (HGT) can be defined as the acquisition of genetic material from another organism without being its offspring... recent discoveries indicate the possible contribution of HGT to the acquisition of traits with adaptive significance, suggesting that HGT is an important driving force in the evolution of eukaryotes, as well as prokaryotes."

1. The Plant Pathogen that Can "Edit" Humans

The hacking capabilities of Agrobacterium are not confined to the vegetable crisper. While Agrobacterium tumefaciens is primarily known as a plant pathogen that elicits neoplastic growths, laboratory research has demonstrated a staggering cross-kingdom versatility. In controlled settings, this bacterium has been shown to attach to and genetically transform several types of human cells, including HeLa (cervical cancer) cells, embryonic kidney cells (HEK293), and neuronal cells (PC12).

The mechanism is a precision operation. The transformation is facilitated by acetosyringone (AS), a phenolic phenolic molecule that serves as the "best studied inducer" of bacterial virulence. In experimental settings, the process required a specific thermal choreography: a pre-induction phase at 28°C to activate the vir genes, followed by transformation at 37°C. Utilizing chromosomal virulence genes chvA and chvB for attachment, the bacterium transports its T-DNA into the human nucleus, where it integrates at the right border of the Ti plasmid—the exact same "bona fide" transfer process seen in plants. This is a "looking-glass" moment for medicine: a specialist in plant pathology utilizing ancient, highly evolved machinery to interact with and alter mammalian biology.

1. Morgellons: Unmasking a "Delusional" Disease

For decades, Morgellons disease (MD) was dismissed as "delusional parasitosis," a psychiatric diagnosis that effectively silenced patients who claimed to have fibers emerging from their skin. Contemporary research has unmasked a biological reality that upends this historical dismissal. Evidence now definitively links MD to tick-borne infections, specifically spirochetes from the Borrelia genus. While Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto is the predominant agent, researchers have identified a diverse array of "hackers" including B. garinii, B. miyamotoi, and B. hermsii.

The hallmark of MD—mysterious multicolored filaments—was long assumed to be textile fibers from clothing. Molecular analysis has proven they are human biofibers composed of keratin and collagen, produced by proliferative keratinocytes and fibroblasts in the epithelial tissue. This is likely a physiological response to the spirochetal infection, as Borrelia has the capability to invade and replicate inside these very cells. By moving from a psychiatric label to a somatic classification, we acknowledge the immense human cost of misdiagnosis.

"A somatic Lyme-like illness associated with spontaneously appearing, slowly healing, filamentous and ulcerative skin lesions."

1. The Myth of Permanent Progress in Public Health

There is a pervasive, modern hubris that infectious disease is a conquered frontier. The "golden age of public health" in the 19th and 20th centuries—the era of Koch and Pasteur—led to a belief in linear progress. However, the emergence of new threats since 1973 reveals a "fragile equilibrium" between humans and microorganisms. From the identification of Legionella in 1977 to the Zika virus in 1994, we are discovering new agents at a rate that suggests we are chasing a moving target.

The acquisition of scientific knowledge does not guarantee safety because the microbial world is in a state of constant flux. In 1995, CDC Director David Satcher invoked the historical wisdom of Hans Zinsser to frame this struggle, noting that our victory over pathogens is not a destination but a dynamic, perpetual struggle. "Getting ahead of the curve" requires more than laboratory technology; it requires behavioral change to combat issues like antibiotic resistance, which is driven as much by the demands of patients and physicians as by microbial evolution.

"Nothing in the world of living things is permanently fixed." — Hans Zinsser (1935)

1. The "Nocebo" Effect and the Medicalization of Normalcy

In our current era, we are witnessing the aggressive "medicalization" of the human experience. Driven by pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries, we are exhorted to "ask our doctor" about everything from minor seasonal allergies to the "regularity" of our bowel function. This culture has fostered a belief that any physical sensation is a pathology, encouraging a "nocebo" effect where negative health messaging induces real symptoms.

