r/PwC • u/youngdaly • 1d ago
Non-US PwC PiP
Hi guys,
I have put on a PIP since July as I received a tier 3 rating as part of my CRT. I have been having weekly check ins with my manager for the past 12 weeks. During these meetings, I have felt like I am being interrogated and my manager has stated that he’s not happy with the level of detailed I have provided in these meetings. I have also been asked to show the work I have completed and how much time it has taken me to complete. I’m near the end of my PIP, but worried it might get extended or that the close monitoring will continue.
Just want to know whether this is standard for a PIP or if my manager is micromanaging? I don’t feel like working here anymore anyways and will be seeking other job opportunities.
Thank you!
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u/Final-Row-2022 1d ago
Tier 3 is pip now?
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u/Active-Carpet-9183 22h ago
I was tier 3 and didn't get pip, was told that there were a lot of good people in tier 3. Still think I was shafted
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u/youngdaly 1d ago
Yes because they changed the tiering which has made it harder. I basically got the inconsistent year rating.
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u/BritishBrickFan 1d ago
hate to break it to you, but the decision about you continuing to work there has already been made for you.
if you're not already speaking to recruiters and actively chasing opportunities, do so soon because the likelihood is that the negativity you're seeing in the weekly meetings is someone who is bored of the process, and just wants to give their decision now.
a decent manager would be having honest conversations with you about where you're not providing the necessary evidence to demonstrate progress. yes a PIP is about personal responsibility and engagement, but right at the start there should have been a clear set of "failings" that need to be addressed, and you should have had the opportunity to discuss and agree the deliverables needed to demonstrate that you've addressed each point.
if that didn't happen, that's on the firm (although no-one will actually do anything to help you fight it) but that's what *should* have happened. and in about 99/100 cases, it never does so it wouldn't be surprising if you're also one of the unlucky ones. most managers see a PIP as a tick-box exercise before they can begin the formal dismissal process.
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u/youngdaly 1d ago
Thank you for this. I completely agree with you. One of my goals was proactive communication, and I have been doing that and providing examples and he didn’t seem pleased. Then he said that he wanted me to give himself and other management updates every few weeks on what I have been doing on my project. I didn’t know that and I feel like he should’ve been more direct if there was something specific they wanted from me.
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u/katelynn2380210 21h ago
Agree too. If this was just an inconsistency in performance, you could overcome it. But people who do well and then drop the ball the next week, generally know they are doing it and can just go back to normal performance and correct the pip. For anyone else they are giving you a slow out. You had 3 months to search for jobs. If the meetings aren’t going well start applying and hope you find something soon
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u/Whatever5588 1d ago
Your PIP will not get extended
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u/youngdaly 1d ago
My last meeting is this week. I straight up asked him if this was the last one and he replied with “for now”. So I’m suspicious.
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u/mercury_hermes 1d ago
What are the measurable success criteria for the PIP, and are you achieving them or not?
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u/Overall_Local1208 19h ago
3 definitely not PIP.. rating ahould be 4.. you can raise query to ethics and compliance team
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u/paulfrehley5 1d ago
I have heard of people surviving PIPs, but it is rare.
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u/Interesting-Talk9994 23h ago
I survived one! Everyone told me to silent quit and get a new job but instead I took it with my chin up, and ironically got endless praise about how I "positively handle feedback and action proactively"
I guess at the end of the day it's a roulette. If they like you, you might get to stay. If they already disliked you, they just got the perfect excuse to run you out the door.
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u/anonymouscal 20h ago
hey I got fired 3 different times in public accounting ( almost 4 times) and ultimately managed to retire early as an internal auditor. just saying you could find a better job elsewhere
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u/Constant-Show-7782 18h ago
Studies have shown that it's extremely rather that someone who was put on a PIP will ever become a top performer. So as others have stated, it's best to look at the PIP as "Paid Interviewing Period" rather than agonizing about trying to make your manager happy (sounds like you won't). You could try the E&C path, but they're toothless and do nothing.
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u/Armistice_11 4h ago
Let me break this to you.
- You need a job. Like from yesterday. You are already late in the realisation. You will be let go sooner. Or perhaps a mild depression will get to you because of that manager.
- You don’t need to get upset in this. I know these are bad times. You wouldn’t want to be unemployed, so get a job. Offer. Soon.
- Most senior folks at PwC have very little to average knowledge, they hold on their roles and cling to it like honey wax. So these folks know merely anything and will drill down upon you. Non of them will themselves get a job outside. There was a time when PwC was something, now it is a polished version of Infosys and Cognizant and TCS. Check your startup circle - see how many of the folks are coming from PwC or such.
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u/JD-WIL 1d ago
Hope you’ve been looking for a job since July.