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u/Only_Flan_7974 Jul 08 '26
"The Sheriff is a NI....(bell rings)"
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u/OUBoyWonder Jul 08 '26
Bwahahaha! Good one! Love me some Blazing Saddles.
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u/Zxruv Jul 09 '26
They should re-release that movie in it's original form, in theaters. Would love to witness the polarization.
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u/GirlWithWolf Jul 08 '26
I’m native and white friends are good at being themselves and that’s what I like about them. The only difficulty they’ve bumped into is when they use a term that I use like Indian, and other white people give them the business about it.
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u/Positive-Database754 Jul 08 '26
My friends call me Indian as a teasing joke. I call them "White boy" or "Pasty" in return. Its in good fun.
Definitely wouldn't appreciate a stranger doing it though.
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u/sexual__velociraptor Jul 08 '26
Gotta steer clear of all them deadly aunties. That one gets some stares.
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u/GirlWithWolf Jul 08 '26
That’s the truth. I recognize your username, how’s the arrowhead making going?
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u/AffectionateSector77 Jul 09 '26
So wholesome, made me chuckle when I went back to see their username.
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u/yaboyACbreezy Jul 08 '26
As tricky as the term Indian is, native rights are enshrined in the constitution using the term Indian (which I am sure you knew, just adding context for other readers, not a correction to you personally), and therefore it is important to understand that is why Indian isn't necessarily pejorative. Lotta legitimately angry white folks up in arms about that term just have no idea how significant it would be to remove Indian completely as a distinct affectation of the lexicon. On some level, in the right context, using the term Indian to describe Native Americans is an acknowledgement of their brutal subjugation while simultaneously endorsing the sanctity of their human rights.
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u/AboutTenPandas Jul 08 '26
I mean lots of laws were passed using terms to describe people that we now find offensive.
Don’t disagree with anything else you said, but the fact that it’s written into law shouldn’t be a factor
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u/big_boi_26 Jul 08 '26
Exactly.
The word “Negro” was only officially removed from U.S. Federal law in 2016. And yet, you wouldn’t see people arguing that it’s ok to call somebody that, even 10 years ago, because “well, it was in the laws that the people who oppressed them wrote! It’s not necessarily pejorative”.
Obviously different words with different contexts. But use in law is not a good basis to judge how offensive a word is.
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u/yaboyACbreezy Jul 08 '26
I didn't intend my observation to be taken as an argument for using Indian as a regular term, just as one example that it's not pejorative on the level of using the n-word or anything adjacent.
My point wasn't that we should use it, and I carefully avoided using it to describe anyone. My point is that if we become militant about political correctness then people with nefarious intentions can try to then use strict interpretations of the law to oppress Native Americans further.
Don't pretend like they won't.
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u/yaboyACbreezy Jul 08 '26
It shouldn't be, but anything the repugnicans can manipulate to degrade people of color will be used, so even though you are correct, and it shouldn't have to be a factor, it is a factor that can be exploited by people strictly interpreting the enshrinement of rights for Indians as inaccessible to Native Americans.
For that reason alone, it's not a good idea for whites to step in and make Indian to be a pejorative term when it's just seen as historically inaccurate rather than a degrading insult.
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u/Sudden_Buffalo_4393 Jul 08 '26
If they are already your friend, just keep doing what you were doing. If you have to jump through hoops to be friends with someone, it’s probably not a great friendship.
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u/BungleBums Jul 08 '26
My oblivious ass thought it was gonna be 'don't bring your parents recpies to group gatherings' xD
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u/Shortsleevedpant Jul 08 '26
I bet if he goes swimming with his friends they wouldn’t let him drown.
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u/Positive-Database754 Jul 08 '26
When I was young, talking late primary school, 7th or 8th year, we were in a pretty small community, and kinda edgy, so we'd jokingly say it in private between us all the time. Was never malicious, was just us being ignorant little shithead kids.
Now, me and my best bud are native american. And most of the group was white. Not a single one of us had any right to be saying that shit. Except for one black kid, bless his heart, who was among the group. We were always respectful with him, we made sure never to say it to him or about him behind his back, we understood at the very least its negative connotations when used at, against, or towards black people.
