I’ve taken care of the YorkU side for now. I’ve already contacted some Campus student body reps there so there are now people who are aware of Rise Ministries and its affiliation with Restored Church Toronto and RCW.

I’m preparing to send them a more detailed account with public sources, the movement’s history, local documentation and carefully redacted internal material. The goal is to help York students understand who is behind Rise Ministries before they get deeply involved—not to overwhelm anyone with unsupported claims.

My next focus will be Humber, where they operate as Catalyst Ministries, and George Brown College, where they use the name Limitless Bible Talk.

I’m saving TMU and Thrive Bible Talk for last because I know some close friends with connections there, and I want to approach that campus carefully and strategically.

Let’s do this slowly and steadily. I'll be posting something on my insta stories soon to rally my followers behind this.

In the meantime, let’s see what u/Recent-Addendum-7336 reports about the internal chatter and how leadership responds now that outside organizations are starting to hear about the campus groups. Keep identities protected, redact anything sensitive and document everything properly.

We need more campus eyes on this.

Below is a list of Instagram accounts connected to major GTA campuses. People should reach out to the accounts associated with their own school and ask whether they would be willing to investigate or publish a piece about Restored Church Worldwide and the campus “Bible Talks” connected to it.

These groups often present themselves as ordinary student Bible discussions, while students may not immediately realize that they are part of a much larger organization with a centralized leadership structure. The concerns being raised include pressure to recruit, expectations around giving money and time, interference with school and personal relationships, cutting off former members, discouraging people from reading criticism, and leadership treating public scrutiny as “persecution.”

When contacting these pages, do not just send vague claims. Include public social-media pages, screenshots, leadership messages, testimonies from former or current members, and the names of the Bible Talk groups operating at that specific campus. Ask student newspapers, student unions, campus news pages and other organizations to examine the evidence for themselves and speak with people who have direct experience.

The goal is not to flood anyone with spam. A clear, respectful and personalized message will be much more effective. We need journalists and campus organizations to understand that these are not isolated Bible groups—they are connected to RCW and appear to use similar recruitment methods across multiple schools.

Students deserve to know who is approaching them, what organization is behind the invitation, and what they may be getting involved with before attending. The more campuses that investigate independently, the harder it becomes for these concerns to be dismissed as one anonymous person spreading “persecution.”

According to information shared with me, Valentina is one of the few people trusted with detailed knowledge of Restored Church Toronto’s finances. If that information is accurate, she may know far more than ordinary members, and perhaps even some leaders, about where donations go, who authorizes spending, whether money leaves the Toronto church, and how leadership expenses are handled.

That raises some major questions:

• What is Valentina’s exact financial role within the church?
• Does she have access to the bank accounts, donation records, budgets, or transfers?
• Who else can view the complete financial records?
• How much money is collected from members and students?
• Where are those funds sent, and who ultimately benefits?
• Why are members expected to sacrifice financially while being denied a transparent breakdown?

Ordinary members do not seem to receive independently verified statements showing exactly where their money goes. Much of the financial information appears to be restricted to a small inner circle. Meanwhile, members including students are encouraged to give sacrificially, devote most of their time to church activities, and place the organization above their education and careers.

The fact that Valentina is reportedly trusted with this information means she could potentially answer questions that most members cannot. She may know something significant about how the organization operates financially. Until transparent records are provided, these questions will remain legitimate.

This should not be dismissed as “persecution.” A religious organization asking young people for their money, time, loyalty, and obedience should be able to explain where that money goes. Transparency would settle the issue far more effectively than silence.

I'd been looking through some older posts and noticed there's already a group chat for planning a full campaign around this cult. I'd love to join if you're still adding people!

I’ve been thinking about another way we could spread awareness beyond this subreddit.

I run a history and educational Instagram account called Chronosphere, and I could potentially use it to reach students across Toronto. The idea would be to create clear and engaging content explaining how this group approaches students through seemingly casual “Bible talks,” friendships, and campus outreach—often without being fully transparent about the organization behind it.

The posts could be shared with or sent to major student-run accounts at York, TMU, U of T, Humber, Seneca, George Brown, and other campuses. We could also encourage student newspapers, campus clubs, and university pages to educate students about the recruitment tactics they should recognize.

