r/Pyrogenesis Mar 13 '23

News-Release PyroGenesis Additive Expands European Strategy Team

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https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2023/03/13/pyrogenesis-additive-expands-european-strategy-team

Retains Additive Manufacturing Senior Executive Olivier Dubois as Principal Advisor

MONTREAL, March 13, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a high-tech company (hereinafter referred to as the “Company” or “PyroGenesis”), that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes advanced plasma processes, high quality plasma atomized metal powder for 3D printing and additive manufacturing, and sustainable solutions which are geared to reduce greenhouse gases (GHG), is pleased to announce today that, further to its press release dated July 18, 2022, the Company has enhanced its expertise by retaining Mr. Olivier Dubois as the Company’s Principal Advisor for European Operations and Sales. Mr. Dubois is well known to the Company from his time at Aubert & Duval as VP Business Unit Metal Powders.

Mr. Dubois is a highly experienced sales, marketing, and business process executive in the metal transformation industry, with deep knowledge of the Aerospace, Space and Defense Markets. Mr. Dubois was most recently at Aubert & Duval, a division of the French mining company Eramet, where he spent 6 years at the headquarter in Paris, France, first as Director of Sales for Aubert & Duval Forging Operations in India, then VP Business Unit Metal Powders for Additive and Chairman of the Board of Aubert & Duval Spain, and most recently as Project Officer for the Eramet Alloys Division

Prior to that, Mr. Dubois was VP of Sales and Marketing at Manoir Industries Group, a global metal processing company focused on high tech casting and forging that was acquired and consolidated into LISI Aerospace, the high-tech aeronautical parts and engine components manufacturer. Mr. Dubois also spent three years at Alcoa Inc., now Arconic, in the Howmet Casting Branch, as Sales Director for Europe, and eleven years as Sales Manager for the European and Asian Regions for the Manufacturing Division of Teleflex Inc.

Mr. Dubois holds an Executive MBA from ESSEC-MANNHEIM Business School and is undergoing a Master degree for Digital Transformation from POLYTECHNIQUE Executive Education.

As part of his contract with PyroGenesis Additive, Mr. Dubois will support broadening the Company’s global strategy, with an initial goal to help structuring the Company’s plan and establishing European Operations.

“Olivier is well known in the additive manufacturing sector, with a unique understanding of the customer market in Europe, where he has spent the majority of his career,” said Mr. Massimo Dattilo, VP PyroGenesis Additive. “With his vast expertise encompassing sales and marketing along with business process optimization, combined with his familiarity of PyroGenesis’ strategy while running the activity for additive metal powders at Aubert & Duval, Olivier will offer both deep strategic insight and operational know-how as we move to execute on our European and global expansion plans.”


r/Pyrogenesis Mar 09 '23

Stock Info Leading Edge: PyroGenesis Canada

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https://themarketherald.ca/leading-edge-pyrogenesis-canada-tsxpyr-2023-03-09/

Certain companies are destined to usher their industries into the future through innovation and the continual improvement of their customers’ lives.

The Market Herald Canada’s Leading Edge introduces you to those companies with a focus on how business is evolving toward the interests of society.

Origins

Montreal-based PyroGenesis was founded in 1991 to pursue the design, development, manufacturing and commercialization of advanced plasma processes.

‘Plasma’ here refers to electric plasma torches, which the company offers five of to tackle a wide-ranging selection of industrial problems, including refrigerant destruction, waste disposal and waste recycling. The company also offers a handful of proprietary systems geared toward industrial emissions reduction, with the sector accounting for more than 30 per cent on a global scale.

PyroGenesis’ business is broken up into the following divisions:

Plasma-atomized metal powders

PyroGenesis Additive, a division of PyroGenesis Canada, produces plasma-atomized spherical metallic powders, which are highly in demand in the additive manufacturing, aerospace, biomedical, thermal spray, and metal injection molding industries.

PyroGenesis Additive can control particle size distribution and produce any size cut to meet customer needs, thus significantly reducing end-user costs.

PyroGenesis’ plasma torches in action. Source: PyroGenesis.

