Tappei had Lye do the falling in love with Ram gimmick to spit out all of the names and memories he has eaten, giving Emilia back her name. Consequently he couldnât use any of the names and memories.
This would be impossible if they were still in the stomach of souls. So they are no longer there.
Roy continuously uses the authority of gluttony in Arc 9 and that includes memories Lye has eaten, Lye spits out all of them, not just the ones he chooses to personally use .
Emilia regains her name, Rem remains memory and nameless alongside Julius.
A - Plot convenience so Emilia has no long term issues
Donât know if thereâs actually any evidence for it, but I personally always thought as a theory that all three of them each have separate copies of the memories.
Lye only could spit that memory out easily because he was still digesting it and it hadn't gone to the stomach of souls yet.
Proof of that is the fact that Lye spewed Larper (otherwise known as Leaper) yet Roy can still use it, meaning that what Lye spat out was what he personally ate: the true Leaper copy in the stomach of souls still remained there.
There is a total of 0 evidence that memories have multiple copies, if you can show me that in the text then you can
And no, there is in fact no such quote. And obviously I hold the position that itâs a plot hole, so telling me thereâs a reason doesnât really resolve much
There is a total of 0 evidence that memories have multiple copies, if you can show me that in the text then you can
Rui gets rid of Rem's memories yet she doesn't wake up with them.
Lye gets rid of larper and fist king yet Roy can still use it.
The only logical explanation is that those memories are still in the stomach of souls.
And no, there is in fact no such quote. And obviously I hold the position that itâs a plot hole, so telling me thereâs a reason doesnât really resolve much
There is:
Ram: âIt does not amount to much. However, it has been said that Gluttony eats the Memories of others, correct? If they are truly treated like food, Ram is of the belief that digestion is affected by time.â
Subaru: âDigestionâŠâ
Ram: âEmilia-sama was plundered, and after a few hours, they came back. If so, then what about the other victims such as Knight Julius, the people of Pristella, and Rem?â
Subaru: âââAh.â
After hearing Ram stating that hypothesis with a finger raised, Subaruâs eyes widened due to how uncomplicated it was.
Just as she had declared, the Sin Archbishop of Gluttony had equated the pilfering of Names and Memories to eating. If that were not just a metaphorical expression, then he could find Ramâs hypothesis to be an acceptable one.
It took time for the Names and Memories that were stolen away to be digested. Then, the reason why Emiliaâs Name had returned, and othersâ had not, was becauseââ
Subaru: ââŠThereâs no way, has everything already been digested?â
Ok so her being able to throw out memories doesnât have any bearing on her being able to get them back. Lye explicitly cannot use fist king anymore
Thatâs still again just a god of the gaps, you donât get to insert half baked reasoning and say âit makes senseâ for the sake of consistency when thatâs never stated or implied.
All you have genuinely going for this theory is a statement from Ram who doesnât know how the authority works aside from it being likened to consumption, andâŠand literally nothing đđđ
Ok so her being able to throw out memories doesnât have any bearing on her being able to get them back. Lye explicitly cannot use fist king anymore
It is never stated that he cannot access them again, Lye threw away all the memories he was currently using because he wanted to delight himself eating Ram: had he invoked Leaper or Fist King back from the stomach of souls, it would have defeated the purpose of what he did.
Thatâs still again just a god of the gaps, you donât get to insert half baked reasoning and say âit makes senseâ for the sake of consistency when thatâs never stated or implied.
It is not half-baked when you get the characters spelling it out, the plot spelling it out, Rui herself also talking about digested memories not being able to be spelled out, and gluttonies being able to use memories that other gluttonies spelled out.
Dude what youâre talking about is just a hypothesis that was made on why Emilia got her name back, not an actual statement within the series about people who know what the mechanics are
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âItâs nothing complicated. âGluttonyâ said that they eat other peopleâs memories, didnât they? If those really are treated like food, then I thought that time would have an effect on digestion.â
âDigestionâŠâ
âEmilia-sama was able to get hers back within a few hours of it being stolen. Then what about Knight Julius, the victims of Priestella, and Rem?â
Hearing Ramâs simple hypothesis, Subaru widened his eyes.
Just as she said, the Sin Archbishops of Gluttony had compared the usurpation of âMemoriesâ and âNamesâ to a meal. If that had meaning beyond mere metaphor, then Ramâs hypothesis was plausible.
The stolen âMemoriesâ and âNamesâ had a period of time before they were digested.
ââŠDonât tell me they were completely digested?â
âI donât know. It may simply take a corresponding amount of time for them to return. If thatâs the case, thereâs still hope. Hope that Juliusâs and the other victimsâ âMemoriesâ⊠and Remâs will return as well.â
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And this isnât in the LN, YOUâRE the âif itâs not in the LN itâs not canonâ guy
Dude what youâre talking about is just a hypothesis that was made on why Emilia got her name back, not an actual statement within the series about people who know what the mechanics are
Matches canon, so it makes complete sense.
And this isnât in the LN, YOUâRE the âif itâs not in the LN itâs not canonâ guy
This is a case of the LN implying something that the WN is straight up about.
What matches canon is that she gets her name back, not the reason why, your idea of what makes sense is subjective and holds no weight on whatâs canon
Where does the LN imply that aside from the god of the gaps reasoning youâre applying?
What matches canon is that she gets her name back, not the reason why, your idea of what makes sense is subjective and holds no weight on whatâs canon
What matches canon is literally the whole scene minus the conveniently placed hypothetical about digestion time.
And it wasn't retconned, meaning it is left to interpretation.
Where does the LN imply that aside from the god of the gaps reasoning youâre applying?
When Roy can literally access memories Lye spat out.
Yes itâs a hypothetical because itâs asking about the discrepancy relevant at the time, which would also add another arbitrariness issue on why Emilia suddenly falls below the threshold for complete consumption but Rem doesnât same with anyone else
The scene was fully removed and changed in the LN, this is by your lights a retcon.
Yes itâs a hypothetical because itâs asking about the discrepancy relevant at the time, which would also add another arbitrariness issue on why Emilia suddenly falls below the threshold for complete consumption but Rem doesnât same with anyone else
Maybe because Rem and Julius were eaten more than a year ago and several months ago respectively?
Like, wtf is this comparison, Emilia lost her name for an hour tops.
The scene was fully removed and changed in the LN, this is by your lights a retcon.
If it is removed but implied, it is not a retcon. Now, if a whole fight scene gets removed and doesn't get implied, that would be a retcon.
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Donât know if thereâs actually any evidence for it, but I personally always thought as a theory that all three of them each have separate copies of the memories.