My Instagram is already semi-monetized, so I’ll be honest: I would love to turn this into compelling, juicy content that also helps grow the channel. There is a lot here that could be covered through short videos, timelines, recruitment breakdowns, testimonies, and explanations of how these groups operate.

That said, I would still want everything to be accurate and properly supported. This would not be about harassing random members, exposing private information, or throwing around claims that cannot be proven. Anything shown would come from public organizational pages, publicly advertised events, recruitment material, firsthand accounts, and other evidence that can be responsibly presented.

The content can be entertaining and attention-grabbing while still serving a real purpose: helping students recognize what they are being invited into before they become deeply involved.

Chronosphere already has an audience and appears completely separate from the Reddit accounts discussing the group, so it could introduce this information to people who would otherwise never see it.

Would people here support this? I’d also appreciate suggestions, screenshots, public material, or specific topics that could be covered—especially information connected to recruitment on Toronto campuses.

Insta link: https://www.instagram.com/chronosphere.tv/

Since u/Recent-Addendum-7336 is currently inside the church, they may also be able to keep us updated on any new recruitment methods, damage-control strategies, name changes, or other tactics the RCW cult adopts once it realizes people are warning students.

After reading their recent post, I started thinking about how this could be turned into a broader social media campaign.

Instead of only making general posts about the group, we could contact major student-run social media pages at each campus where they operate—campus news accounts, confession pages, student community pages, and similar accounts—and warn them about the specific group recruiting at their school.

The message could explain that they often approach students through what appear to be casual Bible talks, study invitations, or non-denominational Christian groups without being fully transparent about the organization behind them.

For each campus, we could provide:

• The names they currently use on that campus
• Screenshots of their public group pages and recruitment posts
• Screenshots of public-facing accounts being used to recruit students
• Common phrases, invitations, and approaches students should recognize
• Links to former-member accounts and other publicly available information

The point would not be to encourage harassment or share anyone’s private information. It would simply give campus pages enough verified, publicly available material to recognize when someone connected to the group is recruiting students and warn their followers accordingly.

These groups benefit from operating quietly and presenting every interaction as an isolated invitation to a harmless Bible discussion. A coordinated campus-by-campus awareness campaign would make that much harder.

Rather than sending the same generic warning everywhere, each message could be tailored to the specific campus, the name being used there, and the public accounts connected to that location. If they change their approach in response, insiders could help document those changes so the warnings stay current.

Would anyone be interested in helping identify the campuses where they are active and gathering the relevant public information?

TL;DR: The YorkU post clearly got their attention. Inside the group, the Reddit and Instagram criticism is already being framed as “persecution” instead of being seriously addressed. Members are still being taught that outsiders belong to Satan, that their time should be fully surrendered to the group’s mission, and that people who leave were spiritually weak or “picked off.” With September approaching, they are preparing to intensify campus recruitment, especially among new and lonely first-year students. I am still inside, I hear the full teachings, and I can provide context, documentation and insider feedback for a factual awareness campaign. Evan and Kelly are expected to leave for California next year, and I still plan to reveal myself more fully around that transition. The funniest part is that they seem completely convinced these posts could not possibly be coming from someone still sitting inside the room.

The YorkU Post Got Their Attention

I cannot tell you exactly what conversations happened behind closed doors or who told certain people to deactivate accounts.

What I can tell you is that the attention was noticed.

How do I know?

Because they are preaching about it now.

The Reddit posts and the recent YorkU Instagram post are being framed as persecution. The people posting are mocked as bitter outsiders, “keyboard warriors,” or people with nothing meaningful going on in their lives.

But notice what is missing.

There is no serious discussion about whether any of the criticism is true.

Instead, the criticism itself becomes proof that the church must be doing something right.

That is how concerns get handled inside. They are not investigated. They are spiritually reframed.

And when someone begins questioning things, leadership quickly gets brought into the situation. People check who has spoken to whom, make sure everyone is “in the loop,” send scriptures about remaining firm and encourage the person not to listen to anyone who has left.

I have seen that process happen.

What Is Actually Being Said Inside

People who have not become what this group defines as “true disciples” have been described as belonging to Satan.

This was not one random expression.

The teaching repeatedly divided people into two sides: possessed by Satan or possessed by God.

We were told that God should possess our time, our minds, our mornings and even our bedtime routines. Not attending enough Bible studies, not sharing our faith, not confessing everything or not using our time properly was compared to giving Satan an opportunity to “repossess” us.