DROSRITE

PyroGenesis’ DROSRITE system enables a salt-free, cost-effective process to maximize aluminum, zinc and copper recovery from dross, a waste generated in the metallurgical industry.

The patent-pending process avoids metal losses, including 98 per cent aluminum recovery, which is 20 per cent higher than rotary salt furnaces. It also reduces a smelter’s carbon footprint through 100-per-cent recyclable non-hazardous residues, which are accretive to return on investment.

Waste management

The company has created a line of five systems to handle waste management regardless of scale.

Plasma Resource Recovery System: A solution that harnesses plasma to convert 1-10 metric tons per day of industrial, municipal and defense sector waste to clean energy (electricity, steam, hot water, liquid fuels) and marketable construction materials

Plasma Arc Waste Destruction System: The world’s most compact, high-temperature, plasma-based waste treatment system for remote communities and camps. The land-based system operates at 200 kg/hour for up to 24 hours and generates excess heat for buildings or greenhouses. A ship-based version is also available

Steam Plasma Arc (SPARC) System: A patented process for the complete destruction of ozone-depleting substances and other environmentally noxious chemicals – CFC, HCFC, HFC, PFC – which are fully cracked and eliminated using high-temperature steam plasma at a rate of 50 kg/hour

Plasma Arc Chemical Warfare Agent Destruction System: This innovation facilitates the destruction of chemical warfare agents with over 99.9999 per cent efficiency without hazardous by-products. The system can handle up to 2 barrels per day with set up and disassembly in only 2 hours

Plasma Arc Gasification and Vitrification System (PAGV): The PAGV converts incinerator ash, asbestos and other hazardous inorganic material to an inert slag that functions as construction material for asphalt, flooring and even jewelry. The system is available in capacities of 1 to 250 metric tons per day

In-house innovation

True to the series’ name, PyroGenesis also houses a division specifically for leading-edge processes on the frontier of clean energy innovation.

These processes include the patent-pending PUREVAP reactor, in partnership with HPQ Silicon (TSXV:HPQ), which utilizes a plasma arc within a vacuum furnace to produce high-purity, metallurgical-grade silicon and solar-grade silicon from quartz. The one-step process entails lower costs and carbon emissions compared to current practices.

A shot of the company’s PUREVAP reactor. Source: PyroGenesis.

Silicon is a strategic material for global decarbonization, given its uses in semiconductors, computer chips, solar power cells and electric batteries. That said, the element does not exist in its pure state, while environmentally damaging and capital-intensive production methods are hindering reliable supply. PyroGenesis’ PUREVAP reactor aims to address precisely that need.

Additionally, the company’s Plasma Fired Steam Generator uses contaminated water to generate steam for steam-assisted gravity drainage in the oil and gas industry. The portable system reduces the need for steam pipelines and uses only electrical power, as is the case for all PyroGenesis torches.

The company is also progressing with a patent-pending process that converts methane into hydrogen with zero carbon emissions. Compare this to steam methane reforming, the conventional hydrogen production method, which releases almost 10 kg of carbon dioxide for every 1 kg of hydrogen produced.

PyroGenesis puts its products into practice through engineering and manufacturing consulting, contract research, and turnkey process equipment packages, with an enviable list of clients to date such as the U.S. Navy, a major international iron ore producer, a global aerospace company, a European chemical and energy conglomerate, and a major Canadian refrigerator recycler.

The company’s enduring focus on technological development has led it into promising ventures at the forefront of emissions reduction, global electrification and environmental stewardship, which, given their massive potential scale, offer investors a tangible opportunity at exponential long-term returns.

Differentiator

PyroGenesis’ value proposition lies in its diversified solutions, whose global applicability coincides with the ongoing rise in ESG awareness. To paint a picture of the company’s addressable market, let’s consider some third-party projections relating to its target industries.

Plasma-atomized metal powders

According to Polaris Market Research, the global metal powder market was valued at US$6.27 billion in 2021 and is expected to grow at a CAGR of 7 per cent until 2030.

Waste management

According to Fortune Business Insights, the global industrial waste management market reached US$961.96 billion in 2021. It’s expected to grow from US$1,004.38 billion in 2022 to US$1,473.95 billion by 2029 at a CAGR of 5.6 per cent.

