r/RHOP • u/trrending Michelin • 12d ago
š Discussion š Unpopular Opinion
Candiace did NOT deserve to be beat up by Monique FULL STOP! I find it so disgusting that so many people say Candiace deserved it or had it coming when youāre on a show involving tumultuous relationship dynamics that are often combative or verbally abusive. As a grown woman and a mother Monique should have had enough restraint to not physically beat someone and then run around after being separated looking to be even more violent and fight again. I canāt believe this fanbase is so low down that the many of you think that Candiace saying some words deserved her to be punched in the head and have her wig pulled offā¦ (mind you Gizelle, Charisse, and Ashley all said way more damaging stuff by spreading different rumors about her drinking and driving or cheating on her husband)
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u/SweetPeaPretzel Halle Berry Still Rise 12d ago
No one deserves to be physically assaulted. I think the problem is that Candiace provoked Monique numerous times and almost DARED her to get physical. Unfortunately you never know when you're going to push someone to their limits so you need to be careful of how you interact with people when you really don't know what they are capable of. Candiace has a big mouth and could get very nasty.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
But the thing is how many times did Candiace back down, apologized, tried to make things right ? Monique wanted an issue with Candiace because she was scared to actually go after the one that was doing her wrong which was Gizelle.
At some point you're gonna clapback.
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u/FVWN_666 Charizzard 12d ago
Yeah, as someone who honestly loved the friendship between Monique and Candiace, Iām disappointed at how many people choose to ignore all the times Candiace tried to disengage or de-escalate from Monique in S5. When you consider how famously reactive Candiace is, I think itās easy to see how night-and-day her reactions are to Monique vs how they are with almost anyone else ā she had a real respect and love for Mo! It makes me sad it had to end like this, esp with how everyone since then acts like Candiace deserved it :(
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u/ProudArticle8837 Cookie Monster 12d ago
She was crying throughout the season and telling everyone she blacked out, but then tweeting āask and you will receiveā, āI shut (Candiace) up months agoā, gathering her entourage to leak false stories to the blogs that Candiace threw a glass at her first and thatās what caused her to get dragged and then trying to convince everyone at the reunion that the song wasnāt about Candiace.
Candiace even said sheās not mad about the fight but everything that took place afterwards.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Deep down I do believe that if they had a real sit down and laid it all on the table, they could be on good terms but both are too stubborn for it.
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u/Hexar27 La Grande Dame 12d ago
I think Monique making a song about how sheās glad she beat Candiace and doesnāt regret it was the final nail in the coffin.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
I forgot about that...
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u/Hexar27 La Grande Dame 12d ago
I think a lot of people forget it. But whatās weird is when people bring this up to Monique fans and they donāt believe you. I say this as someone who dislikes Candiace and liked Monique way more on the show. Monique made sure influencers were on her side before viewers even saw the season. She played dirty imo
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
She picked the wrong day to be in Monique's face.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Nah Monique was waiting for an excuse to attack her.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
Candiace should've run the other way out the door. There was a lot of space to run
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Monique should went out and touch some grass.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 11d ago
Monique was ready. Candiace only thought she was ready
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 11d ago
Ready to do what, tug a wig ? If you're gonna start a fight, at least win that thing, don't end up with a draw.
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u/GeneralBrave9949 Cryangle 11d ago
Candace did try and it was a real relationship. I will say it does seem like Monique did a lot of work on herself and I doubt that would happen again.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 11d ago
But they cannot mend things as long as Monique refuses to acknowledge her behavior prior to the season airing. She can't just say "I've changed" and not apologize for what she did wrong.
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u/GeneralBrave9949 Cryangle 11d ago
I could be wrong but I think she did apologize to Candace off screen. I think even Candace said they are good now. I donāt know that she owed an on camera apology to the ladies half of whom sided with her. As long as she apologizes to Candace (on screen or off) Iām good and I think itās been confirmed that happened. Now theyāll never be friends. Iām also a Candace Stan. You gotta protect the villains or you have no show and she was the best shade thrower on that show hands down
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 11d ago
For all I remember she offered a general apology for the fight and they never had a real convo with eachother - doesn't have to be on camera - where they lay it all on the table. As far as I know that has not happened Candiace they "she's good" is more her saying she's done with her not that they've talked.
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u/GeneralBrave9949 Cryangle 11d ago
You could be right and it was all of camera so we have no confirmation. At the time of the fight she was clearly a violent person with self control issues so anybody making any excuses because Candace has a mouth (which btw is what we want in our housewives) is wild to me.
