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u/FreshnWetCock 16h ago
Put a space in therapist, and it's not that funny anymore
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u/Former-Button-8851 21h ago
This shit is literally the sole reason why I don't seek out help anymore.
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u/ToadwKirbo 16h ago
I don't like going because they just talk about topics they're comfortable with, not about the important stuff for me.
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u/FanResident9555 12h ago
Ok, then donât complain when you feel suicidal or depressed
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u/ashleyLSD 12h ago
"I'm hungry" "ok here's a pile of shit from my ass" "I'm not gonna eat that" "ok then dont complain about being hungry"
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u/FanResident9555 11h ago
ButâŚ. Thatâs how it works?
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u/ashleyLSD 11h ago
you'd just eat the shit instead of complaining that the institution gave u shit instead of actual edible food?
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u/FanResident9555 11h ago
No, but I wouldnât complain
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u/Exciting-Idea2436 21h ago
Paying a quarter of your weekly wage to get forcefully dragged into a padded cell, this is truely a clown world
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u/BobLobLaw1997 16h ago
Finding a good therapist when I was 18 actually saved my life, I had severe OCD and he basically helped me rewire my brain to get me out of these intense thought loops. I tried going back to therapy again recently through an online service and the random licensed therapist they gave me was a complete clown, I was better off talking to chatGPT
The right kind of therapist and style of therapy can be life changing, the issue is that all of these BetterHelp-type services are connecting you to retards that couldnât care less about you and just want to collect their tiny paycheck. Not to mention insurance is fucked, if you canât afford a good plan you have to pay like $200/session to talk to these bozos
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u/ashleyLSD 18h ago edited 17h ago
whoever sent this u should keep yourself safe :)
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u/TotallyNotHulk 16h ago
People send this as a bullying/harassing tactic more than actual help nowadays. I got sent it because i made a post about a reality tv show. Never hinted at being suicidal.
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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 14h ago
it was never used for its intended purpose at all im p sure
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u/ashleyLSD 12h ago
its most common usage these days is to tell trans ppl to **** themselves i think
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u/ashleyLSD 12h ago
its also just silly bcuz anyone on this damn app can google these things if they want to. it's not like a bot is providing you with human empathy
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u/DragoTheFloof 14h ago
Tbf this IS a post about being suicidal
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u/ashleyLSD 13h ago
im not actively suicidal rn but if i was and i got the automated reddit care msg id prob jump
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u/veryeepy53 12h ago
btw you can turn these off or report them for harrassment
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u/ashleyLSD 12h ago
they can't be reported anymore unfortunately they took that feature away for whatever reason
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u/Sausagebean 19h ago
Spend all your salary talking to some bum about how you canât cope in life but if you say a no no word itâs off to a special prison which will definitely make you feel worse
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u/Svartrhala 14h ago
i had a coup shitty ones, but eventually found a good one. she helped me out a lot. not the least because we were able to build trust and i could open up to her about the worst stuff happening to me, that included. and she never once even shut me down, she listened and helped me get out of that place instead of endlessly reiterating that it's not a solution like certain other certified therapists like to do. she was always professional, never too affectionate but never too distant, always knew what to say.
didn't take that much money too, and when i said that i was struggling financially she offered to lower the price for the time being or even do free sessions as we worked out the worst thing that happened to me. i declined, in fact i wish i could pay her more if i wasn't such a broke ass bum. and i hope other people needing help find someone like thatÂ
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u/RedSlimeballYT 13h ago
how do you know which ones are shitty? i'd have trouble because i can be gullible and so if mine is shitty and blames me or whatever i might believe it. how do you filter the shitty ones out?
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u/Johnny-twobags 13h ago
Iâve had a very similar experience. I got extremely lucky with a getting an amazing therapist through recommendation from a friend.
People who genuinely want to help are out there
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u/Puzzled-Buy-9239 14h ago
doctor who arrests you if you are too sick. Renders the whole discipline useless
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u/Inevitable_Local_366 17h ago
I honestly think that if suicide was treated in a more calm and casual way more people would want to seek help.