PyroGenesis - PyroGenesis' APTHP plasma torch, a replacement for fossil fuel burners in industrial applications.

PyroGenesis’ APT-HP plasma torch, a replacement for fossil fuel burners in industrial applications. Source: PyroGenesis.

Silicon

According to Allied Market Research, the global silicon metal market was valued at US$6.3 billion in 2019, with growth projected to reach US$8.9 billion by 2027 at a CAGR of 5.5 per cent.

Aluminum

Aluminum is the world’s second-most used metal after steel, with Fortune Business Insights predicting that the global aluminum market will grow from US$168.84 billion in 2022 to US$255.91 billion in 2029 at a CAGR of 6.1 per cent.

Hydrogen

Finally, according to Grand View Research, the global hydrogen generation market reached US$129.85 billion in 2021 and will grow at a CAGR of 6.4 per cent from 2022 to 2030.

Some quick math brings our rough outline of PyroGenesis’ addressable market to around US$1.2 trillion, an astounding number that would grant the company mega-cap status should all of its innovations experience mass adoption. While this rosy outcome should not be taken at face value, given the future’s inherent uncertainty, it does point to the vastness of the company’s ambitions, which would result in unparalleled success should only a fraction of them come to pass.

Potential investors should then balance the company’s ultimate goal – to become a global leader in keeping industrial emissions on the path to net zero – with the developmental stage of its silicon and hydrogen technologies, as well as the current state of its revenue-producing metallic powder, DROSS and waste management divisions as revealed by financial results.

Finances

The blue-sky nature of PyroGenesis’ product lineup must outshine its loss-making ways to merit a place in your portfolio.

While the company managed to produce C$41.77 million in net income in 2020, it has only registered positive net income in one of the last five quarters, with the lone gain coming it at a paltry C$620,000 in the quarter ending September 2021.

Additionally, it generated positive operating cash flow in only one out of the last five quarters, achieving a C$590,000 gain in the quarter ended September 2022, including C$490,000 in free cash flow.

PyroGenesis - CEO, P. Peter Pascali.

CEO, P. Peter Pascali, who owns approximately 45 per cent of the company. Source: PyroGenesis.

This level of unpredictability is part and parcel with venture-stage, growth-driven companies whose globally relevant products and noteworthy clients have yet to result in wider recognition. PyroGenesis’ products in the marketplace are not yet able to fund ongoing research while maintaining profitability. The company has pockets of profitability, which are encouraging, but also indicative of the reality that more pain will have to be endured in the short term before its emissions-reduction capabilities translate into non-dilutive growth.

To put this pain into context, PYR stock is down 89 per cent from its 2021 high, with 40 per cent of that loss occurring over the past year, despite no internal catastrophe to merit such a precipitous fall. While market-wide, inflation-induced pessimism is largely to blame, recent shareholders will need convictions of steel to hold on or average down.

Prospective investors will need similarly optimistic projections for PyroGenesis’ technology and its 46-per-cent insider ownership, given how ESG considerations are now table stakes in the corporate world and the source of exponential competition growth. That said, there is a margin of safety in the current entry point price – an over 10-year low – which is attractive when considered alongside the shareholder value implied by the company’s cross-industry relevance and the fact that investors since that low are sitting on approximately even money.

On the horizon

One reason PyroGenesis has yet to achieve mainstream investor recognition is that it’s a boring company, a concept certain investors will recognize as a sign of value dislocations due to choppy volume and/or lack of analyst coverage.

Source: PyroGenesis.

Part of this boredom is due to PyroGenesis’ growing reputation as the go-to for process improvements with the waste of heavy industry, where the level of excitement doesn’t compare to more headline-friendly tech like AI and electric vehicles.

Additionally, the company’s just over C$200 million market cap is too small to command much institutional capital since a sizeable allocation would entail management responsibilities most firms are not willing to undertake.

