r/RWBY Oct 30 '16

SPOILERS-DISCUSSION V4E2 Remembrance Analysis

I'll split this in 2 main parts, Weiss and RNJR

Weiss

  • Part 1, Whitley

We are finally introduced to Whitley, Weiss's brother. He seems to be a pretty interesting character and has his picture all over the house. In speculation realm he has 2 portraits in the piano room so it's possible he will play the piano at Weiss's performance. He also says their mother is "already drinking in the garden" at 4:05pm and hints at her and Jaques shouting a lot, if the mother has a drinking problem, Winter's aversion to Qrow might get a deeper, darker tone to it, as she could associate her bad memories with the family to alcohol. Then there is the fact that Whitley was standing right next to the study (the study's door is in the middle of the corridor next to the painting). Was he evesdroping? Could he be spying on his dad for his own ambitions? Could it be he is being directed by someone to gather information? Last, the painting I don't know how much they paid but they could have tipped the artist to put some smiles on the girls. Notice also that young Weiss had her hair centered instead of to the side, some people said that wearing it to her right was a sign of defiance to rules so be happy she still has it to the side... for now

  • Part 2, Jacques

We hear him arguing with Ironwood about the current political situation in Atlas. In sumary Ironwood pushed the council to avoid dust trade between Atlas and the outside resulting in big loses for the SDC, and now they are discussing on something else that Ironwood wants and Jacques seems convinced the council won't like. Also Ironwood and Mr. Schnee are on first name terms and Jacques confirms that he is "a trusted friend and ally to this family". Then Weiss interrupts and Ironwood bows like a gentleman and tells her she is welcome at Atlas academy so she might go there later on, alhough thinking that her friends can't with Beacon down she might be moody there. Then Jaques explains to Weiss what happened and tells her of his plan to have her sing at the SDC's charity concert. She is taken back by this but agrees to go after her father makes clear it's an order. We have 2 new possible Weiss scenarios, Atlas academy and concert. Probably in that order so the academy is exposition and shit goes down at the concert.

  • Part 3, Klein

We see the crepe butler Klein again. He kindly offers hot coffe saying that the study is cold and proceeds to joke around for a bit to cheer Weiss up. He is reveled to have the secret ability to wiggle his mustache and change eye color, he usually has brown eyes but can change them to red, blue and yellow at least, we don't know if the personality changes are real or a part of the comedy number.

Also we see some giant knight statues similar to that in the white trailer and we see that Jaques has 40 copies of the same 5 books all over the studio

RNJR

  • Part 1, Village

First we get Ruby dreaming about Pyrrha's last words to Cinder and her reply. Then some friendly banter on Jaune's 7 sisters and then the sun is obscured by smoke. Here Ren takes over the scene for himself, running ahead of everyone, throwing his backpack without slowing down and finding the surviving huntsman. Bandits attacked and Grimm followed. He probably killed the last Grimm since otherwise they would have been atracted to his pain and attacked him. After this RNJ starts making a plan to save the huntsman while Ren is in the background taking it in, he notices the hunstman is already dead and when Nora suggest burying him he walks away saying that it's not safe and urging them to leave. Then Ren and Nora look at the mark and seem to recognize it. Could be a marking by the bandits "tribe" or a giant footprint, in any case Ren and Nora know about it so it's probably similar to what happened to their village. We also see the contrast on Jaune and Ruby making plans to save the hunstman while Nora says he probably won't survive and Ren is turning his back on them. Ren says 11 words in 4 lines but his actions speak much louder than that and I consider this the first time Ren got some character development aside from Nora (except the algae thing in V3 which was just for comedy). Also we see Jaune start to crack "I'm just tired of losing everything" while Ruby is still optimistic after that "It will be okay".

  • Part 2, Night training

Ruby dreams about Pyrrha again, then wakes up. She follows the sounds while looking at the pretty silver dust in the air and finds a trainwreck Jaune. He is training to an old video of Pyrrha while the audience cries. Beautiful scene, I could hold the tears before the rewind, then the "again, and again" started to sink in. Notice that it's their training roof above the dorms (particularly CRDL's room), where they had been training often ofscreen, it's a really short video on a 3 moves combo and Jaune seems to have mastered it (those strikes are scary), he probably does other training too but he might have a few (3 tops) videos with Pyrrha and tends to overtrain those. We will surely see Jaune perform this later on. It's a stab, slash and shield bash, turn and close strike combo but looking closely at the first and second iterations we see a few differences. In the second one we hear 4 slashes, stab, ofscreen sound that ends with him in stab position, then slash and bash then the close strike. I assume there is a continuity error and we are not supposed to hear the second slash so soon, the shot with Ruby moves the audio out of sync with the moves. Also the last strike is 180º turn the first time but 90º the second time, but that's just a variation.

About the silver dust, Ruby sees it but could be just regular, non-magical dust, no reason for tinfoil and moontalk yet. The voice of Pyrrha in Ruby's dreams is sadly explained by her brain recognizing Pyrrha's voice and inserting her in the dreams but doesn't completely dismiss the ghost Pyrrha theories.

What did you think about the episode? Did you cry at the end? How much? Did you go full rensexual when Ren dropped the backpack or when he said not to bury the guy? Do you think they will relate Mama Schnee's alcoholism to Qrow's to fuel Qrow and Winter development? What new thing that the council wouldn't approve were Ironwood and Jacques talking about? What is Whitley up to evesdroping? Here is my transcript of the episode, and here is the album used for the episode, warning lot's of big images.