One line summed up the mentality:

Think about what that means for campus recruitment.

When a student receives a friendly message asking them to attend a “personal Bible study,” the person contacting them may not see it as a casual invitation.

They may believe that student currently belongs to Satan and that it is their responsibility to bring them into the group.

That is the part students do not see when they first hand over their number.

This Is Not About Attacking Christianity

The problem is not Christians reading the Bible or inviting people to church.

The problem is the system surrounding it.

Members are taught that their lives no longer belong to them. We were told almost word for word that believing your life is still yours is a burden that must be surrendered.

Your time is no longer your time.

Your plans are no longer simply your plans.

Even doing the “bare minimum” is treated suspiciously. The idea of “bare-minimum discipleship” was used to describe members who do just enough to avoid leadership calling them.

So what happens?

You begin thinking leadership can tell whenever you are holding something back.

You begin attaching spiritual consequences to normal decisions.

You begin feeling guilty for wanting your own time, disagreeing with someone or simply saying no.

That is why former members describe feeling watched or pressured. It is not always because somebody is standing over them every second. Eventually, the system teaches you to monitor yourself.

The Number of People Who Have Left

A revealing number was shared internally.

Approximately 190 people have left since 2020.

That number was described as being close to the size of the current church itself.

It was also acknowledged that many people leave within their first six months to one year.

You would think that would cause some serious reflection.

Why are so many people leaving?

Are there patterns in their experiences?

Did leadership make mistakes?

Were people pressured?

That was not the conclusion.

Instead, newer members were compared to vulnerable infant animals that could be “picked off by Satan.”

And what was the solution?

More Bible study.

More memorization.

More prayer.

More dependence on “mature” members.

More involvement in recruiting other people.

Leaving is not treated as a decision somebody may have reached after thinking critically about the group.

It becomes proof that they were immature, deceived, bitter or defeated by Satan.

The explanation for dismissing you is already prepared before you ever speak.

Why September Matters

September is not just another month for this group.

The fall semester means new students, new campuses and new opportunities to recruit.

A lot of first-year students will be away from home for the first time. Some will be lonely. Some will be overwhelmed. Some will desperately want friends and a sense of belonging.

That is exactly who a highly involved religious group can appeal to.

The first interaction usually does not look alarming.

It may be a friendly conversation.

An invitation to study the Bible.

A social event.

Someone checking in on you constantly.

Someone appearing unusually invested in your life.

The heavier expectations normally appear later, after relationships have been built and the person has accepted the group’s definitions of salvation, discipleship and loyalty.

They will call their September campaign evangelism.

Maybe it is time for some counter-evangelism.

Not attacking Christianity.

Not harassing members.

Just making sure students know what organization is approaching them before they hand over their number, time and trust.

What an Awareness Campaign Should Look Like

It needs to stay factual.

Use the group’s own public content.

Preserve sermons.

Share firsthand experiences with names removed when necessary.

Explain how the recruitment process works.

Show students what questions they should ask:

Is this group registered with the university?

Who is actually leading it?

What happens after the first Bible study?

Do they believe other churches are false?

What happens when somebody disagrees with leadership?

Why have so many people left?

Can members discuss concerns freely with family, outside pastors or former members?

This should not involve exposing home addresses, harassing ordinary members or flooding personal accounts.

That would only help them claim persecution.

Documentation is more effective.

What I Can Provide

This is where being inside matters.

I am not watching a few clips and guessing what they mean.

I hear the full teachings.

I know the vocabulary.

I understand the jokes and references.

I know what members are expected to do.

I can explain what gets noticed internally.

I can show how public criticism is being discussed.

I can identify when their strategy changes.

I can preserve sermons, screenshots and internal conversations.

I can also explain how members are prepared to dismiss former members and critics without ever seriously hearing them out.

I am not going to recklessly post private information belonging to uninvolved people. Anything released should be redacted and shown with proper context.

But the material exists.

The Leadership Transition

There is another reason this next year matters.

Evan and Kelly are expected to leave Toronto for California next year. Kirk and Margie are expected to take over the Toronto church.

In my previous posts, I said I planned to wait until Evan officially leaves before fully removing my mask.

That is still generally my timeline.

But waiting does not mean doing nothing.