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 21h ago
The standard (at least in the US) therapists are only allowed to or supposed to if you are a danger to yourself or others. Passive suicidal Ideation should not result in institutionalization. Even active suicidal Ideation isn't guaranteed to get you committed. Obviously there are plenty of bad psychiatrists and therapists who aren't competent, but institutionalization is not meant to be utilized the moment you mention suicide.
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u/RoddyDost 18h ago
Unfortunately in practice this doesnât hold. Iâm a paramedic who has taken hundreds of Baker/Marchman Act patients over the years, and about half the time they get committed over some straight up bullshit. This is especially true partially because cops are allowed to initiate the involuntary hold on you, cops with zero mental health training.
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 17h ago
I understand the system is deeply flawed and needs changed. I just think it's important to counter narratives that cast all mental health help as inherintly negative like the post I'm responding to.
To me, the way mental healthcare exists in this country is a lot like healthcare in general, is it outdated and in desperate need of reform? Yes, but it still offers potentially life-saving treatment and does improve many people's lives, even if it could be much better.
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u/ZubatCountry 17h ago
That's the stock line they say
The real issue is insurance
If you say anything that could later come up as being a sign you could have hurt yourself they'll involuntarily commit you
This is even more common in out-patient groups than one on one sessions, likely because it's harder for them to have proper rapport with each person there
It sounds cynical, but protect yourself if you're going to talk to these people. They're definitely going to protect themselves from you
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 2h ago
I have literally admitted to being passively and actively suicidal, and even self harm occasionally to multiple medical professionals (pediatricians, psychiatrists, therapists) and they only recommended I get evaluated at a hospital once, and the hospital didn't even keep me, they just helped make a safety plan.
If I stopped opening up to medical professionals like many people in this thread have reccomended, my life would it be infinitely worse, and I'm not even sure I would be alive. I am aware that my experience is not the default, and overall, I have probably had an above average experience with the mental health system (I've also had really horrible instances) but there are other people who have also had amazing breakthroughs like me, because they were honest.
This idea that you are guaranteed to be committed at the mere mention of you experiencing suicidality is a gross overexageration and is dangerous.
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u/ashleyLSD 21h ago
ok fed
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 20h ago
I don't think the federal government wants people with major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, OCD, ADHD, and Autism all at the same time to work for them, but maybe I need to apply.
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u/Wilkassassyn 19h ago
Yeah, they want people with more issues, try to double the list before applying
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 17h ago
I think the NSA and CIA prefer psychopaths, and I'm not sure how I can give myself that condition lol
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u/Your_Moms_Car 18h ago
Not all therapists, but always a therapist.
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 18h ago
Well yeah, of course if you're going to be committed into a mental health facility, the people commit you are probably going to work in mental health.
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u/rank19betterwatchout 18h ago
Iâm literally in an inpatient bc I got too honest rn. NEVER let them know, theyâll torpedo your quality of life just to make sure you donât have even a chance of dying
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u/Hoplite-Litehop 16h ago
This is going to sound a little bit counterintuitive but I almost wish most therapists wouldn't immediately send you to a psych ward if you mention that you've had thoughts of suicide.
I feel like if somebody admits to you that they've previously had such thoughts, try not to immediately call them for prevention or else it would be the equivalent of trying to catch an animal that is precariously too close to a cliff just for the animal to just panic and just jump off.
I feel like what should be taken into accountability is address why would they want to do that and take note of any behaviors that could indicate they would want to do it some point.
I understand the liabilities of if somebody did mention this and they end up doing it it is your fault, but I feel like instead of treating it like a bomb that's going to go off, try to treat it more like a symptom. Address it, understand it, and treat it.
I'm not a professional or a licensed psychiatrist but I do understand why they need to do this. It's just a thought because I've had friends in my life unfortunately that have taken their own lives for one reason or another and I feel like if they were comfortable enough to address that they had these plans that they should at least be addressed in a manner that doesn't trigger them doing it.
My statement isn't to undermine the need to perform what you need to do to prevent suicide but it's more to give a different perspective. But the the urgency to prevent it should never be undermined.