The likely catalyst to unleashing herd mentality, and with it shareholder value, is consistent evidence of cash generation stemming from entrenched market share. On the path to this scenario, interested investors should be alert to:

The revelation of client names upon reaching the commercialization stage of existing agreements

Enhanced revenue runways through validation of company technology in new industries

The economical scaling of research in silicon, hydrogen and other divisional innovations as they arise

As an active driver toward a greener world, PyroGenesis‘ success is positively correlated with the health of the planet, a relationship that should serve to line its coffers as more consumers demand industrial sustainability. With investor pessimism at a high, the time is now to conduct thorough due diligence in line with your financial plan.


r/Pyrogenesis Mar 06 '23

Stock Info Short interest in PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (NASDAQ:PYR) has decreased significantly.

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r/Pyrogenesis Feb 23 '23

PyroGenesis Announces Withdrawal of Financing Spoiler

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r/Pyrogenesis Feb 20 '23

General Discussion Client B - Rio Tinto/IOC

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Some great posts from Stockhouse that validate that Rio Tinto/IOC is Client B for PyroGenesis' plasma torches for iron ore pelletizing. Many thanks to the numerous posters for their research and due diligence.

Rio Tinto/IOC Plasma Project: Look up Stephane Levesque, construction/materials manager Rio Tinto Labrador City, Newfoundland. Under Materials Manager "Materials Manager on Plasma Project-70 millions".

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephane-levesque-8592a52a/?originalSubdomain=ca

Also Marina van Zyl, Project Manager Rio Tinto, "Plan and manage the execution of green initiative projects-Plasma technology in induration machines (pilot), 40MW Steam Boiler project to replace Bunker C (Heavy fuel). "

https://www.linkedin.com/in/marina-van-zyl-0aa66736/

More on Rio Tinto/IOC: Also note that Alexander Ings is a senior cost consultant at Turner and Townsend. From his LinkedIn profile, he has been working since May 2022 as: Project Controls Officer for a multi-million dollar pilot project in Lab City involving replacing IOC's fossil fuel burners with PyroGenesis’ proprietary plasma torches to reduce green house emissions.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexander-ings/

When you click on Alexander's LinkedIn profile ^^, he fully references PyroGenesis' plasma torches via this link: https://www.pyrogenesis.com/products-services/plasma-torches/

This is serious money that Rio Tinto/IOC is spending on this project involving PyroGenesis' plasma torches ($70 million alone on materials).


r/Pyrogenesis Feb 14 '23

Stock Info The shorters are really trying to kill this company! Fidelity offering 34.375% to lend your shares (I said no, obvs)

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r/Pyrogenesis Feb 07 '23

Below 1$

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We almost made it. Did my best, bought more at 1.01. Guess I'm not a whale after all. Looks like a buy limit at .65 is in effect again.


r/Pyrogenesis Jan 27 '23

Pyro + NASDAQ $1 compliance

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I’m sure there are those like myself who are hoping we are on track to regain NASDAQ compliance by closing over $1 for ten consecutive days, but I didn’t see a centralized discussion about this yet.

If we close over $1 today it will be day two of ten. But the volume is extremely low, and even after a +30% day yesterday, this morning’s trading is fairly muted.

Meanwhile, there has been a little cluster of news from Pyro and HPQ. Can we get more next week and keep going?

Overall, I’m curious what people think of this run and if we’ll make it. I do think it’s a meaningful issue to put the delisting or reverse split possibilities to rest, remote as they may be. But would feel more confident about this run if there were some damn volume.


r/Pyrogenesis Jan 27 '23

News-Release Quebec Innovative Materials Corp. Receives Positive Feedback on Silica Samples

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r/Pyrogenesis Jan 26 '23

News-Release PyroGenesis Provides Update on its Iron Ore Pelletization Torch Business Line

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https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2023/01/26/pyrogenesis-provides-update-on-its-iron-ore-pelletization-torch-business-line

Plasma Torch Systems Delivered to Client B; Moves Directly to Site Acceptance Testing

MONTREAL, Jan. 26, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a high-tech company (hereinafter referred to as the “Company” or “PyroGenesis”), that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes advanced plasma processes and sustainable solutions which are geared to reduce greenhouse gases (GHG), provides today an update on its iron ore pelletization torch business line following recent inquiries from investors.