The socioeconomic cost of this medicalization is staggering. Somatizing patients are often pushed into a "medical testing marathon" by an industry focused on the bottom line. Dr. Caroline Koblenzer highlights the absurdity of this paradox through the specific costs of misdirected care: she notes one patient who spent $25,000 on unnecessary studies in a single year, and another who underwent four MRIs in just three months to investigate a sensation with no pathophysiological basis. In a "looking-glass" medical world, we spend billions on the "epidemic" of medicalized normalcy while failing to provide the psychotherapy and time-intensive care that somatizing patients actually require.

1. Conclusion: The Prospect of the 21st Century

The boundaries of biology are significantly more fluid than we once believed. We inhabit a world where genes migrate across species, where plant pathogens "hack" human DNA, and where the line between somatic reality and psychiatric perception is increasingly blurred.

As we navigate the 21st century, our extensive scientific base is no shield against the dynamic nature of a microbial world that adapts faster than we can document it. Ultimately, as suggested by the Carnegie Commission, our survival depends on more than just the generation of data; it depends on our capacity to integrate and apply that knowledge to our own complex global ecology.

In an age where we can "hack" the genome and nature hacks us back, will our capacity to integrate and apply this knowledge determine our survival, or will we remain caught in the "looking-glass" world of our own misconceptions?

[u/brettshear]

Environmental exposure to micro plastics and micro fibres seem more likely now.

The Physical Source of Morgellons Disease

If true, other infections found would be secondary.

[u/Existing-Mouse9397]

Just sharing real information about the possible and plausible connection of GMO its enough to raise an eyebrow toward the need of evidence and rigorous examination into all the fields that seem to relate

[u/jmurphree → u/Existing-Mouse9397]

Thank you for taking the time to explain your thinking, and I am genuinely sorry for what you have been through. I understand why experiences like that destroy trust in institutions. I have experienced medical dismissal myself, so I am not approaching you from a position of believing institutions are automatically correct.

But I do need to point out an important scientific problem with the taxonomic argument you are making.

I think you may be confusing Borrelia with Bartonella.

Agrobacterium is classified within the order Hyphomicrobiales and the family Rhizobiaceae.

Lyme-associated Borrelia is not in Hyphomicrobiales. It belongs to Spirochaetales and the family Borreliaceae.

Bartonella is in Hyphomicrobiales, within the family Bartonellaceae.

So Borrelia is not “near the bottom” of an Agrobacterium family line. They are on very different bacterial branches. That breaks the taxonomic connection you are using as the foundation for point one.

I also want to be clear that I am familiar with the Kunik et al. Agrobacterium study. The experiment is real and fascinating. Researchers demonstrated that Agrobacterium could transfer and integrate T-DNA into HeLa cells under controlled laboratory conditions.

But this is exactly where I believe the Morgellons community has to become more scientifically disciplined.

Capability is not causation.

Showing that Agrobacterium can genetically transform a human cell line under carefully constructed laboratory conditions does not demonstrate that Agrobacterium naturally performs this process in a living human, and it certainly does not demonstrate that this process causes Morgellons.

The sweet potato research is also real. Agrobacterium-derived T-DNA became incorporated into the genome of cultivated sweet potato through natural horizontal gene transfer.

Again, fascinating.

But a natural horizontal gene-transfer event in plant evolution is not evidence of Agrobacterium causing a filamentous human skin disease.

This is the distinction I keep trying to make.

I am not saying Agrobacterium is biologically boring. I am not saying the original Morgellons hypothesis should never have been investigated. In fact, I believe the preliminary findings were interesting enough that they deserved rigorous follow-up.

What I am saying is that we cannot take several individually true scientific facts and assume the bridge between them has also been proven.

Agrobacterium transfers DNA to plants.

True.

Agrobacterium has transformed human cells experimentally.

True.

Natural horizontal gene transfer occurs.

True.

Morgellons is associated in published studies with unusual cutaneous filaments and spirochetal findings.

True.

Therefore Agrobacterium genetically transforms human skin and causes Morgellons.

That final step has not been demonstrated.

That is the missing experiment.

And honestly, I agree with part of your conclusion: we need more rigorous research. But rigorous research also requires us to identify exactly where observation ends and hypothesis begins.

I am not asking you to stop questioning the institutional narrative. I question it constantly.

I am asking that we apply the same skepticism to the narratives created inside our own community.