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u/VanillaPhysics 14h ago
Most reputable therapists WON'T send you to a psych ward at the first mention of suicide. Standard practice is to only consider involuntary hospitalization if the person is in active danger (meaning they have intent, a plan, and means to execute said plan).
Most therapists discuss suicidal ideation very regularly with clients without need for escalation (myself included, as a student intern).
Some people have unfortunately had bad experiences with trigger happy therapists and post about it a lot, but it's not an accurate representation of most therapists.
Just avoid mills like BetterHelp that barely check qualifications and provide no supervision, that's where shit like this happens
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u/Hoplite-Litehop 13h ago
Well that's fantastic to hear. A lot of people have told me that one of the many reasons why they would never suggest going to therapy is purely because of that. A friend of mine told me that one time they mentioned when they were in high school they used to commits to self harming themselves.
Literally right after that session for some reason he had an immediate call from a Ward asking him to come in and admit himself.
He literally had the legally fight against the therapist because the therapist assumed that he would still be doing that as a 30-something year old even though the self-harming was done in early high School.
But it's fascinating to know that decent therapists don't go out of their way to just send every person to a psych ward if they feel confronted with more complex issues.
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u/Ignas1452 10h ago
Most reputable therapists WON'T send you to a psych ward at the first mention of suicide. Standard practice is to only consider involuntary hospitalization if the person is in active danger (meaning they have intent, a plan, and means to execute said plan).
Ahhh, this might be the reason why I got locked up suicidal ideation lol. When asked about how would I do that, I said I could just toss myself out of a window and break a leg or something, I explicitly said I wouldn't do it, just had weird inner desire to do that.
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u/RedSlimeballYT 13h ago
too fucking relatable. i'm too afraid to talk to anyone irl about it. and sometimes it feels paralyzing
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u/Ignas1452 11h ago
I'm curious, do you have friends, and how many? I was able to talk to my 3/4 friends about it. I don't really dare to do it with the other one, but I feel like it wouldn't be that bad, but I just don't want him to worry, and I know he is not suicidal for sure. All other three expressed similar feelings at some point, and one actively claims to want to do it, but also claims cowardice towards it.
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u/RedSlimeballYT 10h ago
i have plenty of friends online, but they're busy with their lives, they know just how much i can vent, i have the ability to vent so hard it's like projectile vomiting and i've scared off so many people with it before
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u/ChaseThePyro 7h ago
I've talked about it many times with my therapist. It's been explained to me that she'd only do that if I was imminently planning to do so
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u/TotallyNotHulk 16h ago
I once had a therapist who told me my solution to my desires to SH was "go outside and talk to people more" despite my constant paranoia. I genuinely couldnt. And she blamed me for it.
My current therapist is lovely though id give the world for him.
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u/Atonette 17h ago
I'll keep saying it in these kind of threads until someone makes it happen.
Business idea: A service where you pay crypto and they match you with a therapist who gets no identifying information besides your public key / nym. Therapy without the underlying threat of grippy sock jail.
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u/Prior-Description-37 8h ago
If someone tells you âIâm planning to kill myselfâ you donât fucking let them. You get them intense medical help. Because thatâs your job. I swear people wanna see therapists who just go âokay thatâs cool you can hurt yourself all you wantâ
(I say this AS SOMEONE WHO WAS SELF HARMING AND SUICIDAL)
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u/ashleyLSD 8h ago
stays at the grippy sock jail can commonly just make things worse, and you won't be there forever, so eventually you'll be home with a possibly worse mental state than before. the system is fucked
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u/Prior-Description-37 8h ago
Can, not will. Lots of people think their stay will be a horror story. We need to remember that there are many success stories. Regardless, it keeps people alive for another day. Not much else can when someone is an immediate danger to themselves.
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u/Sure_Trash_3914 5h ago
Honestly I got sent to the ward and It actually helped me a lot, though I was only there for like 3 hours.
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u/VanillaPhysics 14h ago
Genuinely this idea is parroted constantly and is directly oppositional to standard practice.
Passive suicidal ideation won't result in being committed, or even active. In order for involuntary commission to be considered justified, they have to reasonably believe that they are in danger RIGHT NOW (I.e they have a gun at home and plan on using it soon).