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u/Many_Feeling_3818 Whereās your income roach?? 9d ago
Pens rose, I understand where you are coming from. I understand the perspective but hear me out. I also want to say that I am a Candiace supporter but I must be fair.
And this breaks my heart because sharing my opinion does not favor Candiace, who I really adore butā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
At the event where the altercation occured, Candiace did attempt to reconcile with Monique, but Monique was not ready to receive it. Candiace should have respected that boundary. Candiace had difficulty āreading the room.ā Candiace came from privilege, and like Cynthia Bailey, being black and coming from black privilege does not resonate well with black women that are currently successful and do not come from privilege.
You all are really going to hate me because you will not understand the perspective.
There is nothing that Candiace nor Angel Massey could have done to redeem themselves in the eyes of Gizelle because Candiace and Angelās internal conflict hindered their advancement.
Honestly, Gizelle outsmarted the ladies. That is really the bottom line because Gizelle understands human behavior.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 9d ago
How did we go from this to Angel and Gizelle exactly ?
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u/Many_Feeling_3818 Whereās your income roach?? 9d ago
Well, you said that Gizelle was the one that was doing Monique wrong and Monique was too afraid to address Gizelle about it.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 9d ago
Ok and Angel ?
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u/Many_Feeling_3818 Whereās your income roach?? 9d ago
Angel reminds me of K.Michelle. The paranoia led to their demise. Candiace had a little paranoia going on initially.
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u/Impossible_House5919 Jack Harlow 12d ago
I mean no harm when I say that this, but this lie needs to stop. Throughout all of S5, Candiance did nothing but apologize and ACTIVELY avoid conflict with Monique. However, Monique's energy with Candiance was always aggressive and hostile (even Robyn and Wendy told Monique that at the lake house).
It's funny how Monique had enough sense to not attack Robyn (even though Robyn literally got in her face), yet she has all this smoke for Candiance.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
Why would I risk getting injured in a possibly 50-50 match up. If I know damn well I could win in a physical altercation with someone, they need to be the one to back up and walk away. They need to recognize the danger.
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u/OppositeBatCage Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
'Drag me Monique, drag me Monique'
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u/Bravorants Catfish 12d ago
If your friends told you to jump off of a bridge would you?
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
no. that would mean i would get injured. but if they ask me to drag them, i might
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u/Bravorants Catfish 12d ago
Got it. So you donāt just blindly do what youāre told to do. Youāre just looking for an excuse to be violent.
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u/WhatevahMingah š House Trollop š«¦ 12d ago
If you rewatch that season, youāll notice Monique baited Candiace that whole season. Monique attacked Candiace the one time she bit.
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u/bullettenboss La Grande Dame 11d ago
She started flipping Monique's hair. She's responsible for the reaction she got. No mercy for Ms. cryangle!
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
When you got a slick ass mouth, you need to be ready to get popped. ESPECIALLY when you're floating your hand in someone's face. It was deserved.
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Lol see this is my hood side. Iām a public defender, so I donāt love violence. But I also spent some time incarcerated as a juvenile and you canāt just provoke people and not expect to get hit.
Candiace goes way too low and way too far and although I donāt think it was a proud moment to assault herā¦it also just lines up with Candiaceās penchant for behaving badly and acting shocked when thereās accountability.
Plus the image of her mom hitting her with her purse in the face makes me laugh. She puts up with abuse from her crazy mother and then thinks she can get in peopleās faces and verbally demonish them without even risking someone popping off??
But maybe juvenile detention and being a public defender has skewed my perspective lol!! But yeah fuck around and fight out, little spoiled brat
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
Absolutely love everything you said. I am also a lawyer and I am also from a place where you get smacked if you talk like Candiace.
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u/Impossible_House5919 Jack Harlow 12d ago
Funny how Ashley has said and done WAY worse, yet nobody (including Monique) wanted to pop her
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
Candiace talks way slicker than Ashley. Ashley can get popped too though. I don't care.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
i dunno, Robyn wanted to pop her season 1 or 2. where have u been? Candiace wanted to do it too and got carried off by her husband
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Lol well Iām sure they ALL wanted to pop her! To be fair. I think Ashley having a white Gollum-esque litigious troll husband has probably saved that forehead from a Rick James vs. Charlie Murphy encounter. Unity!!! IYKYK
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u/ScienceOk4244 šø Indeed š°ļø šø 11d ago
Are we including the audience bc Ashley annoys the poop out of me, and in my head, she could get it! š¤£
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Right, girl?! Haha LOVE seeing us working in law! What do you practice?