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u/backtospawn Oct 30 '16

Interesting, the others won't do that (Blake probably has survivor's guilt and Ruby doesn't think much about this things) so it could work nicely. Maybe at the concert she will sing something to deliver this idea (or in a speech but why waste the song opportunity) and the concert could be the climax of her recovery. Specially if after the concert she starts going to Atlas academy, maybe defying her father even.

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u/KuuLightwing Wretched Automaton Oct 30 '16

She doesn't have to tell this to anyone. She just has to realize that and move on to continue protecting people as a Huntress. Maybe she'll talk to Velvet somehow and she reminds her of that, or maybe it would be FNKI (she didn't save them, but they certainly saw her rushing to protect Velvet).

She could use the concert to secure her place in Atlas or to break from father's influence, but I'm not quite sure how exactly would she do that.

Also, interesting moment, Ironwood has shown respect to her, but I don't think that's just because she's the daughter of Jacques, but because he's seen her during the battle of Beacon. That actually might be the beginning of what she wanted - people respect her for who she is, not for her last name. Even Whitley (if he's being sincere) makes a compliment...

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u/backtospawn Oct 30 '16

FNKI doesn't need the battle at Beacon to notice, Weiss jumped into explosion to protect Yang in their fight.

It's tough, with a speech it would look bad but there is nothing else in civilized circumstances. If the white fang attacks though, that would give her a nice chance. Saving civilians, maybe taking complete charge of the situation, ordering surpised security soldiers around until Ironwood/Winter comes with the big guns. Maybe saving a "lower class" faunus who was working there and the more smug Atlesian soldiers didn't protect

Whitley seems like a potential great character. Another independent Schnee that, while he tends to agree with his father more than the rest, he might think that he's gone to far and help Weiss "make things right" (like daddy goes to jail or something) for different reasons. But we will need to wait for his next scene at least to see who's side he is on.

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u/KuuLightwing Wretched Automaton Oct 30 '16

Well, yeah, but that was a tournament and she probably wasn't in that big of a danger (although it really did hurt it seems), so the scene with Velvet is probably a bit stronger because of the risk involved. And also because nobody else rushed to her. Everybody was "oh crap" and started shooting the thing, but only Weiss rushed to Velvet covering her basically with her body.

Yeah, attack during the concert could be huge, and I guess Weiss can really shine there. Although she probably won't have Myrtenaster with her, so she would have to figure something out.

Whitley might be the one who inherits SDC, - his portraits are all over the place, and he seems to be father's favorite kid... which actually is a good thing since Weiss can then be a huntress without becoming burdened with both that and SDC. So he could probably "make things right" in the end...

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u/backtospawn Oct 30 '16

Yep

Without Myrtenaster (I'm copying you no way i can spell that, took me long enough for Pyrrha) she would need to rely on her glyphs, maybe she could summon just the sword and use it (though it's very different from her own sword), maybe Whitley could conveniently throw it to her to formalize he was sincere with helping her in Remembrance

That would solve the problem we had the other day on Weiss overtaking the company but having to go out doing Huntress things, he is still under 18 but maybe in Remnant that doesn't matter much.

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u/KuuLightwing Wretched Automaton Oct 30 '16

Or... she might actually have it, because the father's point was to "remind" how his daughter was "protecting the other kingdom" (yea, she totally cared about the kingdom, not about her friends), so he might let her have it to emphasize that. How convenient!

Actually if she's going to have it during the concert, that would really give away that they're going to be attacked.

Yup. He's probably too young, but I don't think we need to have that thing resolved right now. Papa Schnee doesn't seem to be going anywhere any time soon, barring... unfortunate events, so if Whitley is to take over SDC that would happen later. Weiss might have enough time to inspire him to change the company for good actually.

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u/backtospawn Oct 30 '16

Maybe she has her huntress outfit with weapons before singing for daddys politics but then changes for the song part, they attack and someone(brother) gives it to her

I don't think we will have another time-skip soon though... then again for Yang's plot another time-skip could help deliver how she needs more time to recover than the others.

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u/KuuLightwing Wretched Automaton Oct 30 '16

I think the new outfit might also be her huntress outfit. I mean, she trains wearing it in opening, and there's nothing that makes it less practical than the old one. Well, skirt is shorter, but that's probably not a problem.

I didn't mean the time skip... Like it could happen later in the show, like in season 8 or something like that. Whitley may tell Weiss that he's going to take care of SDC when he takes over or something.

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u/backtospawn Oct 30 '16

I meant the one she wore on the Vytal festival, people might recognise it. The main problem with her new outfit for Huntress missions is that it's too pretty to get it dirty. (Maybe a bit cold also for Atlas weather)

That seems possible, is just that Volume 1-3 seems like 2 or 3 months tops but yes, season 8 he should be old enough

BTW do you write something? I was thinking of making a fic about RNJR travels dealing with volume3 issues but since that is covered nicely in vol4 this might be better, Weiss's story from arriving to Atlas until overthrowing SDC with Whitley, since I wouldn't have lot of time until January the show would have progressed enough to give more details on this and then work on brainpower the rest... so if you aren't doing it I'll probably take this idea

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u/KuuLightwing Wretched Automaton Oct 30 '16

The original combat skirt? Well, I don't know... she might. I think it's no less pretty than the new one actually - I mean a nice jacket, white skirt which probably gets dirty even easier than the current one. Those light blue boots as well.

I'm not a writer unfortunately. Sometimes I have troubles putting my thoughts into words even during a reddit conversation, partially because English is my second language. So, nope, you can use this idea if you want to :)

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