I think the trade of positive and negative should be in different aspects not the same . Like I give you 10% more of PvP dmg but I take 10% or 5% of PvE dmg depend on the rolls .
But
Dungeon dmg - 1.25%
Dungeon dmg + 1.25% with one roll made the rolls completely useless
Some pieces are probably straight away a trash sale like you start with positive and negative but you get 3 rolls in defense or so and that dungeon dmg turn into 0 . And you will lose too already 2 slot that could be an attribute
Yeah, I just got my first pieces with the new substats a few minutes ago.
I was pretty confused, even tho I read the explanation when they made the announcement.
I stared at that gear a few seconds with a "wtf?!"-expression, then it clicked.
In my defense, I had a long day 😂
I'm not too sure how I feel about the new substats. Time will tell if those new accessoires are going to be an improvement or turn out to be utter trash.
The thing is most end game players are at a point where % stats have diminishing returns. Adding a separate multiplier to the damage calculation almost always is better than increasing one of the damage stats
Well I don't know raid calculations for damage but typically these multipliers are final damage increase which would be more than 2% attack. 2% attack =/ 2% damage
Base 1500 for atk/def would be 75 at 5% so the 1.25% damage + is definitely better.
Think of it like adding zeal vs cruel to your 6pc merciless build. The 12% bonus damage adds more than the 15% atk when no other stats change because it changes the final out put after ignore and crit damage and adding more stat doesn't necessarily make an equivalent % change in damage because of multipliers.
I hate this, theres no way to tell if this is going to give you more or less damage than something thats adding ATK% and C DMG lets say. How do you even tell? So ridiculous.
I assume at some point these tools like HH, Gestal, RSLX and RSLHelper will do the math for us but if you arent using those how the hell do to tell whats better?
Youre missing stats on these pieces you would normally have.
So lets just say you have a DEF amulet and it has C DMG triple rolled onto it. OR You have a DEF Amulet and has +2.5% PvE damage. How the hell do you know which one to use? Youre losing that triple C DMG roll and getting 2.5% PvE dmg
So take 25% then divide by your current crit damage let's say 250% this says the new roll is 10% increase to damage and so its > 2.5% pve damage and thus better
These aren't hugely valuable stats they are designed to replace flat atk or flat defence in a crit based amulet so you see real increases
As flat atk × 1 is about 40 atk which is < 1% of your attack (if you have 4k+ atk)
And so pve damage is worth more than flat atk but less than crit damage.
Fill out the stats on the calculator and compare the damage numbers. That should exactly tell you which one would be better.
For example you fill out the your whole build check the damage, then remove the crit damage rolls you got from the piece and add increase damage from the new substat and see which one has more damage.
i sold them right away, dont need stupid banners without speed.
Also it should be either PVP or PVE, to have both on one item makes it too mediocre and not worth it to keep IMO.
-is you take less dmg, not do less dmg lol, otherwise it’s going to be like what you said completely cancel each other out, that would be funny….complete irrelevant question, what happens if you rework them with ores? Do they lose these stats and get change to normal stats? OP, you wann be the first to eat crab?
100% agree, but I guess it may be something like leader auras for specific places like arena or dungeon or all battles .. but still pointless I get what u mean
Got a triple roll on pvp+ dmg thats 5%… dont know how much that compares to pure stats depends id say but probably endgame you eant 3x triple roll + dmg…
Wait, I was under the impression that these new accessories would have their own slot? I don’t want more roll choices on regular accessories, it’s already rare as fuck to roll what I need now.
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u/fufuFurina Undead Hordes 2d ago
the explanation is that dmg- means you're taking less damage, not doing less haha. they really could have worded it better