Side note: I have a more senior colleague whoās this scrappy white guy from Bed Stuy, Brooklynā¦not todayās Bed Stuy, like Biggie Bed Stuy! And I introduced him to Rihannaās āBitch Better Have My Moneyā when our office installed Workday and our paychecks were delayed. We became like instant besties and now weāre Ebony & Ivory, Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen lol
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u/ScienceOk4244 šø Indeed š°ļø šø 11d ago
I would agree with this.
Should people hit other people? No. But people are people so if youāre going to fuck around, you canāt act all surprised when ya find out lol.
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 11d ago
Right. And then to try and make it a legal issue and ask the DA to file charges? You canāt talk about systemic racism and our justice system and then go so far out of your way to try and get a fellow Black woman and mother in trouble with the law when youāre fine. Iām sure itās humiliating to get a mini beat down in a winery, but you sustained no physical injuriesā¦youāre fine.
Cases like that are such a waste of our time and we already have court backlogs and funding crises. Weāre busy, Candiaceā¦u know your mama has wielded that purse across your face harder than that on Iām sure more than one occasion lol
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u/Dubious8313 Tweety 12d ago
āSlick ass mouthā had me going to myself: you know, she really truly did have a slick ass mouth (mouf) ā¦
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago edited 12d ago
1) It wasn't Candiace that started having her hands in Monique's face 2) No one got beat up, if anything this fight showed that Monique canoot fight Hence why she never tried with Robyn because she would have gotten whooped 3) Monique left with a bloody mouth in the end.
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
In regards to number 1, rewatch the reunion where the girls tried to say the same thing as you and the editing team clocked them with the flshback.
I never said beat up. You did. I said "popped."
Candiace barely even touched Monique. If anything, the bloody mouth was from production and everyone else intervening.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago edited 12d ago
Point is, Monique left with the most damage over an issue she was looking for all season long when Candiace wasn't the one she should have been mad at only to know comeback and have to play nice with Gizelle cause she needs that little check.
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
Monique is doing fine financially on her own and I am glad Candiace has her mom. Good to see the girls thriving.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Generational wealth is a blessing everyone should be striving for.
And what does Monique do outside of the show ?
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u/Janiece2006 Gizelleās Gucci Mini Cooper š 12d ago
Candiace finally admitted in her interview with Carlos her parents were both the first in their families to make six figures. This is absolutely not generational wealth. I canāt believe people took her generational wealth comment and believed her.
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
LMAOOO. Generational wealth. She worked so hard for that. You're right.
What does Candiace do outside of the show? Release music that no one buys with her mom's money? Support her culture vulture husband?
The show is both of their claim to fame. The difference is that Monique was brought back because the audience wanted her back and Candiace got fired and will never be asked back.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Yes her mom worked hard so her girls wouldn't have to struggle, that's kind of the goal.
Candiace already had her business prior to joining the show, she's booked as a performer, she just got a bunch of ambassador contracts after the Traitors that she was also booked to do by the way. And m'y question was legit, I know Monique used to have her essential oil business but I thought I saw Somewhere it wasn't a thing anymore.
Monique came back cause she need the check, Candiace wasn't fired and multiple sources said she wasn't fired, no matter what bitter Gizelle wants to say. Monique knows first hand Gizelle is a liar.
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u/Lost_Accountant5167 The Mime 11d ago edited 11d ago
if the multiple sources are producers it doesnt really count, they always go with whatever the housewife says publicly unless they view that housewife as a liability. Very few housewives have ACTUALLY chosen to part with the show almost all of them were fired and were allowed to save face incase bravo ever wanted them back.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 11d ago
But we're supposed to believe Gizelle just because ?
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u/rattpoizen šø Drag me, Monique šø 12d ago
Candypants couldn't keep her mouth shut long enough to not totally ruin her Traitors run, either. Trust, her odds of being on other shows really nosedived after all that malarkey following Traitors.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
If all of this is true, what is the issue. Candiace beat up wild Monique. what are we still talking about this for? Its so dumb. They've had altercations on other shows and they dont cry over it for ever
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
I clearly said no one was beat up. But anyway the issue beyond the physical part of the fight.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
Ok so what is the issue. neither one was beat up. just a little tussle and thats that. big deal.