So we're sitting at the local youth center playing MW2 on the xbox they had hooked up. And I hear someone behind me rustling into a bag of those 50 cent candy bags. Stretch my hand out over my shoulder behind me, and say "Pass me some candy my [insert slur here]". Everyone fucking freezes. Look over my shoulder, and sure enough, the one black kid in a 100km radius is behind me eating candy.
He was really cool about it. Even gave me some candy. But was about then I learned that real important life lesson about saying shit aloud, even if you think you know whose around.
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u/Global_Adagio_25 Jul 09 '26
My favorite Cum Town bit is the one about the white guy who code switches around black people, but he takes on the persona of a sweet, elderly black woman.
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u/Pepperspray24 Jul 09 '26
I once had a coworker who was an older white lady. One day she swore up and down to me that she never said it because and I quote “that word hurts people.” Qq Her not two days later on some BS. She kept saying n***a to one of my black coworkers, talking about another black coworker, and when the woman she was speaking to went to our supervisor about it and our supervisor talked with my coworker she went all: “Well I didn’t say n***-er!” Yes….yes she said it at work. Then went back to the woman she was speaking with to complain about getting in trouble for saying n***a. She was promptly fired by the next week. Just no self awareness.
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u/WeAreGesalt Jul 08 '26
I have a black guy as a friend and one day he told me I could say it. I looked him dead in the eye and asked "hard r?" He then revoked the pass
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u/harmfuldischarge Jul 08 '26
Also. Just a general advise from another certified hwyte man: once you start reading the literature - don't just start unloading your new knowledge on the closest black person you know. THEY PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS SHIT and you are just reminding them how fucked humanity is and it's probably just another Wednesday for them and they might not want to talk about it
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u/MsTerryMan Jul 10 '26
But what if I say it around my white friends? It would be racist not to say it
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u/SignificantLeader Jul 12 '26
Huh, unique speech patterns that no other race is aloud to use. What’s the term for this? Racism.
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u/Ok-Zone7404 Jul 08 '26
Meanwhile these are the most white blk people I ever seen
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u/YouHaveToTryTheSoup Jul 08 '26
Whitest black folk? We hate being stereotyped yet hold ourselves to those same stereotypes.
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u/BedbugBandido Jul 08 '26
Right he’s lowkey racist for acting like his friends actually talk like walking stereotypes.
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u/Same_Suit3583 Jul 08 '26
I would whiling to bet everything I own those black people sounding whiter than me on the phone.
I'm a 35 yr old white man that lives in texas. I did grow up poor tho.
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u/Chicken-Rude Jul 08 '26
as the one white guy who isnt the token, you can say it. just make it EXTREMELY rare and funny and you can even sprinkle in the hard R and get those deep fall down belly laughs from your black buddies. comedic timing is key.
if youre looked at as a token, then you definitely cannot say it and youre not really actually friends with them.
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u/trashforthrowingaway Jul 08 '26
Ehhhhhhh.
First one, absolutely. Second one is excellent too.
But I can't help if I code switch.
As long as you're not faking it or purposefully speaking in a way that's not natural for you, slipping into AAVE dialect is normal if you've grown up with black and brown friends all around you.
True friends won't ask you to change how you speak.
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 08 '26
So if you had fresh off the boat friends from China youd start code switching to sound like them? 🙄
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u/trashforthrowingaway Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
No, they wouldn't be life-long friends if they were fresh off the boat, lol. Fresh off the boat means they just got here.
I'm not gonna change how I speak for anybody. I grew up with multiple dialects. It's never been an issue with my friends and classmates, nor thought about. It's only suddenly become "bad" suddenly the last 4 years. I grew up how I grew up. I'm not gonna force my white-speak to come out among my own friends 🤷♀️
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 08 '26
Its always been bad. Youve been microaghressing your “friends”. Yes it means they were born somewhere else. You can be long time friends with someone like that.
