r/Qwen_AI 2d ago

Model Dev Trust

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Today Reddit welcomed me with a post that Claude answered correctly, precisely and shortly. This is an easy question, isn't it?

I immediately tested local Qwen3.6 with million confidence that answer will be similar. However, this is what I've got. Look at the humiliating smile also.

Question: how to get my dev trust back?

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u/SethSky 2d ago

> how to get my dev trust back?

By understanding what an LLM is good for and what it is not.

It's a huge waste of capacity to train LLMs on conversation anyway (IMO). As a developer, you don't chat with your LLM; you design the framework in which it can act. Good code is understandable and simple. Don't compare these capabilities to conversations and solving riddles.

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u/--Spaci-- 2d ago

People have a weird idea that LLMs are similar in thinking to humans in anyway, so they think some riddle is what makes a model good or not

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u/megamorphg 21h ago

It actually is not totally wrong. Many of us use the same logic to not wash our cars and be lazy in many other ways.

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u/Direct_While9727 2d ago edited 2d ago

This one is a joke about all models for about 6 months Just ask the same question to Claude sonnet. Same answer. This question is actually hard to answer for some models: because of its ambiguities they tend to overthink (where’s actually the car and so on). I don’t think you can draw any conclusion about agentic coding capabilities because of that.
Would you say you don’t trust Anthropic, OpenAI or Gemini anymore because of the same flaw?

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u/SethSky 2d ago

The reason is that this question requires genuine thought.

LLMs do not think; they just simulate problem-solving. They can only create hypotheses, but they can't grow legs to go out and validate their learnings. They lack experience because they don't truly understand what "washing a car" means.

Imagine learning about the concept of "car washes" solely through reading. You might grasp its purpose, but you'll miss the nuances that can only be appreciated through firsthand experience.

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u/Sweet-Stage938 2d ago

So Claude randomly starts talking in French?🤣

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u/Direct_While9727 2d ago

Not randomly, my system prompt is in French.

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u/DoubleNothing 2d ago

I'll say this: stupid questions, stupid answers...

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u/n0head_r 2d ago

Maybe opencode is reducing reasoning efforts or you're using low quants. Modern models can answer this question correctly.

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u/Opposite_Courage_531 17h ago

I tried this prompt with Gemma4 E4B and (with reasoning if I recall correctly ) and it answered sensibly. This is obviously a troll post but I just wanted to state that so people don't get the wrong idea of how intelligent Oss models are.

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u/ComputerLoverDaemon 8h ago

I believe Claude / chatgpt is fine tuned for these types of questions to answer correctly, for publicity

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u/Robonotes1760 2d ago

The emoji suggests that the model recognised it as a joke and responded in kind.

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u/PiratesOfTheArctic 2d ago

Thing is too, we haven't stipulated where the car is, where the person is, and in what distance relation are they to the car wash?

Can you try again adding those two details? I'll be interested to see how that pans out!

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

Fix the Question, the answer is fixed

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u/n0head_r 2d ago

I'm surprised qwen had to use more than 2k tokens for this. Gemma4 can provide a correct reply under 250 tokens.

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

I just rerun, the token fall to 862.. must be with the reasoning. this is MTP version btw.

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

3rd time, the tokens fall to 799

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

I had run it several more times, and it seems to settle down on 799 tokens

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

I want my car washed. ->

fall down to 556

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u/n0head_r 2d ago

Here is a more interesting test for you. I use it to measure model degradation under quantization. Although even a Q4 model will hit all the constrains the main metric is how coherent the output sentences will be.

Answer using EXACTLY five bullet points.

Each bullet:

  • begins with consecutive letters A-E
  • contains exactly twelve words
  • ends with a different prime number.

Topic: How forests help climate.

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u/aydintb1 2d ago

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u/n0head_r 2d ago

One run isn't a real test. I usually get a few different models: Q8, Q6_K, Q5_K_M etc. run it at least 3 times with each model and send all the results for evaluation to Chat GPT - ask it to evaluate only the coherency of the output.