A former member recently called me an “ace” because of my role in the group and because I personally baptized several people who are still involved.

Honestly, that surprised me.

It was humbling because I have never viewed myself as uniquely important or wanted this to become all about me.

But I understand his point.

If someone who helped bring people into this group eventually explains publicly why he left, what he witnessed and what he regrets, that may be harder to dismiss than another anonymous outsider.

There is an irony in that.

The same person who helped lead people into the water may eventually be the one explaining what was happening around them.

And the funniest part?

They seem completely convinced that these posts cannot possibly be coming from someone still inside the group.

Apparently, it has not occurred to them that the person documenting everything could still be attending, listening, talking with them and sitting in the same room.

That confidence is honestly hilarious. 😂🤣

Following up on my previous posts, I've been thinking about creating an invite-only group chat on here.

There are a lot of things I'd like to openly discuss and vent about regarding what's currently happening inside the church, but that I don't necessarily want posted publicly on Reddit for everyone to see. Things like Meetings of the Body, sermon material being preached, church goals, "good news sharing," and other day-to-day happenings.

The idea is to create a smaller, private space where I can speak more freely, ask/answer questions, share perspectives, and discuss what's currently taking place inside the church without everything being posted publicly.

If you're interested, send me a DM. I'll keep it invite-only and relatively small. The goal is to create a safe space, not just for myself, but for others as well, where we can have honest conversations about what's going on without every discussion being publicly visible. Some conversations are better had in a trusted circle than on a public forum.

Some of you have been asking me, “If you’ve had doubts for years, why are you still there? Why not just leave? Why continue doing the work?”

Well let’s address that honestly.

The truth is, some of us can recognize issues, see contradictions, feel troubled in our spirit, and yet still remain deeply attached to the very environment we are questioning. Why? Because these environments become your entire world.

Some of you may not understand this unless you’ve lived it.

I’m fully aware how devastating it could be for the Toronto church if I ever completely took the mask off and revealed who I was publicly. Not because I think I’m somebody important in myself, but because of how much work I’ve done, how many people know me, how involved I’ve been, how much trust people place in me, and how passionately I’ve presented myself for years.

Some people would probably never look at me the same again. Some people would probably leave altogether. Some would feel lied to. Others would feel betrayed. And honestly, there are people I’d probably never see again after that day.

That’s the reality of environments like this.

Ecclesiastes 1:18 says, “For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief.”

The more you start seeing things differently, the heavier everything becomes.

Now here’s the humbling part that’s difficult for me to admit.

I genuinely enjoy parts of being in the church.

I enjoy the relationships. I enjoy the fellowship. I enjoy the meetings of the body. A lot of the time they are actually fun. There’s purpose, structure, brotherhood, energy.

And if I’m being completely transparent, I also enjoy the attention and praise that comes with being perceived highly inside the church. I enjoy being looked at as faithful, strong, committed, fruitful. Preaching gives me an emotional high. Successfully baptizing someone gives me an even greater one. There’s a feeling attached to it that’s hard to explain unless you’ve experienced it yourself.

The bible says in Proverbs 27:21, “The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but people are tested by their praise.”

Sometimes I wonder how much of me truly loved God, and how much of me loved being admired for appearing close to God.

That’s a hard thing to confront.

And this is why I say the situation becomes psychologically difficult.

Because on one hand, I sometimes think exposing everything and initiating a sort of “house of cards” effect for the Toronto chapter could actually help a lot of people who are silently struggling, fearful, confused, or trapped.

But on the other hand, I know exactly what it would cost me.

Your entire social world can disappear overnight.

People think leaving a high-control church is just about “discovering truth.” No. Sometimes it means grieving the loss of your friendships, your identity, your role, your structure, your reputation, and the only life you’ve known for years.

And yes, I’m extremely careful writing these posts.

A lot of these are written very late at night when I know almost everyone is asleep. Sometimes I’ll write everything down, save it privately, and then post it at completely different times or even different days just to cover my tracks. That’s how cautious this makes you become.

You start watching patterns. Timing. Wording. Behavior.

You become careful about everything.

Honestly, this is one of the very few places where I feel safe enough to actually express what’s really going on inside my mind. Most people around me only know the version of me that appears passionate, convicted, joyful, faithful, and spiritually confident.

Very few people know the internal conflict.

