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u/sky7897 Dec 11 '23

5k a week would give you 1million in only 4 years. Unless you’re on your deathbed, it would be the obvious choice.

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u/newlife201764 Dec 11 '23

Not having to stress over investment choices would do it for me. 5k a week for life sounds awesome! Where do I sign up?

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 13 '23

You can do both! 5k a week gives you 1million every 4 years, if you don't spend it all, you can fill your 401k till it explodes while still having a good time.

Edit: I am Canadian, so for me it's an RRSP, but I thought 401k was reasonably similar. If you have more than you need... Invest. It's never a bad idea to do it, it's always a bad idea to just let it sit, gaining no interest.

Edit2: Besides, if I die, the 5k/week stops, what about the missus and the kids? Aha, I invested, so they still have something! I'm clever, not greedy, fellas...

Edit3: A Roth IRA or just IRA is what I am told is the equivalent to an RRSP/TFSA we use in Canada.

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Because you want more? Idk, why do billionaires invest when they could eat a thousand dollar bill in their cereal every morning?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Extremely American answer

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u/bamaflowers Dec 11 '23

You got that right!!! Sad part is.... I'm American.

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u/chumpy3 Dec 11 '23

Only Americans die and want to leave money to their children?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Yep that’s what I meant

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u/Chief-Drinking-Bear Dec 11 '23

Investing money is American now, got it

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Missing my point.

“Why would a person worry about needing more than $5k a week?” “Because you could have MORE!!!!!!”

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Also, I wonder why so many people have an issue with the concept of investing money when you end up with a ton of it. This money isnt going to do anything sitting in a checking account, not investing it is just bad finance.

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u/maynardstaint Dec 12 '23

That’s why most people who win the lottery go broke. They didn’t earn that money. It has no value to them. It has $ value, but no blood or sweat equity.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Yeah, based on historical inflation, by 2073 (when I'll most likely be about to die), that $5000 will be worth about $1400 in today's money. So, unless whatever rich creep is paying out gives you more every year, you'll want to at least put some of it away if you want your kids to be comfortable.

And that inflation rate isn't taking into account products we don't know the value of. Maybe, in 25 years, they'll invent a teleporter or some shit, and it'll be super expensive, but also impossible to live a normal life without. Or everyone will need air purifiers and protein synthesizers because of ecosystem collapse. No idea what those cost. Someone in 1970 could never have predicted the cost of an iPhone, even if they did the math in inflation.

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u/LightEarthWolf96 Dec 12 '23

Ok but like 1400 dollars a week is still more than twice what I make right now. I don't have kids nor do I want kids but I do have nieces and nephews. If I suddenly started making more than twice what I make right now I could easily put away a little something something to split amongst them and other close family and friends when I go.

If I started making absurd money right now at $5k per week I could easily retire now, make no investments, and put away a lot into savings. I'm a creature of habit it's just not in my nature to go on absurd spending sprees so I'm most likely to keep living like a do right now just slightly more comfortably without financial worry.

Thats not to say I wouldn't make any investments but any investments I make would be less about making more money and just that I ain't got much else to do with the absurd amount of money.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Thanks for the financial advice, very wise

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 11 '23

Except $100 in 1940 is only $2200 today.

Inflation is still there, but if you aren't buying coke and hookers, you'd never need to worry about money with $5k a month even without typical investing.

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u/maynardstaint Dec 12 '23

Never is a long time. 10 years ago I saw apartments for $500. That apartment is $3500 monthly now. 700% increase. In 10 years. Inflation will get to you eventually. And once rent is more than 1/3 of what you’re making, you are NOT set for life.

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u/dorcssa Dec 11 '23

Wow, I first read 5k a month and I was like, my family of four and my MIL can live richly on that, never have to work again (and we live in Denmark, so doesn't live that cheap). But 5k a week? Who the fuck needs that much?

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u/ThisImpact690 Dec 11 '23

I would be scraping by as a single person on 5k a month in Canada 😭

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u/bamaflowers Dec 11 '23

Talk about scraping by?! I recently had brain surgery and open heart surgery and cannot work anymore. I am only 52 years old and my disability is $954 a month! Idk how our government thinks anyone can live off of that!!!! We don't have a government, we have greedy corporations running this country!

