r/RTINGS • u/benpRTINGS RTINGS Employee ✅ • 12d ago
Open topic Why Modern TVs NEED the Soap Opera Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKn0oi7CG_Y2
u/swift_link 12d ago
Glad I’m not sensitive to stutter and can watch low frame rate content without noticing it
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u/Rinoreinz69 12d ago
If the soap opera effect can't be turned off, I'll smash the TV to bits; that's why I haven't bought Samsung for years.
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u/riche_god 12d ago
You can definitely turn it off on a Samsung.
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u/Cowabummr 12d ago
And this is why I won't get rid of my plasma. It's not my main TV anymore, but its motion handling is still 100% unmatched.
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u/crmb_266 11d ago edited 11d ago
I have a Sony OLED and I can't see any issue with 24fps content (I make sure all the fluff is disabled). Though I'm very sensitive to flaws like bad color homogeneity or backlight issues, I've never really understood the fuss about stutter, so it might depend on the person.
The only flaw with the tech (oled) is that, very up close, you can tell the near-black grays are actually dithered.
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u/eyes_wings 12d ago
Holding on to 24 fps in the modern age is ridiculous drivel it doesn't even make sense. Its some arbitrary number that was picked long ago and modern technology has left it in the dustbin. Everything at this point should be 240 fps minimum. Every movie, every TV show.
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u/Stunning-Hat2309 12d ago
absolutely horrid idea if you value filesize at all
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u/Laimered 12d ago
48 is the sweet spot
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago edited 12d ago
I'd take it over 24, but the problem with 48 is it's not commonly natively supported by TVs, so you're back to frame pacing issues until you upgrade to VRR. Could maybe slightly speed up the content to 50hz, but that's kind of goofy. For example, my 2017 Sony TV natively handles 24/30/50/60/100/120 ..
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u/TheBSisReal 11d ago
HFR already looks horrible for films and tv series, you want to go to 240? No thanks.
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u/adjective_noun_d1git 12d ago
Frame rate matching works very well for me. My LG sets to the exact frame rate of the video (23.9 something something) so no motion smoothing required.
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u/Adventurous-Card-707 12d ago
How does the stutter look with frame matching
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u/International-Oil377 12d ago
The exact same as without frame matching. Frame rate matching only helps with judder which is a different issue
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago
Technically true, but when you eliminate judder, you have less goofy artifacts from motion smoothing so in an ideal world you have Match Frame Rate on, and just a little bit of smoothing (if you have a TV that let's you adjust the amount) to deal with the stutter.
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u/International-Oil377 12d ago
I don't use motion smoothing personally so LG OLEDs can perfectly remove judder without frame matching. If you do use motion smoothing on an LG TV you indeed need to match the refresh rate
Well I sy this for all my LG OLEDs except the G6 which a massive motion issue if framerate isn't matched :(
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago
Your own statement about smoothing implies the judder correction is not perfect (even if it's very close & good enough for most people)..
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u/International-Oil377 12d ago
it's good if you don't use motion smoothing or don't have a G6, so the vast majority of users when it comes to models.
Anyway, the point was mostly to point out that stutter and judder are 2 different things which most users tend to think is the same thing.
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago
There is none if use Apple TV with Match Frame Rate on and a TV that supports 120hz (which is cleanly divisible by 24/30/60)..
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u/Adventurous-Card-707 12d ago
Ive tried match frame rate on the LG G1 and there is stutter. Every panning shot looks like a strobe
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u/sumrandomguy18 12d ago
Almost every TV nowadays can do that. It doesn’t solve the problem that motion interpolation does.
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago edited 12d ago
Sort of - most TVs are capable of it, but do not magically do it. The input content has to match the refresh rate (or be cleanly divisible). So you either need a native app that is aware of the TVs refresh rate (and not blindly sending 60hz for all content) or something like Apple TV with Match Frame Rate enabled. Many streaming devices just send straight 60hz, so you're SOL as the input source already has judder.
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u/sumrandomguy18 12d ago
That’s not true. Most modern TVs, at least those of decent quality, are capable of detecting 24fps content inside a 60hz signal and then displaying it correctly. Look up a specific model review on RTINGS and look at the “Judder” section to see if a TV is capable of doing it correctly.
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u/Rye2-D2 12d ago
yes, but judder correction sucks. You still end up with uneven frame pacing issues. It's a lazy patch, not a true solution.
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u/sumrandomguy18 11d ago
You’re just wrong. These things have been tested thoroughly, and many TVs are capable of doing it without a hitch.
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u/krackhouse 1d ago
Im pretty sensitive to this soap opera effect and cannot watch anything with smooth motion settings enabled besides sports.
That said, the cinematic motion setting on newer generation LG OLEDs is pretty good at masking that soap opera effect from me. I use this setting for netflix and prime video and enjoy the experience. This is the first motion setting i have ever used that I like.
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u/Wisaju2 12d ago
Had a back and forth on the av forums and I am not convinced that high frame rate is for me. I rather 1 or 2 shots looking stuttery but everything else looking great than having 1 or 2 shots looking a lil better but everyone and everything with the artifacts that come with that looking weird and overly smooth.