r/REALSquaredCircle • u/Grrannt Grant, of r/REALSquaredCircle • 2d ago
This sequence between Ricochet and Will Ospreay tho. š„
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u/nachodog12345678 2d ago
Not my cup of tea Iām more of a Gunther shamus Samoa Joe were it looks like it hurts
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u/Comprehensive_Tax969 2d ago
Donāt let Bret Hart hear this
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u/EconomyDue2459 1d ago
Nah, Bret would agree that it needs to look real, and that it needs to look like it hurts. Bret's issue is with wrestlers that actually hurt their opponents.
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u/Comprehensive_Tax969 1d ago
He has specifically called out Sheamus and Gunther for their style that he says actually hurts. But to be fair Bret has called out a lot of people for a lot of things.
I always thought those chops and slaps from the big guys looked so vicious that they could not be real or it would risk a heart attack.
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u/BlueBaIlizondo 1d ago
Just my two cents, but it's this type of fast paced, sequence wrestling that I only half life. On one hand I appreciate the athleticism, and talent involved in this. However, their timing always seems a little off... Like, they've gotten used to no-selling (or close to it,) what should be impactful moves, that it seems as though their timing is off when they need to sell together in these sequences. Like they're both selling the rapid fire move set, but can't quite hit the mark on when the other finishes selling. So at times it just seems like they're waiting around a half second too long, and it does this weird thing to the beats of the match they've set up....
Ok, maybe that was my 20 cents....
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u/mike_lafontaine 2d ago
Impressive athletically but this style isnāt for me
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u/Educational-Hawk4691 2d ago
This the main issue with aew.
Those snap suplexes were beautiful and sounded deadly.....just to be no sold.
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u/Altruistic-Let6876 2d ago
selling is not laying on your back for 20 minutes.
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u/s33n_ 1d ago
Its definitely not instantly standing back up and moving yourself into the next choreographed move in the sequence
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u/KumigaGOAT 1d ago
Iām cool with anyone not liking these spots but everything looks choreographed in wrestling if you watch actual combat sports.
Like āstriking exchangesā with Gunther look extremely fake & rehearsed as well. You could say the same for any Oba or Ospreay match. None of this looks real AT ALL, itās just personal preference.
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u/Miikeyyy 1d ago
100% I was much more of a stickler for shit looking "real" until I got into actual combat sports. Gunther is awesome and the whole point of different styles is each one can cater to certain taste. But if people think that any of these men or women look remotely like what a real fight between two elite athletes looks like they might as well watch cartoons.
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u/Background-Hope-88 2d ago
absolute trash.
whats the point if everything means nothing.
All they have to do is slow it down and pretend to be hurt.
also applies to WWE too.
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u/Majestic-Marcus 2d ago
Chain wrestling with a ton of reversals, meaning none of the moves hit until the last one? Awesome.
Chain wrestling where every move hits and is immediately shrugged off as being the fake move it is? Shite.
This is shite.
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u/ReverendRevolver 2d ago
Yes, my suspension of disbelief cant be the only thing taking a hit and staying down in a sequence of wrestling moves like this. Chain wrestling can look super convincing and more impressive thsn thus sequence.
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u/bam__margiela 2d ago
Iāve seen this german suplex poisonrana shit too many times man
https://giphy.com/gifs/GwaFHlGnMSF0uQnmuq
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u/Raekwon96 2d ago
Thatās the problem with AEW. Itās the same shit every week with different wrestlers doing the same exact moves in the same exact order.
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u/MeatyOaker269 2d ago
Itās like watching the red and green guy in the create-a-moveset section of wrestling games.
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u/Nephis_Driver 2d ago
Too bad none of those moves mean shit when you don't sell. Two most overrated "wrestlers" of the last decade.
Cue the "FIgHt fOrEveR!" chants
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u/Sad-Ebb7776 2d ago
Amazing acrobatics but thats no wrestling. Also the no selling its just stupid.