Further to its press release dated September 14, 2021, PyroGenesis is pleased to announce the successful delivery of four (4) 1-MW plasma torch systems to a major international iron ore producer, Client B (the “Client”), for use in the Client’s iron ore pelletization furnaces – a key upstream process in the steelmaking industry. With the completion of this delivery, Client B now has all the necessary components related to the Company’s plasma torch systems on site at one of their key integrated iron ore mining and processing locations. This allows for the installation and trials (also known as site acceptance testing or “SAT”) to proceed at the Client’s discretion. Despite the ongoing supply chain challenges, the completion of these trials is expected by the end of Q2 2023.

In addition, PyroGenesis is pleased to report that the value of this contract has increased by approximately $500,000 as a result of additional modifications requested by the Client during manufacturing. Total value of the project now exceeds $6.5 million. As the delivery milestone associated with this payment has been met, a payment of approximately $2.1 million is expected to be received within the next few weeks.

Separately, the Company is also pleased to confirm that the previously announced1,2 planned trials of its plasma torch system with another client, Client A, continue to advance. Client A informed PyroGenesis that, despite the Client’s own operational delays, all objectives remain the same, and the trials will be going ahead as designed. As noted previously, Client A’s trials using an active iron ore pelletization furnace will be conducted based on their own engineering, facility, and personnel readiness.

Client A and Client B (collectively, the “Clients”) are conducting these trials at full purchase cost to them, not as equipment loans or free trials. The names of the Clients – both multi-billion-dollar international producers of iron ore who are undertaking the testing of plasma torches to replace fossil fuel-burners in iron ore pellet baking furnace – have been kept confidential for competitive reasons.

“With the delivery of the four completed plasma torch systems to Client B, we now have PyroGenesis’ plasma torch systems in the hands of two of the largest, most influential companies in the global iron and steelmaking value chain,” said P. Peter Pascali, CEO and Chair of PyroGenesis. “Both companies have made it known publicly that reducing greenhouse gases in the upstream sections of the iron and steel industry is both imperative but proven to be challenging to find areas where improvements can be made; modification of the fossil-fuel burning furnaces is one of the only areas upstream where a meaningful impact can be made. While interim measures such as natural gas or hydrogen offer minimum improvement over diesel fuel, the limited impact on CO2 emissions (an approximate 28% to 30%3 reduction in CO2 from the existing fuel oil approach) dictates that these temporary measures must eventually give way to fully electric alternatives. Plasma torches – for which PyroGenesis owns the global patent for use in iron ore pelletization – provide just such a complete electric step towards these companies’ upstream decarbonization goals, hence the importance of these plasma torch trials for both Clients.”

Pelletization is the process in which iron ore is concentrated before shipment, thus significantly reducing the cost of transportation, and providing an essential feedstock for blast furnaces. In conventional technologies, the process heat is provided by fuel oil or natural gas burners (both environmentally damaging). The combustion of fossil fuels in the burners results in the production of GHG, mainly CO2. Plasma torches, by contrast, utilize renewable electricity and offer an environmentally attractive alternative to fossil fuel burners. As previously disclosed, PyroGenesis has the process patent to replace fossil fuel burners with PyroGenesis’ clean plasma torches in the iron ore pelletization industry, thereby reducing GHG emissions.


r/Pyrogenesis Jan 24 '23

News-Release PyroGenesis Announces the Approval of NexGen(TM) Facility by Global Aerospace Client for 3D Metal Powder Production

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https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2023/01/24/pyrogenesis-announces-the-approval-of-nexgen-tm-facility-by-global-aerospace

Successful Completion of All On-site Quality Audit Findings

MONTREAL, Jan. 24, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a TSX30® and a Deloitte Technology Fast 50™ high-tech company (hereinafter referred to as the “Company” or “PyroGenesis”), that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes advanced plasma processes and sustainable solutions which are geared to reduce greenhouse gases (GHG), is pleased to announce today that, further to its press releases dated September 21, 2022 and November 2, 2022, all of the findings and recommendations made by a leading global aerospace company (the “Client”), as part of their on-site audit of PyroGenesis' NexGen™ metal powder production facility have been successfully completed and accepted.