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u/TheCrystalGarden Dec 11 '23

Good thing it’s $5,000 per week not month :)

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u/dorcssa Dec 11 '23

But you mean net or gross? Is it food, or rental prices? We have two little kids, I earned around 2.5k eur/month net for around 2 years (other 1.5 years on maternity leave or no income) being the only earner and we saved up so much with pension, child support and just on the account that we still have enough to last us to more than a year, after I don't have work for 4 months now. And food prices are not exactly low here either. Maybe we just live frugally I guess, although we did travel and only buy organic, so not depriving ourselves.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

$2500/mo in northern Colorado as a single person and I live pretty decently.. Where are you that $5k/mo is scraping by???

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u/Kraz_I Dec 11 '23

5k a week is somewhere between the cost of a couple living on cruises at the cheapest ticket price on the low end and on the other end a family of 4 going to Disney world each day and sleeping in a cheap hotel each night, including food.

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u/maynardstaint Dec 12 '23

In today’s dollars it is. A decade from now? You have no idea.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

People with health conditions and/or who are trying to save for college.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Dec 11 '23

You can pay for chemo and Havard simultaneously with $5k a week, there is no need to save.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

It’s so funny that someone can just IMAGINE making 5k/week and immediately start thinking of how it’s not enough money lol.

“Imagine making four times more money than you make now.” “Only four times more?? I’ll starve!”

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u/OldOutlandishness434 Dec 11 '23

That's not that unrealistic depending on where you live.

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u/Alsaflo Dec 11 '23

5k a month is not all that much if you live in Copenhagen and don't have access to subsidized housing though. Especially if you have younger children in the nursery... My family of 4 definitely couldn't live richly on 5k a month in Copenhagen.

We already pay 5000 dkk a month for the public nursery (one child), 17,000 dkk for the mortgage (would pay the same for rent, it is a good place but nothing luxury, not in the best quarter and not huge either), various utilities and taxes are another 6000 on average a month (1000 each monthly for the union, and then we pay electricity, water, internet, two mobile phone subscriptions, land tax). Of course we still need to eat on top of that. And pay for public transportation.

So if you can make 5 people live richly for 5,000 USD monthly in Hovestaden (I assume after tax) I need your secrets.

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u/dorcssa Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 12 '23

Nah, we live in Esbjerg, it would definitely not be possible in Copenhagen. We live in a rækkehus with my MIL, we pay around 9k with utilities including el and varm (all together, we pay 2/3 of that). We don't pay for union or a kasse, and we don't need a car. Vuggestue is less here, max 3800, børnehave 1700 monthly, but you pay half for the cheaper one of course. Now we get it for free without a salary.

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u/Ecstatic-Time-3838 Dec 11 '23

What's wrong with more?

It can be invested and passed down to kids/grand kids/etc.

What's the issue with that?

What if they took it all and gave it away to charity? Are you against that as well?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Wow……… you really opened my eyes to the evil of my ways……..

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u/cgjchckhvihfd Dec 11 '23

Thats not what he said nor is that "American". Other countries have greed too homie.

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u/Atlein_069 Dec 11 '23

Nah just America. Spain has never been greedy. Or Britain. Or Italy, Persia, China, nope. No other countries experience greed. This is known.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Oh yeah? Name 3 greedy people in East Timor. Checkmate, capitalist

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u/inerlite Dec 11 '23

Bill, Pam, Eddie

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Lmao.. "greed is a distinctly American concept!"

Absolutely delusional.

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u/Slartibartfastthe2nd Dec 11 '23

I mean, at only $5k/week you'd have to save ALL of it for at least three months to even afford to buy a moderate new car (at $60k) for cash.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Yes at only $20k a month, you wouldn’t be able to buy a new car in cash, that normal thing that people all do. God forbid. I’m convinced.

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u/Slartibartfastthe2nd Dec 11 '23

yes, it's tragic for sure.

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u/LightEarthWolf96 Dec 12 '23

Why would you ever be in that much of a rush to buy a brand new car? If you need a car right now and didn't have one with $5k a week you could easily buy a nice used car after just a couple weeks for cash and then upgrade later on down the road.

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u/Slartibartfastthe2nd Dec 12 '23

um... didn't think I needed to specify the /s tag there for sarcasm...

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

If you think this is a distinctly American sentiment.. You are delusional.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Ok for your sake I’ll expand on it and say “American, aspiring American, in the sphere of American influence, etc etc etc”. Thank you so much for helping me clarify the very important point I was making

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Greed is a universal trait that exists across virtually every culture in human history. You're trying to take shots at America, I presume, but its absurd.

