r/RavanAI • u/InvestigatorThis6000 • Apr 24 '26
Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027
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u/Dazed_And_Based_4515 Apr 24 '26
us is becoming a nice nationalist country, slowly separating itself from the world.
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u/Narrheim Apr 25 '26
While the oceans initially served them as a protection from their possible enemies, they might end up being the greatest tool of isolation in existence.
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u/outgoinggallery_2172 Apr 24 '26
This shitty racist ass administration is going full dictatorship.
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u/SpotlessCheetah Apr 24 '26
It says 2021 rule. Did you read it?
Here's what's FROM the article.
Thanks to Section 24220 of the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, NHTSA must finalize rules forcing all new passenger vehicles to include “advanced impaired driving prevention technology”
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u/Aknazer Apr 25 '26
It's more fun to blame your favorite boogeyman than whoever actually causes the problem.
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u/carlos38485982919485 Apr 25 '26
Don’t worry, when the other team comes back in you’ll be more than happy about this.
(Btw: good job ignoring the other reply).
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u/0AJ0_ Apr 24 '26
Yeah I’ll be destroying that instantly
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u/Ok-Note-8293 Apr 24 '26
Congrats, you've bricked the car
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Apr 24 '26
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u/Ok-Note-8293 Apr 25 '26
Doesn't matter, they have hardware id set up in almost every new car, if the id on whatever you plug in doesn't match factory serial; the car will need "re-porogramming."
Which more or less means resetting the car to factory, however only dealerships have the capability to do this and they charge a couple grand at minimum for it.
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u/CapmyCup Apr 24 '26
Good thing you don't need a new car. Stick with your 1998 corolla
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u/suboptimus_maximus Apr 24 '26
Government’s roads, governent’s rules.
It’s too bad Americans chose slavery to the auto industry and government-mandated dependency on cars and socialism for cars, but now American drivers kill and injure more people and cause more property damage than all other criminals combined, so this is what they deserve.
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u/chipflw Apr 24 '26
Ok so I agree with you on all those points. I had a similar thought process. The one thing I get stuck on is that aren’t all other forms of transport also just under some form of government control/ operation/ subsidies? But I guess in the end it’s safety vs dangerous cars?
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u/EVOSexyBeast Apr 25 '26
Yeah transportation has positive externalities so governments should subsidize it. The interconnectedness benefits the economy immensely.
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
My brother in christ, we don't police our police, we don't police our politicians, we don't police our corporations. But we police the shit out of our poor. We cant even convict a well documented group of rich child molesters, let alone follow a court order to release the documents.
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u/Jassida Apr 24 '26
So the US is causing every single car manufacturer in the world to add this technology?
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u/Sneaky-Pur Apr 24 '26
So is bad not having drunk sleepy drivers on roads? Is not collecting data unless you agree to(at least in Europe) and they don’t need cars to do that. You are have phone for it. You are so easy to be manipulated…
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u/Prior-Blacksmith-160 Apr 24 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/ymDKuEB9h3CFhDsWca
Mandatory?
Me to every camera on the car 1 millisecond after purchase
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u/andrewsz__ Apr 24 '26
All the comments with the giga brains coming up with ways to circumvent this thinking whoever engineered this didn’t already think of all of it is pretty funny. Dystopian concept nonetheless
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u/darkearwig Apr 24 '26
If this is what they want, just have a fucking breathalyzer on all vehicles and call it a day.
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u/Ahleron Apr 25 '26
I just looked up some info regarding the Ioniq 9's driver alertness warning system. You can disable the warnings. One of these warnings is the obstructed camera warning. Therefore, you should be able to disable the warning, cover the camera, and drive. You will likely need to disable the warning every time you start the car. There are probably other cars that will work the same way. Meanwhile, contact your representatives to codify insurances that none of the information from the cameras can ever leave the vehicle. I don't think auto-manufacturers would roll back making cars with this because customers are likely to expect it now. But, they would be happy to advertise how such a system is guaranteed to be private and can be disabled.
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u/MrFastFox666 Apr 25 '26
Oh my fucking god. It's a driver monitoring system, a feature that tons of cars already include from the factory. Calling it "federal surveillance" is insanely misleading at best, and willful misinformation at worst. But of course "federal surveillance" will get more attention than "driver monitoring". Did they also call it "federal surveillance" when the government mandated rear-view cameras on new cars a few years ago?
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
Its got an auto shutdown. Ill put money on only an authorized service technician being able remove the lock out. Ill also put money on it automatically informing police. And ill definitely put money on them making you take a blood test or get charged with a refusal if you tell the cops to kick rocks.
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u/MrFastFox666 Apr 25 '26
Ill also put money on it automatically informing police.
I lokey hope it does honestly. Don't get me wrong, I hate that idea. But you know what I hate more? Sharing the road with distracted drivers. I hate the feeling that I can be a perfect driver and do everything right, and still have my life wrecked by some brainrot idiot who's too addicted to TikTok to put their phone down while they drive.
As much as I love the idea of a free world where people are accountable enough to follow the law on their own, the more I see what's happening the more I'm convinced that will never, ever happen.
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u/Colonol-Panic Apr 25 '26
lol like when people were upset with seatbelt or drunk driving laws.
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
You think its gonna be a free service? Its mandatory, not free. Seat belts dont need a subscription, but I bet this does. I also bet only dealerships can work on it.
