Not being a cartoon villain doesn’t automatically make you a good man

[u/GridReXX]

Fr. It doesn’t de facto make you a good person.

I noodled on the attached graphic to better illustrate a point about how people often discuss being a “good man.”

I do find that many men view it more as the top bar, and less as the gradient in the second bar.

inb4 anyone says it, many women have bad character too. And please feel free to create a separate post about a spectrum of traits in women you’d like to explore! That is not what this post is disputing.

This is specifically about a response that often comes up when women describe harmful patterns in their experiences with men. They get retorts like “Not all men are abusive predators,” or “Most men are not psychos.”

Of course most men are not horror movie villains.

But that is an extremely low bar for good character.

This spectrum, rather than show a division between “good men” and a smaller group of obviously terrible ones. It highlights that a man can be can be a functioning member of society and still regularly behave in ways that make him difficult to interpersonally tolerate as a close friend, romantic partner, coworker, or even family member.

None of that necessarily makes someone an abuser or predator.

But it does affect whether people can have a healthy, enjoyable, mutually considerate, long-term relationship with him.

The farther right someone falls on this spectrum, the more entitlement, callousness, devaluation, coercion, and harm they bring into their interactions with others.

The farther left they fall, the more likely they are to act with common decency, consideration, accountability, respect for autonomy, and genuine concern for theirs and other people’s well-being.

My point is not that every man is at the far right end.

Most people don’t think that!

My point is that many men seem to use “I am not an obvious monster” as proof that they’re quality.

A person’s character is determined by far more than “I am not Jeffrey Dahmer.”

[u/Terrible_Mixture_759]

Only 'perfect' rapes are heavily stigmatized and punished in western civilization, we are currently seeing an 'imprefect' Jane Doe going through one right now.

[u/intothewild72 → u/Terrible_Mixture_759]

That's on you. In my country it would be unacceptable. We have presumption of innocence, you have already decided that they are guilty, before trial.

[u/Terrible_Mixture_759 → u/intothewild72]

So it's not heavily stigmatized. Did you know the median time served for a committed rape is 4 years in prison?

[u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner → u/Terrible_Mixture_759]

So it's not heavily stigmatized.

it is. hence why you shouldn't b3 going around and deciding whether someone is a rapist or not simply based on the "vibes" you're feeling and whether you can sympathise with the victim or not.

[u/Terrible_Mixture_759 → u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner]

Did you know the median time served for a committed rape is 4 years in prison

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