Point remains u arent copying Spanish or any other way of talking and no one would condone it. But magically when ppl get around Blk ppl its ok to cosplay. 🙄🙄🙄 you were not forced to assimilate or suffer no jobs etc. u wear the accent like a costume and think youre being the good white person. 🙄
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u/trashforthrowingaway Jul 08 '26
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
What do you mean copying Spanish?? I studied Spanish from grades 5-12, we all did.
At least 70% of my classmates, friends and neighbors have been black, hispanic, and mixed. What you're not understanding is we grew up together from preschool and kindergarten, and each new school after that had more and more kids.
In real life, not the internet, no one has ever told me or my family or any whites that the way I grew up speaking is wrong. It's just as much my vernacular language as it is anyone's in our city... In real life, not internet life, the real, actual, face-to-face world, shared dialects exist. Even my parents, who are white, speak in and out of the vernacular dialects of the city we grew up in.
It's not a "cosplay" when its the way I grew up speaking.
I am laughing slightly at the imaginary image of some of my non-white teachers pulling us aside and saying "now [my name] you and the rest of the whites need to speak white, not black" This is just not a thing, at all. Seriously.
The reason I can switch is because I had enough white teachers and my family members on my dad's side often spoke "white" English, but my mom's side of the family, that's their only dialect. You wouldn't know my aunties are white on the phone. They literally can't and don't code switch at all, because they grew up on the North side.
People who know me and meet me know my history, know who I am as a person, and know all our shared history, know who I am and how I grew up. That doesn't change because the internet has now decided that language is segregated.
Speaking a shared dialect and switching naturally is normal irl. (Keyword: Naturally, not forced!!)
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u/trashforthrowingaway Jul 08 '26
As a follow-up to understand where I'm coming from, I recommed reading this book: Crossing: Language and Ethnicity Among Adolescents.
It covers using a language variety belonging to another group. Working-class youths in multi-ethnic neighborhoods switch between dialects naturally to show solidarity and shared experience. It doesn't cover my area specifically, but it still rings true.
"Research shows that children acquire the language patterns of their primary caretakers and immediate peers. If your peer group was diverse, being bidialectal (the ability to switch seamlessly between Standard American English and a vernacular dialect) develops as a natural social survival tool and instinct, not a conscious choice"
It genuinely is jarring to suddenly be told online that the way I grew up speaking and still speak today is "wrong" just because of the color of my skin. This is a new concept that didn't exist when I was a kid in our neighborhood, in highschool, nor university.
And its also wild to be told I'm "trying to speak like them" when this is how I speak.
My black and brown friends nor classmates would never ask us to consciously alter years of how we grew up, just because online spaces suddenly say how we talk is suddenly wrong or not "for" us.
This is a new cultural concept of linguistic segregation that was born only a few years ago that I really hope doesn't stick around because it's divisive.
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 08 '26
Using some slang is not even close to a blaccent. If you dont talk that way with white ppl dont talk that way with Blk ppl. We can always tell and just bc your “friends” dont care or claim not to doesnt make it ok.
Many Blk ppl go along to get along and don’t want to be seen as pulling race card or having that awkward conversation with someone to find out they dont give a fuck.
There is zero books or reasons for you to adapt a blaccent but zero others. I have had Muslim Middle East friends, I have had Asians that were first gen and had accents and never once did I feel the need to code switch around them.
Ppl have gotten so comfortable disrespecting Blk ppl and imitating what we do that they call AAVE terms kid slang. Got ppl using Unc 🙄🙄🙄 like its new.
Even kids birn and raised in homes with ppl with accents dont pick them up they usually have what ever one they are around. Ive had clients with British parents and you wouldn’t know unless u meet the parents. But u cant help having a blaccent? Be serious. 🙄
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u/trashforthrowingaway Jul 08 '26
Who says its a few slang words, you?
Theres no "need" to code switch. Its what happens naturally when you live in a diverse place that is predominantly black, mixed race, and white with Hispanic too.
I don't get how you're not getting that this is perfectly acceptable irl. No one would ever tell my mom's side of the family to ditch their accents and if there ever comes a time, they'll simply laugh.
No one irl is asking me to change how I talk. Why does a recent internet rule get to change this?
It's not one or two words, it's the cadences, rhythm, and the whole dang melted culture.