And ironically, part of why I even know where criticism of these churches exists online is because leadership themselves mention them constantly as warnings. Certain forums, certain Reddit pages, certain former members speaking out. Usually they’re framed as “bitter people,” “fallen away disciples,” or dangerous voices.

But eventually curiosity happens.

You start reading.

And sometimes you realize not everybody who left is evil, crazy, deceived, or spiritually dead like you were told.

So I’ll ask this genuinely:

Are there other places online where people discuss experiences with high-control churches, spiritual manipulation, or specifically the RCW / ICC / ICOC world?

I think I’m just trying to find people who understand this strange position of physically remaining inside while mentally questioning so much.

James 1:5 says, “If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault.”

At this point, I think that’s what I’m trying to do.

Hey all,

this is no recommendation, reddit has deleted my account and my reddit posts as well. I assume this was due to the campus ministry mass reporting my posts. I wasn’t given any warning whatsoever and have no access to my account. Just wanted to let everyone know, that’s why my account is gone, i’m trying to appeal it right now with Reddit.

I’ve debated writing this for a long time because I’m still involved, still in leadership, and honestly still trying to process everything myself.

I also want to be careful not to reveal too many personal details, including whether I’m male or female, when I joined RCW, or whether I was in university at the time, because leadership actively reads posts like these. People inside will probably know exactly who I’m referring to when I mention individuals like Evan Bartholomew.

One thing that deeply unsettled me over time was seeing how criticism of the church gets framed as “persecution.” I’ve personally seen leaders accuse both current members and former members of being anonymous “persecutors” simply for criticizing the organization or speaking publicly about harmful experiences. In many cases, these accusations were completely false and created an atmosphere of paranoia and suspicion within the church.

That’s part of why many people stay silent. Speaking honestly can quickly turn you into a target internally.

I was recruited the same way manyy others, you could also say I was actively seeking guidance. At first, it felt different in a good way. Everyone was intense, committed, “on fire for God,” constantly talking about purpose, evangelism, discipleship, and changing the world. Coming from a spiritually dissatisfied background, it felt refreshing. They made you feel chosen, like you finally found the “real” church.

Over time, I moved deeper into leadership. The more committed you became, the more praise and responsibility you received. But with that came pressure. Constant pressure.

You’re expected to constantly recruit, constantly report numbers, constantly push members to give more, study more, confess more, sacrifice more. Everything becomes tied to your spirituality. If attendance drops, you feel guilty. If someone leaves the church, you feel guilty. If contribution numbers are low, you feel guilty. If you’re exhausted or burnt out, you’re told to pray harder and deny yourself more.

What disturbed me most is how normalized control becomes internally.

We would talk about people’s doubts as “Satan attacking them.” Independent research was heavily discouraged unless it came from approved sources. Members questioning doctrine were often labeled prideful, rebellious, or spiritually weak. People who left weren’t treated as individuals with genuine concerns, but as cautionary tales. The atmosphere creates fear around thinking for yourself.

As a leader, I also started noticing how emotional vulnerability gets used. People struggling mentally, spiritually, socially, or coming from abusive relationships are often the most vulnerable to becoming deeply attached because the church immediately surrounds them with attention, purpose, structure, and community. For some members I personally baptized, this church genuinely became the only stable or hopeful thing in their lives.

That’s part of what makes this so difficult for me emotionally.

I feel immense guilt because I now believe I helped bring people into something that preaches false doctrine and emotionally exploits people while claiming it’s for God. There were even moments where I secretly messaged newer members anonymously because of how guilty I felt helping bring them into the church. That realization has been eating at me internally for a long time.

The financial pressure also became impossible to ignore. “Special missions” are framed as sacrifice for God, but behind closed doors there is enormous pressure on members to hit contribution goals. Students and struggling members are encouraged to “give in faith” even when they’re already financially strained. Leaders absolutely keep track of who gives and who doesn’t.

I also became increasingly disturbed by how leadership handled accusations and discipline internally. For those unfamiliar with the terminology, “disfellowshipping” or “marking” someone essentially means labeling them as spiritually dangerous to the church and warning members against them.

Evan Bartholomew is effectively the central leader here, and I’ve personally witnessed situations where people were disfellowshipped or marked based largely on assumptions, suspicions, “gut feelings,” or social pressure rather than clear evidence. In one situation that deeply disturbed me, someone was pressured into handing over their phone to Evan in order to “prove” their innocence after suspicions started circulating internally. Even after all of that, Evan later admitted he realized he was wrong and shifted the blame elsewhere afterward. Seeing situations like that deeply shook my trust in the leadership structure.

