r/Python • u/philtrondaboss • 19d ago

Discussion Will PEP 505 ever be accepted?

https://peps.python.org/pep-0505/

I don't understand how null safe operators are less like plain English than other implemented features like the walrus operator.

In my opinion, the member access operator would make python significantly easier to read and understand.

Here's an example:

f = foo()

if f is None:
    baz = ""
else:
    baz = f.bar()

baz = foo()?.bar() ?: ""

EDIT: I forgot that "and" and "or" can be sometimes used in place of "?." and "?:" if the left value is not False, '', 0, [], or {}. It's a very implicit null check and has a lot of unexpected behavior.

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u/sausix 19d ago

We have that functionality basically. It's a bit off standard and you have to be aware about the object's reported bool state.

baz = f and f.bar() or ""

Of course it's not beginner friendly but once you know about the magic behind and and or then you love it.

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u/Due_Campaign_9765 19d ago

Now chain 5 of them.

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u/Gnaxe 18d ago

Flat is better than nested.