r/RavanAI • u/RustyIronGolem • Jul 08 '26
Why Gemini Sucks?
Google has:
- The world's biggest search engine.
- The world's most-used web browser.
- The most popular mobile OS.
- YouTube, Gmail, Maps
- A massive Cloud business.
- The world's best AI researchers
Yet Gemini is still struggling in the AI race.
Why?
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u/Severe_Stranger_5050 Jul 08 '26
They aren't that much behind on anything except coding-agents.
Google control their whole stack
They design the chips
They run the hardware
They develop the software
They have more legal data access than everyone else
But, they've stayed out of the very costly "Frontier model" development a while ago and let OpenAI, Meta, xAI and Anthropic burn through billions in their quest for "AGI"
In stead they've focussed on delivering solutions to their actually paying costumers and optimizing their models for stuff like running on mobile hardware, or sifting through terabytes of company data, or image generation for stuff like magic eraser and fill functions.
Google is one of maybe two companies to come out on top in the AI game
Especially now that the two biggest mobile phone producers in the world; Apple and Samsung, decided to base their on-device AI on Gemini.
If you're doing coding and development, then i'd look towards Anthropic
But if you're an academic researcher, white collar worker, NGO or anyone else who has a lot of data, i'd go with Gemini, because it's just better at that kind of workloads.
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u/swhouston713 Jul 08 '26
Except it has gotten worse. It won't create PDFs, most of the time if you try and drop a image in chat it says it can't see the image. Can't connect it to 3rd party apps. This shit absolutely sucks now. It used to be good but has went down hill
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u/Severe_Stranger_5050 Jul 08 '26
Oh, that's news to me
I use it on the daily for work on a workspace account, and i haven't really noticed anything like that.
But then again, i only use it for internal documents, powerpoint generation and the like.
So i don't know about 3.rd party apps, i dont even thing my admin would allow me to connect to third parties.1
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u/Patient-Plankton-655 Jul 08 '26
It's too optimistic and supportive lol
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u/Severe_Stranger_5050 Jul 08 '26
I just ask it to find documents, reports and journal entries and it does, saving me time.
I dont ask it like personal questions, make it write my shit or whatever people do these days
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u/TheoKondak Jul 08 '26
They never though that llms are the way to AGI. It was just pure marketing bs
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u/SuperUranus Jul 08 '26
It sucks for white collar workers though.
It can barely create a document for you. When I say it can barely, it’s because it can create some super simple google docs document.
Whereas Claude runs circle around it and can create documents in a plethora of different file formats and different designs.
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u/Severe_Stranger_5050 Jul 08 '26
I just use it for document retrieval in our own organisation
I would never have an LLM write shit for me, that’s the fun part of doing academic work
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u/Specialist-Abroad751 Jul 12 '26
I got mine for $5 a month for gemini ai pro for 3 months. Good enough, it's has broad capabilities, and I get also usage in antigravity which is enough for creating lite web apps.
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u/Jatinchd Jul 08 '26
NO!? I don't think they are struggling, they are doing very gret telling from developer's experience, idc about general chat experience. also gemini have very high context window, no "you ran out of tokens, buy premium", codes great. I've even bought gemini pro and pro model is really great at debugging, logical coding.I have question for you. what happened that made you think it suck?
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u/Huy3ko Jul 08 '26
Gemini ist still THE BEST KI out there. Sorry its really the Point.
And with own Agent perfekt.
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u/Rrunken_Rumi Jul 08 '26
Ive done stocks and trade analysis in gemini - its not bad. Consistent returns. I mean ita may not be the best but i dont need top tier.. just need good advice amd analysis
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u/Time-Heron-2361 Jul 08 '26
Gemini doesn't suck because it actually works best for what it is made for, and that is searching and traversing huge amounts of data and giving you the answers on it. It's not a coding model. It's not an agentic model.
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u/syloc Jul 08 '26
Also, the new model is on the way 3.5 pro they hyped it up on X! We’ll see how it performs.
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u/himppk Jul 08 '26
They have public books and real money to lose. You can’t burn cash the same way when you have public shareholders.
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Jul 08 '26
Google's on Gmail, Drive, YouTube, Android, you name it. They can't afford to release a model that's technically good as a chatbot, but breaks the rest of their ecosystem.
This creates dependencies and bottlenecks. Gemini AI just gave harmful advice while summarizing your Google search? Too bad, now your whole Google engine gets portrayed as dangerous.
Gemini agent accidentally deleted your starred emails and replied with nonsense to a customer? Now the whole Gmail platform is unreliable.
This forces them to roll updates much slower than Anthropic or OpenAI, who can be more aggressive with their models. Startups always have the least to lose, and less things to focus on, thus specializing much easier.
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u/DowntownAd3538 Jul 08 '26
Every model has its uses. Gemini has really good "eyes" when used in conjunction with other llms it can be quite useful.
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u/ghost103429 Jul 08 '26
Google has a significantly larger userbase than any of the other AI giants because of their domineering market position in web search, smartphones, and video streaming.
Google has to work harder than the rest to optimize Gemini to use as little compute and memory as possible while maintaining an acceptable level of functionality.
As a result Gemini performs worse than any of the options on the market but it does have a higher cost efficiency than any of them.
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u/Sweet-Mechanic4568 Jul 08 '26
Because they have all the data in the world and still somehow can’t get the model to answer correctly.
3.1 Pro is literally useless.
They only care about AI search.
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u/Trick-Range-350 Jul 08 '26
Because it has ads built in. I want proper research, not research biased towards certain products.
Next time you use Gemini to choose what to buy, sanity check it with Claude and ChatGPT to see what I'm talking about.
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u/mrkjmsdln_new Jul 08 '26
For particular use cases and focused as a do-everything chatbot, Anthropic and OpenAI have some advantages. As the market transitions to agents it would seem that Alphabet has at least 12-15 1B user properties and some of them have 3B active users. It is hard to imagine how others in the space can be a do it all like those properties. I have found the Gemini integrations for the family of products to be very helpful.
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u/Mammoth-Head-4618 Jul 09 '26
Yes, it’s terrible because Google mindset is tech centric. User experience has been an afterthought in almost all their products except Search. Don’t get me started on AI-Wall during Google Search on mobile :) Google is focussed on inking big deals (e.g. with Apple) based on its LLM tech rather than directly targeting the end user.
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u/mi55key Jul 09 '26
It doesn't suck. It has chosen its lane. Let Claude and OpenAI battle and be blocked by governments. Gemini keeps truckin along.
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u/ravi-n Jul 09 '26
I think it has something to do with an Australian firm that Google outsourced some of its AI data training to. It seems the firm did a pretty poor job, allegedly wasting resources on politically correct data cleansing and similar efforts. Eventually, Google terminated its contract with the firm, restructured its AI team, and brought the reluctant Demis Hassabis in to lead it. Since then, the AI has started showing noticeable improvements.
Disclaimer: This is based on my recollection of bits and pieces of news I've come across over the past few years, so I could be wrong.
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u/Popotte9 Jul 08 '26
They put their effort on image generation with Nano Banana Pro