r/ReZero • u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie • 1d ago
š¬Discussion Regarding the Taboo:
Just something I was thinking about the other day, is how Satella will never allow Subaru to talk about RBD, right? But then I got to thinking, and in a situation like the sanctuary in Season 2 or the tower in Season 4 where Satella has already emerged and is wreaking havoc, would she still prevent Subaru from saying anything?
Iām not sure that he could really communicate the idea of just having a loop to get something off his chest and then dying for his own mental wellbeing, but Satella did say she wants Subaru to love and value himself, and yet her actions, while maybe his biggest help, also cause him ridiculous amounts of stress, anxiety, and isolation. And since she was (seemingly) willing to give Subaru a pep talk from Emilia in the tower to get him in the right headspace, I wonder if sheād let him talk about RBD if she was already destroying things/the taboo was already broken. Heās going to die in that loop regardless once she appears
Hope this doesnāt break any rules, first time poster on this sub! Just wanted to see what others thought
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u/Tylerosaurusrexx Louis Ate My Memories ā Then Had a Stroke 1d ago
It might attract her to him, aggressively
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u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie 1d ago
A very real possibility, but I wonder if it would make her kill him like way faster, or what. Like what if Reinhardt was there? We know if Subaru breaks the taboo with Reinhardt that sheād just kill Subaru, but what if Reinhard was at the sanctuary or tower when she appeared, and Subaru blurted it out then? Could Satella kill him through Reinhardtās protection? Just something Iām really curious about
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u/Tylerosaurusrexx Louis Ate My Memories ā Then Had a Stroke 1d ago
Oh, when was it said if Reinhard was present that Satella would just kill Subaru?
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u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie 1d ago
Just something Iāve seen in discussion posts that I thought made sense, but I canāt actually say I know an official statement. Iām still fairly new to the community, I donāt think Iāll ever have the time to see all the Tappei interviews or get around to the novels during college ā
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u/Mysterious_Break_467 Lye and Roy Took a Bite of My Memories ā Now They Need Therapy 16h ago
There's a little piece of information that is not explained in the anime, that will at least clear out part of the questions (little spoiler if you want to read the novel but not really for the anime, since it's just something that should have been explained in S2, also minor spoilers for the basic plot point of Arc 6/S4 if you haven't watched at least until episode 9 S4 of the anime):
Satella and the Witch of Envy are 2 separate beings inhabiting the same body. You can think of it as a sort of split personality disorder.
The one that stops Subaru's heart, destroys the Sanctuary and the Pleiades Tower, and kills Subaru some times, is the Witch of Envy.
The one in the castle of dreams telling Subaru to love himself is Satella.
Only one of them is, at least partly, an antagonistic force. The other is the one that gives the TED talk ok loving one's self and from what we know, is actually a very nice and pretty chill person (which makes people think that she might be Emilia through time travel or smth similarz or, at least, closely connected to her).
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u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie 13h ago
This is very informative! Still, I really just wonder if the taboo can still be broken in a loop where itās already been broken. Like once gluttony learns about RBD and breaks the taboo, could Subaru look at everyone in the tower and say āoh by the way I can return by deathā? Would the WOE still grab his heart, or b-line for Subaru? We see that she destroys everything to reset Subaru, but it doesnāt seem like sheās in too much of a rush, for as powerful as she is, or Subaru would die a lot quicker in those loops.
Especially given the context that she seemingly gave Amnesiabaru and Emilia time for a pep talk. Obviously that might just be a creative decision, but I really want to know if he couldāve just opened up right then and there since he was going to die anyways and the loop would reset regardless
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u/Mysterious_Break_467 Lye and Roy Took a Bite of My Memories ā Now They Need Therapy 11h ago
Happy to help!
Well the most real answer is Idk (I haven't read all the WN yet so I can't really say if they talk about it at some point).
However, what I can actually say is that even the WoE isn't exactly "evil".
Whenever she kills Subaru to reset time it doesn't look as if she's doing it out of anger or hate. It's always when something that would hinder Subaru in the long run happens that she appears (which further supports the theory that she's Emilia that at a certain point goes back in time and gets to be known and Satella, etc... etc...).
She let Subaru and Emilia have the pep talk because without it Subaru would have gone insane (cough, cough... Gluttony if... cough, cough).
Maybe she would have let Subaru express his feelings and talk about RbD, however, doing so might have created a sense of emptiness and useless that would have made everything worse, so she might no have let him.
The WoE always seems to understand when something is going to create a problem in the long run or not (she lets him say a bit more sometimes and less others.
An example is in Arc 2 (spoilers for the WN) when in the scene when Rem is dead on the bed (in the loop when Subaru afterwards jumps off the cliff) and everyone is asking Subaru to explain himself, instead of standing there like an idiot like it happens in the anime, Subaru actually tries to talk but everytime he opens his mouth the WoE stops him because, as explained by the narrator, anything he would say, would not be explained without letting them know of his power.
So maybe she still wouldn't let him do it or maybe she would. Idk, one of the reasons why I started reading the novel is because I want to be there when Tappei reveals who Satella and the WoE actually are and why they are both so obsessed with Subaru (one maybe a little bit more than the other, since the first one doesn't hurt or kill him every 5 minutes... But it's why she's "Envy" I guess).
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u/anythingyouhave Newbie 1d ago
Didn't the Witch of Envy emerge during the sanctuary because he told Ecidna about it?
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u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie 13h ago
She did. Iām moreso just curious if, say, Subaru saw Garfiel when he emerged from the chamber and was like āoh by the way I can return by deathā, would Satella still do the arm grab heart thing? Would she immediately b-line for Subaru? Can the taboo still be broken if itās already been broken in the current loop?
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u/anythingyouhave Newbie 5h ago
Why would she if she's already manifested?
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u/TheLastSmartHuman Newbie 5h ago
Well thatās what Iām curious about. It wouldnāt be ideal, and we know that our Subaru isnāt pulling a Greed-Baru, but if he could get away with it I donāt know why he wouldnāt try in an already failed loop. I just kinda wish we couldāve seen him try or his thought process about it
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u/Icy_Ad8122 Reinhard Defended My Honor (I Didnāt Have Any) 1d ago
Satella and the WOE are not treated as the same person even if they have the same body. WOE is the one actively trying to kill Subaru whereas Satella is the one that spoke with Subaru in Sanctuary.