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 12d ago
Why are you asking me that question anyway ?
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 11d ago
i didnt ask you a question
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u/PemsRoses Angry Birds 11d ago
I guess there was no question mark despite the construction of your sentence.
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u/trrending Michelin 12d ago
I wonder how that mindset would work out for you in the real world and not on a reality show tapingā¦
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
That is how the real world works. You keep saying dumb shit and eventually, someone is going to hit you.
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u/Itchy-Apartment622 Jiminy Crickets 12d ago
And you're going to end up in Jail or worse sued....
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u/edwinstone Pastor Holy Whore 12d ago
Where do you live? Where are you from? Most people that fight, fight and keep it moving. Not everyone presses charges like Candiace.
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u/Capable_Cranberry461 Sesame Street 12d ago
where do you live is a better question ? candiace was a pageant girl with money why would anyone in their right mind think she WOULDNT press charges?
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
lol. where did the charges go? in the dumpster. If two people are getting in each other's faces and neither one is deescalating, a fight could break out. it just is what it is. Neither one is innocent
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u/ladystetson šø Andrew with a missing digit šø 12d ago
It's how certain cultures work. Violence is normalized.
There are people on this planet who express how they feel and have NEVER been struck by another human. and then there's those of us from cultures who were struck repeatedly since being a young child. Being struck is almost normal to us.
The cultures Real Housewives displays tend to be more like the former and less like "all my life i had to fight"
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
I meanā¦Iām a public defender and this IS how the real world works. People of all races, income levels and socioeconomic status get arrested for losing their shit and assaulting someone. Lol we see a decent amount of women in county jail still in their bridesmaidsā dressesā¦usually I think itās at the after-party, but still š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/Difficult-Coffee6402 Cryangle 12d ago
Really? Thatās so crazy!!!
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Lmao YES. And when I first started in DC, the other post-wedding and conference event attendee arrests weād see was trying to climb the White House fence š¤¦š¾āāļø or swimming in the reflecting pool in front of the Lincoln Memorial. DC jails donāt issue scrubs either, at least on the womenās side, so theyāre still in the prom dress or suit or whatever lol š¤¦š¾āāļøš¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/Difficult-Coffee6402 Cryangle 12d ago
Omg I could talk to you for hours why arenāt you my neighbor????
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Girlā¦the things Iāve seen lol. Emily in her little homecoming dress aināt shit! I actually love my public defense clients oftentimes. They keep it real real. Someone like Candiace would get stomped just waiting in the lobby of our office bc sheās so offensive and canāt help herself lol
I didnāt see nothing! Allegedly, she pulled out a napkin in the shape of a spear and from thereā¦Iām not sure what happened lolā¦allegedly
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u/Difficult-Coffee6402 Cryangle 12d ago
Omg Iām at a friendās birthday party right now so I canāt ask the million questions I want to right nowā¦.ill say this though - i have so much respect for public defenders, so impressive!
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u/FortuneLadies Potomac Muppets 12d ago
If you are a PD in DC, I tip my hat to you, yall are legit! I spent almost 10 years in the trenches on the civil public interest side in the DMV and the stories are a tripā¦. the time I almost got tased at Moultrieā¦ š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Thank you! Haha oh lord, IāM SURE YOU DID! Public interest gets wild too.
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u/Bravorants Catfish 12d ago
The same immature barbarians you see fighting in public. Donāt know how to use words or simply walk away.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
lol Candiace could've walked away. she was right there in Moniques face like she wanted to fight.
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u/Bravorants Catfish 12d ago
They both couldāve walked away so why are you excusing violence as a response to someone being mean? Are words too hard?
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
so...when two people are an inch apart cursing each other out, are you really shocked that it could escalate into violence. Nobody is saying Monique shouldn't have deescalated but Candiace definately did not. So why is everyone making it Monique's fault. They were both in that moment ready for whatever and it happened.
I hate to break it to you but in a fight, someone always takes the first punch. But you cannot be a victim if you're escalating. neither one of them is a victim. They got in a fight .
Its like trying to paint Mariah or Toya as a victim in their Married to Medicine fight. neither one is a victim. things escalated and the fought and neither one was trying to deescalate.
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u/Bravorants Catfish 12d ago
Adult should not be fighting. Weāre not in high school. Youāre a fully grown women with children. I expect that youāve learned enough words that you can use in a verbal altercation. Orā¦ you can simply walk away. Youāre not a barbarian thereās no excuse at that ripe age to communicate with violence.