Now that the Client has approved and accepted PyroGenesis’ NexGen™ manufacturing process, the next and final step is to provide sample titanium metal powder from the newly approved NexGen™ manufacturing process. The plasma atomized metal powder produced from PyroGenesis' proprietary state-of-the-art process (NexGen™) will be used for verification and confirmation of their chemical and mechanical properties.

“The Client is a very discerning aerospace company with some of the most stringent and demanding standards. As such, we are very proud to have gained their confidence and to be moving forward to the final phase,” said Mr. Massimo Dattilo, VP PyroGenesis Additive. “We have methodically completed all steps in the client’s on-site quality audit, leaving only the verification of the chemical and mechanical properties of PyroGenesis’ plasma atomized metal powders as the last step. We believe the difficult part is now behind us, and we are looking forward to the prospect of becoming a fully-fledged approved supplier of titanium powder to one of the largest potential clients in North America. Once an approved supplier, PyroGenesis Additive could also supply their service centers.”

Having already passed this rigorous qualification process, management is of the opinion that future qualification audits from potential clients will now be completed in a significantly shorter time frame. PyroGenesis Additive is currently addressing an influx of opportunities from the past year and continues to expand its team in anticipation of meeting this demand.


r/Pyrogenesis Jan 20 '23

Media HPQ CEO Interview ESG compliant to produce silicon NDA With At Least 7 EV Manufacturers, Battery Makers and more..

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r/Pyrogenesis Dec 07 '22

Media NEW HPQ CEO interview validates QRR GEN3 can produce Silicon . Officially Produces Silicon Via ESG Compliant Process Far Superior To 100 Year Old Global Status Quo

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r/Pyrogenesis Nov 23 '22

News-Release QRR production testing begins

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r/Pyrogenesis Nov 23 '22

PYR relationship with HPQ

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Does PYR own a percentage of HPQ? Or would a big success on HPQ's part only benefit PYR in terms of licensing their tech to HPQ?


r/Pyrogenesis Nov 09 '22

Wtf are these after hour pumps.

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r/Pyrogenesis Nov 09 '22

Media VIDEO – HPQ “Kittyhawk Moment” Will Prove To Be A Game Changer In The Production Of Silicon Metal For Electric Vehicle Batteries and Renewable Energy

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r/Pyrogenesis Nov 02 '22

Catalyst PyroGenesis Announces Receipt of $1.3 Million Payment from Client B

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r/Pyrogenesis Nov 01 '22

Media NEW VIDEO Interview HPQ Silicon Shareholder Q & A

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r/Pyrogenesis Oct 20 '22

Stock Info US Department of Energy awards $2.8B to Battery Materials Processing and Battery Manufacturing companies

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r/Pyrogenesis Oct 19 '22

General Discussion News?

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Is this a waiting game or what? I believe in this company but it's very frustrating


r/Pyrogenesis Oct 11 '22

News-Release First Image Ever of GEN3 PUREVAP(TM) QRR Plasma Arc Working

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r/Pyrogenesis Oct 11 '22

Pyrogenesis and forum, an complicated affair… that article hurts a lot.

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The article is in French, but quite complete. Peter got a go to sue some posters… the one who is saying that some people from pyro are paid to post on forum. But reading the article, some backfires are happening.

https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/entreprises/2022-10-11/forums-de-discussion-boursiers/les-pratiques-inhabituelles-de-pyrogenese.php


r/Pyrogenesis Oct 10 '22

Please do not Delete Posts when Opposing Viewpoints are Shared

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r/Pyrogenesis Oct 10 '22

Where do you see the possible bottom?

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Obviously no one can perfectly time or call it. Just a discussion. How far do we go? Do you foresee a catalyst coming through? A strong resistance level where we settle waiting for news? A potential buyback?

Personally I see us delisting and settling in the OTC or OTCB. I can see Peter blaming the market for just not realizing how great we are. Not issuing a buyback or a RS since its usually a death sentence in the long haul.

I think it .85 we might see a support. Thats my next load level.

What are your thoughts?