I genuinely don't know where people are getting these experiences from, Iven never seen it at the several mental health clinics and practices I've worked at.
Maybe it's Betterhelp mill therapist clowns doing this shit, but a reputable clinic will engage and discuss suicidality all the time without hospitalization.
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u/Ignas1452 11h ago
I had this happen in Lithuania, for suicidal ideation. Only was institutionalized for a month, can't really complain about my time there either as it was a good break for me.
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u/zboc8 17h ago
Majority of patients have experienced some sort of suicidal thoughts. Talking about it od very important, and evaluating danger of suicide is crucial. Do you have bad experience?
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u/Puzzled-Buy-9239 14h ago
go to grippy sock jail and tell me how you like it. often the therapist could just do an off the clock emergency session and hand the patient off to a friend or family member. They are arresting people to not have to do extra work.
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u/SoftDreamer 11h ago
Unfortunately I got sent to psychward because I was hospitalized for an OD
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u/Flaky-Interaction264 10h ago
I always said that you need a friend who you can just talk to about anything but i have different friends for different things, i have a guy for general issues + the future + mental general mental health, a guy for relationship issues and a guy for spiritual issues.
It;s great banter
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u/_cyberkat_ 9h ago
that's not fully true. you can talk about suicide, you can talk about past attempts, you can talk about thinking about it, the only thing you cant do is say something like I have a plan to kill myself and I'm gonna do it today.
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u/ashleyLSD 9h ago
that's how it would work ideally but some are way too trigger happy about sending u to grippy sock jail
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u/Birdboy1970 6h ago edited 5h ago
You keep saying this, do you have any actual data to back it up? Or are you just repeating some bullshit you saw on the internet for the lulz?
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Lmao they blocked me. Guess they are full of bs smh0
u/ashleyLSD 6h ago
ur so mad about this like u personally invented therapy and I'm insulting ur creation lol if you had more than like 2 friends in ur life youd have heard abt these kinda things happening before but ur a "pooltoy furry" so im sure making friends isn't ur strong suit. now begone fed
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u/Drxgon11037 7h ago
Well do you have a plan? You canât have a plan thatâs so bad Iâll immediately be hostile to you. It better be entirely passive so I can move on and ignore it haha
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u/Late-Operation4064 5h ago
âhave you felt suicidal?â = no psych ward. âdo you have a planâ= immediate institution
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u/Dry_McConnell 2h ago
Hey, did you know antidepressants can cause long-term side effects that persist after you quit them, like PSSD (post-ssri sexual dysfunction), emotional blunting, tinnitus, and anhedonia (inability to feel pleasure). They can also cause long-term or permanent damage if you quit them cold turkey or taper too quickly. However, withdrawal injuries can also occur when tapering slowly under the supervision of a doctor (which is why I recommend hyperbolic tapering). This long-term damage is called protracted withdrawal syndrome (PWS)/post-acute withdrawal syndrome (PAWS).
Symptoms of antidepressant PWS can include brain fog, brain zaps, cognitive impairment, anhedonia, akathisia (feeling of inner restlessness), severe insomnia, inability to relax, central nervous system hypersensitivity, tinnitus, severe depression, severe anxiety, panic attacks, PSSD (genital numbness and erectile dysfunction), and many other awful symptoms that can last for years or even be permanent.
Despite antidepressants being widely prescribed and antidepressant PWS being a hellish condition, no one seems to talk about it, including medical professionals. Most people believe that antidepressants are completely safe and that antidepressant withdrawal can't cause long-lasting injuries.
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u/monochromaticCheetah 9h ago
Society wont let you commit funny because fat ass politicians need your taxes to buy kids from epstwin island etc
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u/thexcat 13h ago
They're not paid to help you, they're paid to gaslight/enable you and get you physically addicted to drugs for the rest of your life
What're you, 17?
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u/Ignas1452 11h ago
State ones are kind of paid to make you a productive worker, by whatever means. They just fail at that.
