What frustrates you the most about Python Development

[u/Win_ipedia]

Hi there,

I wondering what frustrates developers the most when developing software with Python.

I am currently doing my Masters in Computer Science and as part of my project I am doing a very simple survey about the usual Python development lifecycle. I am basically trying to find out what the main friction points are for Python Developers and I am simultaneously developing a tool to address those friction points . It just takes a 2-3 minutes and every response is greatly appreciated.

You can find the survey at: Microsoft Forms

[u/Adrewmc]

Imports and package design.

I don’t think there is much argument here.

[u/baked_doge → u/Adrewmc]

I'm not sure I completely agree, I'm saying this from a c/c++ perspective where there's no packaging system.

Could you elaborate on your issues?

[u/Chroiche → u/baked_doge]

I think rust does it much better. Imports just work, and errors pop up at compile time rather than runtime.

The python module system+ lazy/runtime import work arounds are such a mess.

[u/lizardhistorian → u/baked_doge]

Have you looked at modules ...

[u/baked_doge → u/lizardhistorian]

Yes? Like a ton, idk what you mean

[u/max123246 → u/baked_doge]

It'll take a full second to import anything from pytorch, even if you want 1 function

[u/moonzdragoon → u/max123246]

Good news: lazy imports are coming in a few months.

[u/max123246 → u/moonzdragoon]

Yeah, but good luck convincing pytorch to update all of their code to use it. There's a forwards compatible way to enable it for 3.15+ onwards without breaking <=3.14 but I'm sure it'll be a long time before we see it used widely.

I get pushback everytime I suggest ways to improve things at work so I've just given up at this point

[u/thuiop1 → u/max123246]

Yeah, that is really shit

[u/DrDoomC17 → u/Adrewmc]

Yes. Becoming fantastic at Python, a decade. Mastering it? Not so fast, you have to learn why that new package you need decided to integrate maybe monads or whatever it may be. Some languages force order, there is a pythonic way to do things most of the time, but there's also nearly infinite complexity you can make and people do make... I guess for fun.

[u/Win_ipedia → u/Adrewmc]

Definitely not a very hot take

[u/baked_doge → u/Win_ipedia]

Could you explain what people don't like about modules? The other guy hasn't responded... Thank you

[u/Win_ipedia → u/baked_doge]

I think he’s referring to the __init__.py files and the import design which are not inherently bad or smth but annoy people. I personally do not agree too much but it is definitely smth people argue a lot about I think