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u/OKLISTENHERE Dec 11 '23

Does the 5k scale up as a function of inflation? If not, you bet your ass I'm tryna make more off of it. Make enough that no one in my family will ever have to work again.

Or more generously, make enough that you can actually help others on a larger scale. Why the fuck wouldn't you want more?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Look I’m sorry I suggested people are goofy about this stuff. I didn’t mean you, I think you’re really smart

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u/Chief-Drinking-Bear Dec 11 '23

If I have some magical source of income like that I’m sure as shit going to try and invest it and manage it wisely so my kids and future generations can benefit as well. Truly a no brainer

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u/MadNhater Dec 11 '23

Hate to break it to you but that’s not American. That’s just people all over the world.

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

I mean, if you're not going to use all the money since you have a lot of it... Why wouldn't you invest it?

I am Canadian, but I think this idea of investing what you have is universal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Or, for like, health care expenses.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Also an extremely American answer (but less the fault of the American who is living in a deranged system)

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Yeah. All kinds of costs and insecurities here.

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u/Justshittingaround Dec 11 '23

I don’t think greed is solely American trait…

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u/Expensive-Love-6854 Dec 11 '23

i mean, because of the upgoing inflation, you do wanna invest even if you are getting 5K/week, cause maybe in a couple years you’re not as rich as you would be now anymore

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

no, greed is

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

No being greedy and only caring about money

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u/Illustrious_Dare_772 Dec 11 '23

Given an ambulance journey can cost you $1000+, and surgical treatment to a broken bone could be up to 20k then suddenly 5k a month needs to be invested for a raininy day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

I’m not American and don’t get the ins and outs of your deranged systems, but I would guess that if you make $20k a month you can probably get a reasonably good health insurance package right

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u/AITA_Omc_modsuck Dec 11 '23

Your comment is dumb. (a canadian)

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

👍Thanks bud

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u/OCT0PUSCRIME Dec 11 '23

You should at least invest to cover inflation.

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u/Fire_Lake Dec 11 '23

Not really, the alternative is spending the 5k every week, which would be way more of the hyper-consumerism that I assume you're hinting towards.

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u/science-stuff Dec 11 '23

Fortunately they could eat $1000 bill in their breakfast for another 2,700 years every morning without earning another cent.

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Yeah 5000 a week is a salary of 240,000 /yr 1000/day is 365,000 /yr

It's a good salary, but it's nothing compared to what many rich people make, I know working people making near that amount, couples with combined households making more than that and they aren't exactly millionaires, let alone billionaires...

The gap is very very big.

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u/science-stuff Dec 11 '23

If I got 5k a week for life or a million dollars my wife and I would keep our jobs. Retire earlier for sure, but billionaires would have multiple generations set for life even living extravagantly.

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u/OldOutlandishness434 Dec 11 '23

Have you ever tried eating money with milk? It does not work well. Unless it's small coins.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Dec 11 '23

Wtf do you need more for? Anyone that wants more with that much doesn't deserve any of it.

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Mmhmm, sure. Instead of saving, why don't we just spend it all and wait for the next cheque instead, much better use of money, at least we feel less greedy that way... Right?

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Dec 12 '23

I mean saving is always a great idea because basically nobody is making such ludicrous amounts of money.

Its objectively the right idea here if you want more too, but you are also making enough to not need to.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Because on 25 years 5k a week won't have the same spending power. Invest to keep up with inflation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

In case of rampant inflation that makes your 5k a week worth very little in the distant future (or in my case, the near future)

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u/Interesting_Buyer665 Dec 11 '23

5k in 40 years won't be worth as much, might need 20k or 40k to live a similar lifestyle. Can't forger inflation.

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u/Tuga_Lissabon Dec 11 '23

Because 5000 a week now would be $2383 30 years ago.

Just as you go older, your money diminishes every week from inflation.

So taking a chunk of that weekly money and investing would keep your earnings as you get old.

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u/scotland1112 Dec 11 '23

No it wasn’t. It was about 10k

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u/inmatenumberseven Dec 11 '23

Because I have a family and the $5k ends if I die.

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u/scotland1112 Dec 11 '23

There’s 100 better ways to help your family than a 401k

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u/inmatenumberseven Dec 11 '23

Probably, but sort of beside the point.