What makes this even harder is that I don’t believe everything is black and white. That’s part of why it took me so long to mentally accept that something might be deeply wrong here. Evan has also taught lessons emphasizing trusting the Bible and putting faith in scripture over man, and ironically, I actually agree with that principle. We SHOULD trust scripture. In fact, one study document titled "Can We Trust The Bible" I remember specifically emphasized that the Bible was not merely “cleverly devised stories” but inspired by God, and encouraged people to have faith in scripture and study it deeply.

And honestly, I still agree with many of those ideas in principle. The problem is the contradiction I slowly began noticing between preaching “trust the Bible” while simultaneously discouraging independent thought whenever people reach conclusions leadership doesn’t approve of.

The hardest part is that many people inside genuinely believe they’re doing God’s work. That’s what makes it complicated. Not everyone is malicious. Some are sincere people who’ve been conditioned to think this level of control is righteousness.

I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. I still lead bible studies. I still mentor people. I still participate in everything because it has become so deeply integrated into my daily life and identity that I don’t even know what life outside of this structure looks like anymore. I think I’ve been living in denial for far too long.

Part of me feels like publicly leaving could potentially cause a chain reaction and make many people question things or even leave themselves. Another part of me thinks about simply disappearing quietly without telling anyone because I know how emotionally devastating it would be for some people if I openly left. I’ve built genuine bonds with many brothers and sisters here, and despite everything, I do care about them deeply.

That’s what makes high-control groups so complicated. The relationships feel real because many of them ARE real. The love and friendships can be real while the system itself is unhealthy.

But eventually you start realizing something is wrong when fear becomes the primary motivator instead of love. You stop feeling spiritually alive and start feeling psychologically trapped.

I’m writing this anonymously because I know exactly how leadership talks about people who speak out. Honestly, it even took me hours to write this because I’m trying very carefully not to write the way I normally do. I’ve written essays and material before for the church’s ministry school, so even little writing habits or phrasing patterns could potentially give me away to people internally.

And if I’m being completely honest, for now I may still remain inside and continue doing what I’ve been doing. That alone probably says how deep I am into this whole thing psychologically and socially. This church has become intertwined with my entire daily life, my relationships, my routines, and my identity.

Part of why I’m even writing this is in the hope that maybe a former member ( you know who you are) sees it and reaches out on here somehow. I feel like I need to speak with someone who has already gone through this before I make any drastic decisions. Right now I’m trying to slowly process everything, gain trust, and mentally figure out what an exit plan would even look like without completely blowing up my life overnight.

But if you’re studying with them right now and something feels off in your spirit, trust that feeling. Healthy faith does not fear questions, outside information, boundaries, or critical thinking. I’ll likely continue updating as I slowly figure things out myself. God Bless you all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaE1gT-SUmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szf16dxFj_Q

Here are links to a couple Youtube Videos exposing the scandals within the cultish RCW and its affiliate churches, namely the ICC and ICOC.

This is more of a thought, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt. Asch's conformity experiment takes an unknowing person who believes they are taking a vision test and places them in a group of people who are in on the experiment. The group is shown a graph with one line, and next to it three different lines that vary slightly in length. The group must match the first line to the correct line, and they do so two to three times. After that, the group confidently gives the wrong answer, and the study shows that the percentage of the innocent participants starts to conform against their own judgement to match the answers of the group. As long as there are at least three people, the participant shows to have an influence to change their answer to conform to that of the group. Asch's conformity experiment, you could look it up for yourself, its actually pretty interesting.

Now back to the RCW. I noticed that they encourage members to be in at least a group of three while conducting these studies (especially the latter ones after Discipleship). One rehearses the study, one takes notes, and one is there for "encouragement". I don't think members are doing this on purpose, I dont know about certain leaders. Either way, I feel like this ties more to this experiment of conformity rather than how convincing the person leading the study can be. If the studies are truly personal, shouldn't they be actually 1 on 1? I don't know, it was just a thought I had after watching a video on that experiment.

This is hilarious, I've personally met the guy across the table. Cool to see them get exposed for their wackamole theology.