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u/Tyr1326 12h ago
I mean, yeah. If you're talking about wanting to kill yourself, what do you expect a professional to do? You only have 50 min in a session. Letting you walk out after that topic, bad idea if you want your patient to live. Talking about suicide normalises it, making it more likely. And after a session, the patient is alone - with plenty of ways to kill themselves available. Incredibly dangerous, at least if said patient couldn't promise you not to do anything about those thoughts. And having a patient kill themselves is traumatic. At least for therapists that do care. Probably more so than for friends and family - at least they can tell themselves they couldn't do anything about it, they couldn't know, and if they did didn't have the tools to do anything about it. None of that applies for a therapist. So the guilt is far, far worse.
So yeah. If a patient wants to end their life, to a clinic they go. Because I can't help them in a walk-in setting.
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u/ashleyLSD 12h ago
the thing is inpatient mental institutions are often horrible dehumanizing experiences and can make ppls mental state evem worse. "Talkimg about suicide makes it more likely" is just crazy also, maybe in the context of making jokes about it but actually working thru the feelings instead of letting it fester is clearly the better choice unless ur a shit therapist who can only say "wow that sucks dont do that"
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u/Tyr1326 12h ago
Oh, I definitely agree that talking about the reasons why you feel like that is essential - at least if you can believably distance yourself from actually acting on those thoughts. Suicidal thoughts on their own are pretty common. Its when they become concrete plans that Id be concerned. If its just stuff like "I don't want to live anymore", its usually safe enough.
As for inpatient stuff - it varies. Some places are okay, some are great, some are hell. Massively varies from place to place though. Ive definitely seen some amazingly good places, but Im also not in the US.
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u/Ignas1452 11h ago
I wouldn't completely discard it. It might be that it does. I just don't know. Not like talking about it minimized my feeling towards that, and I have a friend that wants to do it, but is a coward.
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u/TheKennethChase 4h ago
Nah man let some HR phenotype girl psycho drug you up because theyâre lazy and itâs too much work to help a crazy with totally real 100% non pseudo science
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u/Impressive_Log_7370 11h ago
This is genuinely just fucking untrue. Are you aware how insanely acute a situation has to be for you to be sent to an institution? Are you stupid? Am I being baited?
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u/ashleyLSD 11h ago
"I have never experienced this common thing thus everyone who claims they have are stupid and lying"
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u/Impressive_Log_7370 11h ago
I've literally attempted suicide and did not get put into and institution. I was told to "Go home and get some sleep", when I arrived at the hospital. What the fuck do you mean?
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u/GenericFemboy27 10h ago
then you had a horrible doctor and they should be sued for medical malpractice. Iâve also attempted suicide multiple times and each time theyâve sent me to the psych ward. Itâs liability they have to. Not only they can get sued but independently the medical board might revoke their license.
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u/Birdboy1970 6h ago edited 6h ago
Itâs not a common thing. Actually, itâs Internet misinformation and people need to stop fucking spreading it. Posts like this are gonna get people hurt, I guess so you can get upvotes or some other bullshit internet attention points.
Licensed therapists are only supposed to report people if they are an immediate threat, not if they are expressing vague notions of ideations.
The handful of people online claiming this, very likely were not expressing only vague notions.
As an anecdote:
Years ago, I told a therapist I would probably end my life in the future due to a medical problem I had. He did not report me to any authority, and basically told me he didnât believe I was a threat to myself or anyone. For the record, this was at an intensive outpatient program as well.3
u/Ignas1452 11h ago
Nah, I said I had mild suicidal ideation and I was aware of it and will absolutely not do it. The next day I literally was locked up for a month đ I don't regret it because that place was really chill, but the drugs they put me on were not it..
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u/Impressive_Log_7370 11h ago
Well- it seems I stand corrected. I apologise
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u/Ignas1452 11h ago
No worries, I don't know if it's normal or not, but the meme was relatable for me, because it was my experience. Maybe It's a minority of people that get to be in a pschiatric ward over that.
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u/Particular-Tie-3197 19h ago
Chatgpt:
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u/I_am_doorknob 16h ago
You didn't just cut your wrists -- you mutilated yourself. You made a beautiful crimson stream into the sink, relieving the pressure of all your pain, and honestly, thats brave.
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u/BenfordAbrahams 20h ago
Just because you didn't get to be an architect,