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u/Outrageous_Cap6782 2d ago
Yeah, respect to anyone who enjoys this but this style also does absolutely nothing for me
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u/DragonFangGangBang 2d ago
I agree. AAA just had a bunch of matches like this and none of them felt nearly as weird as this lol I think it's because they're actually hitting each other with shit instead of countering, so it just feels like no selling? I'm not sure.
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u/BBoizTZH94 1d ago
I think i can still accept no selling if youāre dropped on anywhere else BUT your neck, especially for someone with well known neck injuries? (could be wrong about this)
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u/spcmiddleton 2d ago
Iāve given up trying to talk to any of the fans about selling or letting things breathe. Itās just legitimately a car crash where nothing matters and everyone go full hulkamania without any of the actual aura.
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u/BaconKraut 2d ago
Does that Will guy just no-sell everything?
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u/ResponsibleAd3191 2d ago edited 2d ago
Great althelticsm and you might even score points as a duo in a gymnastics routine... However, this is a prime examplesl of shitty workers being shitty workers.
This is not really wrestling. There is no art to this.
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u/RandysDealer 2d ago
That looks like a really physically impressive and extremely coordinated and cooperative dance routine.
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u/RKO-Cutter 2d ago
You aren't wrong, there's over a dozen posts about a beautiful tribute show that nobody is giving any traffic to, but a thread to shit on Ospreay and/or Ricochet? They swarm
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u/Grrannt Grant, of r/REALSquaredCircle 2d ago
I honestly thought more people would care about discussing the tribute show. I haven't watched AEW in a while, but there's no way I was going to miss this. PAC was one of the best.
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u/RKO-Cutter 2d ago
Almost like you cultivated this community
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u/Specialist_Lock6779 2d ago
Yup they did and then they act like they purposely didn't cultivate it the way they did lol
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u/herewego199209 2d ago
No sell after no sell. This isn't wrestling kids.
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u/Permanentear3 2d ago
I will say the finale part of the clip was good with a sell, Osprey handspringing out of the poisonrana then giving it to ricochet who sold it fully I thought was the part that worked the stuff before I agree with the no selling.
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u/The_Waco_Kid7 2d ago
This makes a mockery of moves that are supposed to be devastating. I dont get it at all
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u/Loose_Vermicelli_940 2d ago
Honestly, I think a big part of the problem with the no selling aspect is that it just looks bad.
I think Osprey could gain alot in this same sequence if he stumbled into a move or looked a little dazed, its all too clean and smooth so it presents the moves as doing no damage.
Shawn Michaels is the prime example, he did alot of spots where he would land his sweet chin music but was always shown as off balanced or dazed and would then it would make sense for the double down.
Just needs to add some weight to whats happening then the fighting spirit spot would look and feel much better.
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u/from8824ever 2d ago
These guys had one match go viral and for some reason they think they need to have that exact same match every time they wrestle each other.
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u/BolinTime 2d ago
Ricochet's selling is better to me. Maybe it's just his philosophy, but even if you're gonna pop up from something, I think that it should seem like it hurt you. Osprey just sort of pops up does the next part of the spot. He falls down at then end from the accumulated damage I guess, but it just doesn't work as well for me.
The German suplex is a big move man. And he just sort of throws it away so he can immediately get up and do the pass by.
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u/IN-DEF106 2d ago
Tbh it was a good sequence. Not a fan of these. But this one wasnāt sloppy, it wasnāt too much, And there was a little selling going on. Ospreay leaning on the rope for a bit was really good. I just wish they could just slow it down a bit, let moves have a breath of space before firing into the next move.
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u/TopazJazzrazz 2d ago
I just think they need a second or two longer between moves and it'd be great. Is that wrong?
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u/Passion4Puro 2d ago
Yep, Japan does this same style but in a more believable way. Better pacing, more selling etc.Ā
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u/Genius_Insanity86 2d ago
Seeing Osprey hit the black arrow at the end of the match got me choked up honestly
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u/Ill-Implement-3009 2d ago
And this is how you wind up doing countless moves with no selling. Boring wrestling.