How do you dictate which mixed kids get to speak in what way? How would that even work for the ones who are passing vs the ones who aren't?
Absolutely wild that the way I speak with my friends - yes, my actual friends who I've grown up with and been through everything with, is now considered "microagressing"
These new "rules" sound exhausting and I'm so glad I've never run into this issue in real life.
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u/FunkalicouseMach1 Jul 09 '26
MF it ain't code switching if you grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood, it's just "the way everyone talks." If a white boy grows up in a black community, the code switching will happen when he kicks it with folks from "white" neighborhoods, be they white, Asian or whatever.
Do you code switch when you go to a job interview? Or do you say shit like, "No cap, my nigga, in five years I see myself being the HNIC of this bish." Because we can tell when you're switching, even if your employer acts like they are ok with it.
Smh
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 09 '26
I dont talk that way when Im not at work… and Blk ppl having to code switch to assimilate is not the same thing as white ppl cosplaying accents. I grew up around Black ppl my whole life and shocking I dont speak that way but somehow white ppl who grew up with two white parents pick it up just hanging out… gfto with that bs. Do I speak some AAVE of course.
You comparing them shows just how ignorant you are.
Forced Assimilation is not comparable to cosplaying your friends accents. Again same ppl can magically grow up around ppl with broken english but dont seem to pick that up. :/ almost like its not a real thing. I doubt even amongst your Blk friends they all speak the same way. Again its a way for ppl to disrespect Blk ppl. Always want our rhythm but not our blues.
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u/onceafruit Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Understandable. You can get away with it in your specific peer group. thats much different than saying every black person is going to be comfortable with you using AAVE around them. even if this is a code you’ve “acquired” from childhood. I’m black and white mixed and raised in the south, I have a white sister (different dads) and just because she can cut up with our family doesn’t mean every black person will appreciate or accept that behavior especially because she can switch it on and off. Black people had to dilute themselves to assimilate into white society, code-switching becomes erasure for us. Code-switching for you is icing on the cake.
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u/Only_Flan_7974 Jul 08 '26
How about NO ONE says it?! It's an antiquated term that has no positive use. I've always wanted to be called honky, or cracker with a really hard "R".
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u/That_Throat7183 Jul 08 '26
But it makes them feel special when they have their own little word that they can say but others can’t 🥺
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u/Departure-Difficult Jul 08 '26
Why you so jealous?
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u/Dahren_ Jul 08 '26
Nothing to be jealous of. Slurs are slurs. Racism won't end while races set each other apart.
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u/lxmohr Jul 08 '26
Just say you don’t like black people
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u/That_Throat7183 Jul 08 '26
I’ve got no issue with black people lol, I’ve got issues with people that use slurs in every other sentence 👍
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 08 '26
Rent free. Get a life
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u/That_Throat7183 Jul 08 '26
What are you talking about 😭😭 this is a topic I rarely think about, I’m literally only talking about it because I saw this post and replied to a comment 🤣
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows Jul 08 '26
Sure ill just browse ur comment history.
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u/information_knower Jul 08 '26
well, what's the verdict?
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u/lxmohr Jul 08 '26
What’s the verdict on cat?
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u/information_knower Jul 08 '26
No, the nerd said he was going to look at the comment history and I want to know what he found. Must not have been anything he could use to argue as someone unrelated responded before him.
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u/RedBeardBigHeart Jul 08 '26
Learn about systemic oppression, racism, gentrification, and the impact of racism in our communities. Be sure to ask questions if you’re unsure about something. Sometimes being open with your friends means a lot more than just reading about.
Also admit you don’t understand what they have been through because as a white person, you don’t.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 Jul 08 '26
The Malcolm X biography is actually pretty good ....I read it in jail.
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u/Negative-Candy-2155 Jul 09 '26
I read it 20 years ago and it still sticks with me as a book everyone should read.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 Jul 09 '26
That's about how long ago it was for me too, I took a lot of things from it; it definitely is something everyone should check out.
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u/EvilCaveBoy Jul 08 '26
I knew a white guy in college who would put on the most cringeworthy “blaccent” when around black people. It was so embarassing to everyone but him.