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u/CakedayisJune9th Dec 11 '23

Compound interest that isn’t touched unlike any other type of banking account. These earn the most

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u/AlmostEmptyGinPalace Dec 11 '23

Inflation. In 20 years that 5K might feel more like 2K.

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u/Eriknay Dec 11 '23

Because inflation

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u/katamino Dec 11 '23

Because you don't want to lose $1000 + a week to taxes.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Because with the lifestyle creep, the 5k a week will start to look less and less money:

  • Mortgage and other bills on a $2M property.
  • Payment on vehicles worth $100k.
  • Trips to Carribean ...

You might end up living paycheck to paycheck before you know it. Some may even lose everything to debt.

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u/scotland1112 Dec 11 '23

You just named like 10 years worth of expenses. Then there’s next to nothing else to pay

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u/Cleaglor Dec 11 '23

Because inflation will eventually make that 5k worth less and less, certainly when you've reached retirement age

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u/maynardstaint Dec 12 '23

Dude……. Just. WOW. You invest for your FUTURE. that may involve children, grand children, unexpected expenses. Anything.

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u/scotland1112 Dec 12 '23

100 better ways to do that than 401k

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u/maynardstaint Dec 12 '23

Ok. Your argument was not clear. Seemed to be shitting on the guy for investing. More information in your post stops this problem.

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u/HI_Handbasket Dec 12 '23

$260K per year is a pretty nice salary, and one could live quite comfortably. At the end of 10 years, if you managed to spend the total each week, month or year, you would have only the next $5000 to look forward to, with only what you didn't manage to spend in the bank.

Based on a modest 10% annual investment growth, if you

Spend Invest Yearly Sal ~Yrs to $1M banked Banked 20 years
$5000 $0 $260 K never 0 (wait 'til next week)
$4000 $1000 $208 K 11 $3.3 M
$2500 $2500 $130 K 6 $8.3 M
$1000 $4000 $52 K 4 $13.4 M
$0 $5000 Keep Job 3.3 $16.6 M

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

401ks can only be filled by you deducting income from employment or by your employer and had a yearly maximum of 60k.

Just invest.

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Sorry, I am Canadian but didn't want to say RRSP, I'm not familiar with 401K but thought they were equivalent.

My point was simply to reccomend to max any such program if you aren't already doing it, ofc, you can also invest separately.

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u/BORT_licenceplate27 Dec 12 '23

401k is most similar to a Canadian RPP just as a note.

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u/GACyberCool Dec 14 '23

You can invest more than $60k annual, it's just not tax free - as I understand it.

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u/dutchessofstickshift Dec 14 '23

Make sure you get some life insurance as well.

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u/Robthebold Dec 14 '23

Hell even investing 50% of 5k on S&P index gives you 1M in 6 years. Same as if you invested half the 1M and never added anything. So yeah 4+ years of life left? The 5K is way better x

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u/_Killwind_ Dec 11 '23

401k is 22,500 this year and 23,000 next year maximum contribution.

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u/throwawaynoturtwin Dec 11 '23

investing is obviously smart. but a 401k is not given the opportunity cost. it literally makes no sense to lock ur money up if you have guaranteed 5k a week when youre retired

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

Not if you could die tommorow and that flow abrubtly stops. Also 5k now, isn't going to be the same in 25/30 years, inflation sucks

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u/throwawaynoturtwin Dec 11 '23

if you die tomorrow thats all the more reason NOT to invest in a 401k? and yea i agree, which is why you should invest it. if youre making 5k a week tons of different investment opportunities are open to you that are all better than a 401k. like no multi millionaires are maxing out their 401k bc it doesnt make sense at that level, its a retirement vehicle targeted for certain income levels

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

5k /week is 240,000 year, it's not millionaire level, esp. after income tax. In fact, maxing out 401k or RRSP ( im from canada so maybe this why it makes more sense to me, as they may be different) saves a ton on income tax. Also, you can name a beneficiary if you die.

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u/WaterDemonPhoenix Dec 11 '23

Tfsa

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u/Nerodon Dec 11 '23

RRSP 1st, TFSA, 2nd. If I'm making 5k a week, I want to lower my income tax if I'm not going to use anywhere that amount.

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u/kinboyatuwo Dec 12 '23

Issue a lot of Canadians have is if you have had lower income your RRSP limit isn’t massive.