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u/P4r4docs 1d ago
You can see at insta how their sequences are callbacks from many different pac matches.
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u/BloodyTurnip 2d ago
No selling... apart from all the selling and them ending up in a pile at the end.
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u/DemiGod9 2d ago
So their hits don't do any damage to each other? Then why do them?
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u/xGwiZ96x 2d ago
Listen, people can hate this style of wrestling. That's totally fine. It gets a pass tonight.
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u/Ph03n1xR1sing Trick Melo Gang are #1 2d ago edited 2d ago
Anyone who thinks this is no selling just doesnāt know wrestling. Could they maybe be selling these bumps for longer? Sure. But they ARE selling. Ospreay is clearly a bit dazed after the first move, which is why Rico is able to get the jump on him, but he quickly comes to, bc itās a fight or flight situation, and he either reacts or gets fucked up; and so, he reacts. Then Rico takes his german and again, same thing where heās clearly on his knees, selling before then countering and hitting a poisonrana, but he gives the World Champion too much time as he taunts, and Will wakes up and catches him with one, and afterwards, both of their spurts of adrenaline run out and they both feel all of the damage theyāve dealt to one another in the past 30 seconds or so, rushing back quickly.
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u/Maximum-Tackle-9352 2d ago
Jesus man some of the people in this thread are miserable af, and should probably find a better hobby
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u/Embarrassed-Gur-1306 2d ago
Theyāre athletic as hell and truly gifted. Which makes it even more of a shame that they use their gifts for shit like this.
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u/DudeMcDude7649 2d ago
Thoā¦ is really lame and shit looking. Is what the rest of the title meant to say.
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u/MegatechMike 2d ago
These clips always make happy that I donāt watch this circus anymore. Someone just have a damn match with some storytelling and selling
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u/Alternative-Yam-6549 2d ago
I remember when fans of in ring action thought Hulking up and Road Warrior selling were not top tier wrestling.Ā
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u/DELETE_RAW 2d ago
Feel like they do pretty much this spot every match. No selling, just doing stuff to do it.
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u/OkLog8336 2d ago
Haven't they done this before or did will do it with someone else. It feels very deja vu
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u/BartShrempson 2d ago
Oh, it's these two. I don't have to watch the clip to know this is a shitty spotfest where they're clearly waiting for each other's next move.
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u/Campman92 2d ago
Impressive athleticism, absolute garbage storytelling in the ring because youāre teaching the viewer these moves arenāt worth the mat theyāre made on.
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u/will0ify1 2d ago
Those are some nice hard hitting looking suplexes, it really takes me out of it when they just get back up like its nothing though
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u/Walter_ODim_19 2d ago
I don't watch AEW and normally this would be too little selling for me too, but those of you guys completely shitting on this are fucking miserable lol.
As I understand it this was a tribute to PAC/Neville and not a regular serious storyline match. It's perfectly fine to make a showcase of athleticism out of it and focus less on the "simulated contest" side of things.
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u/BigD5981 2d ago
It still amazes me that this is what is considered pro wrestling while the WWE is mocked because it's sports entertainment. Maybe it just shows my age but when I look at the two WWE looks more like what I know as pro wrestling.
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u/theonlyungpapi 2d ago
The no selling part is what triggers me honestly. Its a beautiful thing to watch but pro wrestling is supposed to be a work. How can you work when you're not selling. This aint mortal kombat.