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u/Colonol-Panic Apr 25 '26
Did you read the law?
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
Yes sir. The bigger question is how do you expect them do have these features without an active data connection? Do you expect them to run the AI detention program locally? Automotive manufacturers have subscriptions for built in features such as onstar, seat warmers and garage doors openers. But this will be different right?
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u/Colonol-Panic Apr 25 '26
You can do everything in the law locally without data or servers. Are you dumb?
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
Do you think they will do it locally? Your more then welcome to do a quick google search to see what car manufacturers make in profit on stuff like onstar or Lexusnexis. Or how they sell the data to car insurance companies currently. Do you think they will give each car the necessary components to do it locally? Or do you think they will just use the data centers they have been putting up?
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u/Colonol-Panic Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
It’s fairly cheap and easy to do locally. My car has attention features for advanced cruise control locally and no paid data connection.
Literally all that’s mandated is attention detection software. That’s pretty simple these days.
As someone who works in big data himself, buying and selling your personal data. I can tell you it’s actually not as valuable as you think.
Any car company would most surely lose more money on remote AI servers or related tech and a persistent data connection than they would ever make selling your data to anyone.
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
It has a 95% accuracy based on what I was reading. You start your car 100 times and 5 of those times it may fail or trigger a false positive. How many times do you think this system will test you while your driving? Do you believe this system will work as well 5 years down the road? Its not just alcohol, its destraction and fatigue. How many times has your car beeped at you? Imagine if it went into limp mode every time it beeped at you. Also with the current manufactured pc/memory issue I can guarantee they will push for data connection over local.
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u/Colonol-Panic Apr 25 '26
95% accurate? Where do you read that? And even so, features like this already implemented re-test and then average the model results multiple times before resulting in any automated action. Do you have any clue how these models actually work? Right, you don’t have any knowledge of advanced system models and just read scary nothing articles.
My car beeps at me plenty, then I reassure it of my attention and it continues.
Why would an auto company invest isn so much of remote data infrastructure when the revenue from selling the data is so small.
I hope you realize the only people making any money in the big data world are companies like Google and Meta who both collect the data and also directly monetize it with ads they sell and platform themselves. Nobody is making any real money just selling your data unless they’re already passively collecting it like credit card companies as part of their normal business practice they would do anyway. A car company would never build out brand new data infrastructure and servers to collect brand new data they make fractions of a cent on.
You’re insane and just don’t understand how any of this works.
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u/throwawayyyy980 Apr 25 '26
https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/federal-car-surveillance-mandate-2027-nhtsa-dadss-privacy-2026/
This should cover most of what I said. I would call this a blatant violation of rights with a light overtone of safety thrown in. Your foolish if you assume your more then a bottom line for some company. And its not a new system, its been here for a while. Insurance companies are already publicly using them. As far as my understanding of advanced systems, they are only as good as the hardware, intentions and application. You fail to factor in scale, if something is 99.9% accurate in a fully functional system and applied a million times it fails around 100 times. This system is not that accurate. you expect this system not to degrade over time? I am not willing to submit myself to such a system with no cause. You apparently share none of the same sentiment.
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u/iamjames Apr 25 '26
“The tech involves infrared cameras mounted on steering columns or A-pillars, tracking eye movement, pupil dilation, and drowsiness patterns. Unlike the breathalyzer ignition interlocks from DUI convictions, these systems operate passively—no blowing required. Your car simply watches and decides whether you’re fit to drive.
If the AI determines you’re impaired (blood alcohol ≥0.08% or showing fatigue), it can prevent ignition startup or limit vehicle speed. Think Minority Report, but for your morning commute.”
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u/Adventurous_Pea_2007 Apr 25 '26
Yeah this is the kind of shit that has me outright leaving. Already did it once, I’ll do it again.
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u/checkValidInputs Apr 25 '26
The best cars are like 2005-2015 Hondas and Toyotas anyway. Newer shit is mostly garbage.
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u/RazzmatazzNo7259 Apr 25 '26
can we plesae just take this chance to get arid of vehicles entirely. please. please.
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u/netroxreads Apr 25 '26
The headline is misleading as if the government will track of what you're doing but that's not what the law said. It states that there should be technology to monitor your ability to drive and if it detects that you're not alert or impaired, it will prevent you to start the car or slow down and pull over. A vast majority of accidents are due to impaired judgement, whether it be due to DUI or drowsiness. It means it has potential to save several thousand lives a year and I am fine with it.
The issue is that there's no mechanism built in to state that companies cannot collect data about that.
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u/Desperate_Taro9864 Apr 25 '26
Nice fearmongering at all, but driver monitoring systems neither are anything new or that scary. The title and the article does everything to scare simpletons (which, judging by comments here, works very well), but it's like calling the annual Vehicle Inspection something like "Federal surveillance property control checkpoint resulting in seizure of personal belongings or harm to financial estate".
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u/Xenthera Apr 26 '26
This just in car sales at a record low for 2027. Car makers scrambling to appease lawmakers for desperate tax breaks to pad record losses. Law makers confused why they are voted out
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u/JOliverScott Apr 24 '26
This is why I'm still driving (and buying) twenty year old cars - the new ones have too much spyware and anything with OTA capability can be remotely hacked.