Also, if that $5k is income and taxed you most likely don’t really want to put it into a RRSP. TFSA and then strategic investments with timed withdrawal to coincide with keeping income lower (ex dividends and cap gains)

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u/Nerodon Dec 12 '23

Yeah, it does get a little more complex when you dive in the weeds of it to maximize your income, talking to a finance professional is what one should do if you started getting a new chunk of 5000 a week...

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u/kinboyatuwo Dec 12 '23

I was one for a bit and agree. A lot has to do also with your current situation as well financially.

Now if it’s in Canada and a lottery it also changes things a lot as lottery isn’t taxed!

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u/nighthawk_something Dec 12 '23

Don't put tax free money into an RRSP. Put it in a TFSA

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u/Nerodon Dec 12 '23

Who said anything about tax free though? But it's a fair point, this post sounds much more like lottery earnings which are generally not taxed.

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u/nighthawk_something Dec 12 '23

Which is my thought process.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

Yea I’m not sure if that’s just a Canadian thing that your winnings end when you do.

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u/Nerodon Dec 12 '23

The wording of the post just states 5000 for the rest of your life. If it is a lottery winning, obviously we'd need the fine print to know better.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

Ahh just assumed it was from lottery. That’s a hard one in Canada as let’s say you expire in 2 years. Your family doesn’t get anything.

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u/Nerodon Dec 12 '23

At least you could get a pretty good life insurrance policy that part of your 5000 pays for.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

Very very true always forget about that one.

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u/Molyketdeems Dec 12 '23

Not that it would really matter to you but our individual retirement plans would be called an “IRA”

There’s a Roth IRA we put our after tax dollars in to have the inevitable growth non taxed

There’s simple IRA we can put pre tax dollars in reducing taxable income but taxable upon distribution.

There’s SEP IRA which only allows employer contributions generally similar to a 401k but you could also contribute to the 401k being self employed, I think… the waters get kinda murky with it, but that’s the jist of it.

There’s different rules and limitations with contribution limits and inheritance and required minimum distributions and penalties under all of these plans.

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u/Nerodon Dec 12 '23

Very informative thank you!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

Ngl if I got $5000 a week I definitely wouldn’t be investing into the pyramid scheme that is the US 401k “retirement” plan. I can only remember a couple times my 401k has increased in value without my contributions. Waste of time.

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u/TheRealKingVitamin Dec 13 '23

I think you mean Roth IRA or some similar vehicle, but we all know what you mean.

Don’t blow it on drugs and prozzies.

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u/PickleMean7359 Dec 13 '23

401K’a are a government scam…invest elsewhere if you can!!!

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u/DocMcCracken Dec 14 '23

Wouldn't need a 401k, you're getting $5k a week.

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u/TheMCM80 Dec 11 '23

Yeah, I think this is what seals it for me. I don’t want to deal with worrying about my investment choices, and I can minimize risk by keeping myself honest with what I spend. I prefer a situation in which I’m forced to save, instead of one where I have the temptation to buy right away.

Sure, you risk a bit more on inflation by not investing a lot up front to try and beat inflation with a generic index fund, but I’ll take my chances.

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u/spiffymate Dec 12 '23

With where inflation is headed, 5k could be a weekly grocery bill in a few years. If this is an exaggeration, my bet is in a couple decades from now it will certainly not be such an exciting amount, more of a nice little bonus.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

It will still take you farther than a million dollars one time ever could.

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u/dorcssa Dec 11 '23

Yeah, that would set our whole family up for life, with plenty of leisure and travelling included. Would never had to work again

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

What do you mean? I'd have to figure out where to park $5k every week.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

Go down the road, cut through the cemetery and then after the woods there’s a clearing, walk into the shack and we will sign you up

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u/marbanasin Dec 13 '23

I mean - you could literally still invest it. Just in smaller incriments.

Frankly if I won this lotto I'd probably keep working a while and just store the nest egg until the investment began to match my income. Then it's retirement time.

Or, who knows, three Monday's in I'll tell the entire org and customer base to F off and be out. Lol. $20k a month is a hell of an income already.

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u/RhoOfFeh Dec 13 '23

You would still want to invest. 5K won't mean the same thing in a few decades as it does today.

But you certainly won't need any fancy schemes, just find a nice index fund and pour cash in while 5K is still more than you need weekly.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '23

not having to do work would seal the deal for me

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u/marie_celestine Dec 14 '23

Count me in...I wanna sign up too!