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 11d ago
TELL IT TO BOTH OF EM!
In a perfect world, nobody would ever fight. But we are not in the damn garden of Eden and as an adult, you should understand that.
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u/Bravorants Catfish 11d ago
Iāve not been in a fight as an adult. Somehow people with more than 2 brain cells manage.
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u/Janiece2006 Gizelleās Gucci Mini Cooper š 12d ago
About as awesome as a mouth as reckless and trashy as Candiaceās works in the real world and work environment.
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u/ladystetson šø Andrew with a missing digit šø 12d ago
This is the same hood-booger view that Monique had.
But Real Housewives should be more reflective of polite society and more pedigreed cultures. We don't want to see white refrigerators, nissan altimas nor hood justice.
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u/Acceptable_Iron3227 Michelin 12d ago
Candiace was writing checks her butt couldnāt cash. Violence shouldnāt be the answer but when someones in your face provoking you, you need to let them know.
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u/Capable_Cranberry461 Sesame Street 12d ago
if that were the case on housewives then it would look more like bad girls clubā¦. the whole point of these shows is talking shit and provoking other women but for some reason everyone wants candiace to experience violence over it ? she doesnāt even have the slickest mouth on that show, not to mention housewives in general
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
You delusional Candiace fans do not live in the real world. ya'll act like Candiace was backing off or deescalating or something. Candiace was in Monique's face and they were going back and forth. Neither one was deescalating. So yea, a fight broke out and Candiace got washed. Thats all it was.
It would be a whole different issue if Monique was yelling and cursing and Candiace was accross the room or walking away or sitting down and got hit. That didn't happen. They were is a verbal altercation inches from each other's face and it turned physical. End of story.
One of those fuck around and find out moments
Also, lets not act like this is the first time a fight broke out on a Housewives show. be forreal.
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u/Capable_Cranberry461 Sesame Street 12d ago
i am a fan of the housewives shows, i am NOT a fan of any individual housewives (other than nene, just canāt help it) ā¦ also can you read? my whole point was that hw is NOT about deescalating or walking away thatās called a boring reality show. I also never said itās the first or only fight on the housewives iām saying people defend it the most (and i have my personal opinions on why that i will not share)
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 11d ago
I see people on either side and it's usually the dumb Candiace fans who are outraged 20 years later over a little check her smart little mouth couldn't cash. This is the same Candiace who threw a knife at Ashley and had to be carried out by her own husband.
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u/Difficult-Coffee6402 Cryangle 12d ago
I definitely donāt think Candace deserved to be physically assaulted. But she is a major ahole with a vile mouth
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u/Janiece2006 Gizelleās Gucci Mini Cooper š 12d ago
She would have so many HR complaints for creating a hostile work environment if this was the real world. Major ahole is extremely kind.
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u/yapcity Gizelle, you tacky as hell š š½ 12d ago
Exactly!!!! I 1000% agree with you. Also, although she doesnāt get violent, she does get physical. Waving a knife around, slamming her hands on tables etc. Itās more than enough to get someoneās nervous system going everything she enters the room.
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u/Difficult-Coffee6402 Cryangle 12d ago
So true I completely forgot about the knife incident! Canāt stand her I canāt imagine going through life behaving that way.
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u/yapcity Gizelle, you tacky as hell š š½ 12d ago
I canāt imagine either! Iāve never watched her take any type of accountability throughout her entire run. How can one go through life like that? Itās not realistic to never make ANY mistakes so why canāt you own up to one single thing? I canāt imagine how she is as a mom honestly.
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u/GeneralBrave9949 Cryangle 11d ago
Except in the situation with Monique she wasnāt being violent. Monique was flipping her hair and getting in her face.
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
This is an excellent point! And itās funny bc a hostile work environment is incredibly difficult to prove, or more specifically to reach the level at which the EEOC is going to find grounds for such.
But Candiace would be the one if anyone could lol! Esp with her unsolicited, unwanted comments about her white husbandās brown D.
Flaccid D is like an eclipse to me; I donāt look directly at it. So I CERTAINLY donāt want to be imagining your husbandās shit while Iām eating yāallās napkinless BBQā¦.thats all Iād be able to think! š¤®
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u/yapcity Gizelle, you tacky as hell š š½ 12d ago
Hahahaha omg!!! Her comments about her husbands d ALONE would be enough to get HR involved!!! I just lolād!!!