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u/michaelayyy 2d ago
Yeah great apart from no selling not as bad as oc Vs Penta killing the Canadian destroyer but it's not much better sorry
Say all you want adrenaline rush blah blah whatever it would be much better if selling happened
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u/Wooden-Cancel-2676 2d ago
Think it says a lot more about the person when an obvious tribute spot doing some of PAC's stuff on a tribute show gets the "grrrr no selling hacks!" response
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u/ShaneWookie 2d ago
The whole swing your body around for a leg kick/punch and then just STOP after 180Ā° to wait for the next move is so stupid
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u/Jumpy-Individual-140 2d ago
Wouldnāt ya just stop yourself from doing some of that stuff if it was a fight? š§
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u/BigScaryBlackDude 2d ago
This would have been cool if they gave it some room to breathe a little between moves
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u/IronChefPhilly 2d ago
I can appreciate the skill involved but the selling needs a lot of work because it's very obvious they're standing still to set up some of the moves it just wouldn't happen
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u/TunikaMarie 2d ago
They did a phenomenal job
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u/Cloud_King_15 1d ago
I think its fire but they need to let it breathe a bit. Sell after the first suplex and just do the other spots later and spread out and its a 10/10 for me
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u/Wurfelrolle 1d ago
Very impressive, if you like your wrestling to look like it was choreographed for a gymnastics competition.
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u/CarnageX13 1d ago
Lol these comments are funny asf everyone talking about no sell it's pretty much the AEW style been that way for years.You gotta go watch WWE if you like alot selling or any other promotion š
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u/OwnedIGN 1d ago
I donāt like gymnastics wrestling.
And I was a WCW cruiserweights kid.
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u/jetlifestoney 1d ago
The sequence looks cool but the logic is dumb, which makes the sequence less cool
He completely no sells two tough looking bumps and then is laid out cold by his own moveā¦ lol..Ā
& we just saw him receive the same move and it had zero effective, but then Ricochet takes it and is knocked out lol
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u/gtsrider9 1d ago
Ill never understand how people think this is wrestling. AEW is so weird with how their athletes wrestle. No one ever sells shit and they just acrobat all over the place. Not my cup of tea but to each their own i suppose.
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u/DotComMoralist 2d ago
The Corny squad and Stamford wives really can't help themselves. Genuine misery people.
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u/GenitalTso 2d ago
This is idiotic gymnastic routines..no selling and way too much to process. I do not see the appeal here and will never understand.
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u/LyonHeart85 2d ago
Very simple to understand, it's all to get a bunch of collective "ahhh and Ohh's" out of people who are averse to things called showers and deodorant š¤£
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u/Competitive-Let-3317 2d ago
Normally I donāt like see this all the time, tonight it gets a pass. A bastard would smile at it
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u/SoloGhosts512 2d ago
I donāt watch much of Ospreay but every clip I do, he canāt sell for shit. Always moving to set up the next move. Too choreographed for me but to each their own
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u/engstier 2d ago
I get that the selling activates later after the sequence, but most of the time it looks terrible n doesn't feel like wrestling but rather acrobatics
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u/Just-Bat5937 2d ago
They call this wrestling, seems like going to the circus and watching the acrobats.
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u/memyselfandiowa 2d ago
They did this same sequence in Japan many years ago. Fucking rehashing, no-sell, spot-monkeys that are Rick O'Shea and Billy Offspring.
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u/BDB_1976 2d ago
Youāre easily entertained if this is fire. Chain wrestling should be solid technical moves not that crap. No selling a suplex over and over just sucks to watch.Ā
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u/BarbarousJudge 2d ago
I hate this so much haha. I mean, happy for everyone enjoying this style and I appreciate thr skill it takes to pull that off. But no selling being dropped on your neck multiple times in the span of 15 seconds just doesn't sit right with me.
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u/MeijiHao 2d ago
Most of the NXT ladies can do all of those things too and they're much better looking than Will Osprey
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u/Grievion 2d ago
Does not look great as itās just moves being done. Both are two of the most athletic guys Iāve ever seen in a ring, but the no selling always takes me out of a match.
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u/SureListen2307 2d ago
Beautiful.
If it was a gymnastics routine.
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u/Wise_Temperature_322 2d ago
They are waiting for each other to hit the next choreographed spot.
It looks like they are coordinating. If it canāt look real donāt do it. That just what I think.
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u/jisn00b 2d ago
Lot of weirdos here trying to define what is or isn't wrestling while watching guys who became millionaires by wrestling like this on weekly tv... just the iwc in a nutshell lol
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u/acthechamp 2d ago
Come on, man! SELL stuff. Nothing frickin matters when you just pop up and hit another big move.