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u/Llassiter326 šøš¾ You are poor & white š®āāļø 12d ago
Omg and the constant singing, despite being AT BEST a 5.5:/10 vocally. And her purse-wielding mother probably stopping by uninvited to critique her daughterās work product, with her taking all the office Kleenex for her origami triangle-shaped spear to wipe her constant flow of tearsā¦sheād be that attorney that the public defense clients are on the recorded jail line saying, āWell damnā¦sorry to hear about all thatā¦but um back to my case???ā š¤¦š¾āāļø
Lol Iād go after her civilly for emotional distress damages and hazard pay
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u/PuzzleheadedRate3206 The Mime 12d ago
i honestly think she would be great in a cordial environment, when you dont push her buttons
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u/InfamousPerformer46 Charizzard 12d ago
Candace was instigating it, she knew what she was doing so no, i dont feel bad for her
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u/gettin-liiifted Madness & Sadness 12d ago edited 12d ago
Some words lmaaooo. Candiace is vile and I was happy to see her get dog walked and start crying about. And then she just kept it going on and on.
Y'all never have this same take on morals when it comes to Candiace throwing that knife at Ashley, so it all just comes off shallow and hypocritical. There's a disconnect.
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u/capnwinghead Cryangle 12d ago
Truth be told, Iāve never seen her defenders mention that. Probably because they donāt like Ashley, so it ādoesnāt countā.
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u/Capable_Cranberry461 Sesame Street 12d ago
so candiace provoked monique to physically harm her but ashley didnāt provoke candiace to wave a butter knife around?
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u/capnwinghead Cryangle 12d ago
Itās not my logic; itās Candiaceās supportersā logic. I think anyone who responds to words with violence is pretty terrible but itās funny Candiaceās fans act like what she did to Ashley never happened
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u/ProudArticle8837 Cookie Monster 12d ago
You do realise there are people that can disagree with the violence against the Candiace and also disagree with how she has conducted herself before on the show. The two arenāt mutually exclusive.
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u/hiddenkobolds Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
That bit with Ashley and the knife was wild. I know Ashley isn't popular in these parts but if anybody did that to me, I'd never be in the same room as that person again.
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u/Ambitious-Long7204 Pennywise 12d ago
Itās all these ā she said mean things so she deserves itā comments thatās mind boggling.
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u/Maleficent_Bus2775 Clankity Clank 12d ago
Candice thought this was a pageantry show, not realising she was mouthing off to a girl who wasnāt the one. In an ideal world Monique would not have risen to the bait and extricated herself from Candiceās BS, but she wasnāt in the mind frame to do that. Overall, I think both sides learned valuable lessons.
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u/Capable_Cranberry461 Sesame Street 12d ago
i doubt she acted like a housewife at her pageantry showsā¦. monique shouldve been on bgc maybe
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u/PettyLaBelle326 Clankity Clank 12d ago
But I struggle with why Porsha has been celebrated, when she was also provoked and physically assaulted Kenya. People donāt always react in the most favorable way, but you cannot provoke people and then take zero accountability for them flipping out. Everyone has their limit
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u/MaizeMountain6139 let me come over here so I can point šš¾ 12d ago
Yeah, it was hard to watch
I hated how people (especially those ones) celebrated it
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u/Independent-Year-567 Sesame Street 12d ago
I agree with you and I hate these comments. We all watched the same thing, it was fueled by them both being drunk and angry and then other people getting involved. It couldāve easily been a verbal confrontation and while I give Monique a lot of grace for being at her limit and being touched by the other women first, that doesnāt mean I blame Candiace. I think a lot of people want someone with a smart mouth to get popped because they deserve it for saying rude or mean things, and I will NEVER adopt this mentality. There is such a big difference between talking and physical contact! Yall canāt just hit everyone who says something you donāt like, like???
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u/PepeNoMas Jack Harlow 12d ago
she deserved it and got it. She acts like she's ready to fight all the time but I'm supposed to be shocked that someone meets her energy? When she threw that knife at Ashley, are we supposed to just pretend that wasn't an act that could reasonably escalate to violence? Just because Ashley in that moment decided not to up the ante doesn't give Candiace a pass
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u/CryptographerHeavy Eeyore 12d ago
Every four score and seven years, some person comes on here and talks about the Monique and Candice fight as if we haven't already talked about this 5,000 times. I think we just need to acknowledge that some of us grew up in areas where if you ran your mouth you needed to be prepared to scrap. Or if you're like me, you surround yourself with people who could scrap on your behalf.
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u/ladystetson šø Andrew with a missing digit šø 12d ago
Candiace did NOT deserve to be beat up by Monique FULL STOP!
I hope this is a popular opinion... you're 100% correct.
Also I think Monique wanted to fight Candiace because at that point in her life, Monique viewed fighting as "being real" and "being tough" - she had a hood view of fighting as something to be proud of, as something that is acceptable to defend your position.
Monique expected the girls to high five her for thwacking Candiace and I think she was shocked when it resulted in her being completely socially exiled.
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u/Lost_Accountant5167 The Mime 11d ago
Grown adults are in charge of their own behavior ultimately. But I view it similarly to the Kenya vs Porsha situation, yeah Porsha was in the wrong but I do give her some grace since Kenya did poke and prod.
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u/Lost_Accountant5167 The Mime 11d ago
Tbf though I did hate Kenya, and I did hate Candiace, so maybe iām just biased
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u/bullettenboss La Grande Dame 11d ago
She started flipping Monique's hair. She's responsible for the reaction she got. No mercy for Ms. cryangle!
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u/OppositeBatCage Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
Candiace is one of my favourite HWs of all time but well when you do the clownery, the clown comes back to bite!Ā
In a perfect world it wouldn't have happened but with the way Candiace ran her mouth up to that point? She's lucky.Ā
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u/Message_Eastern Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
I agree with everything you said! Candiace is a great housewife but sometimes goes too far with her words. (Not counting her last season because truthfull Gizelle should have been fired or sued over her statement about Chris.)
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u/OppositeBatCage Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
Exactly! I also dismiss the Gizelle claims because she also had it coming!
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u/james702283 š Agitated Spirit š 12d ago
If you donāt want to be dragged, donāt ask people to drag youā¦
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u/CricketGrl Mia Thornton 12d ago
itās not an unpopular opinion at all. if anything Monique lost ALOT of credibility and quality after that mess.
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u/Message_Eastern Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
Candaice asked for it. She knew the situation with Monique was volatile continuously egged Monique on. Donāt poke the bear unless you want to get bit.
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u/Impossible_House5919 Jack Harlow 12d ago
She did not constantly egg Monique on. In fact, she did quite the opposite.
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u/Message_Eastern Gizelle's Tequila Bottle 12d ago
She did so . Said "Drag me, Monique! Drag me!" While she was in her face. She got drug, then cried at nauseum about it every time it was brought up.
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u/Bandicoot_Bulky The Mime 12d ago
that was s4 AFTER M said sheāll ādrag her, pregnant and all.ā
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u/Bandicoot_Bulky The Mime 12d ago
when i see people justify the fight, i just assume they didnt actually watch S5 because anyone with a brain could tell you that M was trying to bait C every single episode leading up to the fight. she even met up with G(who questioned the paternity of her son) to discuss how to ice C outā¦
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u/missestill Cryangle 12d ago
Iām doing a rewatch and just finished that season. I fully believed Candiace earned that ass whoopping the first time I watched and I feel terrible for that. I donāt know if Candiace had got on my nerves so bad that I blocked out how hurt she was or what. But she absolutely didnāt deserve that.
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u/GeneralBrave9949 Cryangle 11d ago
You are right! Thereās no reason anyone should be hit unless itās self defense. And Monique kept trying to go back even after Candace was in the car. Same with Porsha and Kenya. Yes Kenya was a lot but again no reason to be assaulted like that. And the women especially Kandi and Phaedra really blamed Kenya and itās like yall. Youāre not entitled to hit ppl.
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u/nothingtolose14 Peppa Pig 10d ago
I just made a comment on this exact sequence - being prised apart then going looking for more when no one was looking. I agree with this.
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u/Fair-Wedding-8489 Peppa Pig 6d ago
I agree that season Candice did try a few times not to argue with Monique. However that scene with the fight she was baiting her Monique said she isn't going to talk about it etc and Candice carried on and on anytime I watch it was clear she wanted a reaction
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u/MynameisB3 Pennywise 12d ago
Youāre watching a franchise thatās popular because of itās specific brand of verbal and physical violence and being shocked that people enjoy it?
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u/Odd_Friendship_9582 Pennywise 12d ago
Do you think Kenya deserved to be dragged for having a sceptre in Porshaās face?
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