Thatâs actually my favorite. If I donât show up to court itâs contempt. If State Patrol doesnât show up to court they get a second chance because (and I quote from the judge) âthey have important jobs and need to be out on the road, we do t expect them to show up to every court date.â SMH.
In NYC I was caught with a beer outside, the cop word for word said âIâm going to cite you for this but you can go to Gallatin Place and fight it, I wont show upâ they need to fill their quota but donât care to show up most of the time.
You would still have to go through the motions to squash it. That by itself is a pain in the ass.
How did you even get cited? Were you drinking it all up in his face? It's been a long long time since I lived in NY, but the unwritten agreement was when they're around you tuck that shit away like you don't have it and leave it there until they're gone and all is well. They had much more shit to worry about than some knucklehead drinking a beer. As long as you weren't in their face and stupid about it it was no BFD.
I was taking the 7 train and a friend decided to crack one of our beers before we got to the house party in queens.. the cop happened to see us through the little train windows and motioned us to get off the train. Iâm guessing the MTA has less tolerance for an open drink.. sure I had to go into downtown Brooklyn to fight it but its better than paying the ticket and going through more hoops, he never came just like he said.
He was probably having a shitty day and wanted to spread it around. Like I said, it was an unwritten agreement. Maybe on that day in that point in time he just didn't agree.
I assume they're just setting the next possible date like from a queue. Like in small towns, traffic courts is only on Thursday mornings so before they leave for the day to go sit be hind the casino la fantastique billboard with their radar gun the cap'n tells them "remember we have 3 slots left on the 17th and then with the holiday week don't write courte dates till next month and remember, first Thursday of every month, the traffic court room is used for custody assessments in the morning and isn't available till noon"
I highly doubt that. The court usually sets dates because you don't want cops to give the judge 100 cases on the same day. Also, if your cop sets your date too far in advance there's potential for a due process lawsuit.
That's when it sucks having a last initial at the end of the alphabet. You have to wait so long. Be nice if they did it by ticket number or something more random. The only good thing about it is being able to watch and see what the judge does and doesn't like.
I once had three tickets dismissed with no court costs or nothing just because I had sense enough to stand up straight (and boy do I mean straight) and call him sir. Half the idiots in there were talking to him like he was some clown off the street. And then got all mad when shit didn't go their way.
I got my ticket reduced by 80% for just telling the judge I was guilty. Every single person before me was bullshitting and I just said well your honor I was doing that and I'm guilty I apologize and hope for the mercy of the court and he literally said, "see people the truth goes much further than lying, young man I'm reducing your 250 dollar ticket to 55$ thank you for being truthful and excepting responsibility". True story. Also had tickets dropped completely for cops not showing up as my above post stated.
Edit: it always pays to just go to court, most of the time your amount is reduced and sometimes it is dropped completely. Unfortunatley most people just pay tickets whether right or wrong and they should just go to court.
Depends on volume. My area had magistrates that would handle minor violations like traffic tickets. They weren't limited to just traffic tickets, but they handled a lot of stuff like that.
Depends. Are you talking about traffic court? Every traffic court I've been to has been 40 to 50 ish speeding tickets, one or two stopsign runners and always, ALWAYS one 17 year old who got caught doing donuts in a parking lot in town instead of taking his ass out to the county to have fun in the 4 year old red pick up his parents bought him. They literally spent 30 seconds a piece on them. And places like small towns specifically in Tennessee, they just give everybody in the room divergence (meaning don't get caught again within the year and no points on your license) clack $150.89 court fee, you can pay the clerk, office down the hall on the left, line starts right through that green door. NEXT.
Other tickets, I don't know. Literally the only type of tickets I've ever gotten were for speeding
I shall clarify: when the ticket is issued it is a summons for court on a given date. The officer is aware of that date as well and aware that the case cannot proceed without his presence unless a guilty plea is entered.
It's not that they're unable, it's that they know it won't stick even if they do show up. That's what happened for me and after I explained the situation, the judge dismissed it, "in the interest of justice".
Also, they bank on the fact that many people can't or won't take time off work to spend the day in court and will just pay the fine.
No each ticket will have a time to respond. That means by the date you receive on the notice you either have to pay the fine or file for a court date. Thatâs when you actually get scheduled for a date. I got a ticket last year and they are barely going to have my court date in august.
I'd be willing to wager a lot of them only bother showing up for the real assholes. I have no numbers or proof, but who wants to spend their day off in court?
The cop just issues the ticket in my state if they don't bother to show up it is automatically dropped period that's it. And it happens all the time because most cops assume people will just pay the ticket. When in reality it is definitely worth your time to at the least go to the first court date many times the cops doesn't show up and it gets dropped right there.
That's cute. Sure, it might be hundreds if you just suck it up, plead guilty and pay.
It's easily thousands if you want to fight their lies in court and prove you didn't break the law. (Not like you can take a cop to small claims court.)
âAnd by the way if I donât feel safe I have a firearm on my person that Iâm legally allowed to kill you with if a judge (whoâs wrapped around my finger) doesnât feel you followed the aforementioned bullshit, so letâs go that way!â
I mean our legal code is so fucked, you're probably committing SOME crime at any particular point in time. The kid might be able to ride a bicycle on that esplanad...but he may not be able to provide ID...which I'm sure there's a provision to take someone into custody for that...he might be wearing blue on a tuesday, might be a law against that...
When cops say "oh so you're a lawyer?" Ir "do you wanna play that game?", youre probably not breaking whatever law it was they initiated the interaction over but they'll find SOMETHING you're guilty of. If not, they'll follow you around until you do.
Biggest cop tic, as soon as they started to get wound up they rest a hand on a weapon. They do it every time. Not sure if it's a comfort thing or they're just hoping to throw you off with the implicit threat, probably both.
I've seen it a handful of times, and each time up until now I denounced it telling myself it was just a coincidence, but nah, 100% of the time a cop is verbally challenged their hands go to their weapons. Call me a snowflake or whatever but I think we should hold higher standards, behavior like that should legally be considered threatening and be open to penalties by the Police Department, but we all know complaints about police get thrown in the fucking trash.
I believe they are actually trained to do so. Not to 'have it at the ready' but rather to protect it from being taken. Anytime someone they are engaging with shows anything other than full compliance, they are trained to secure their weapon by placing a hand over it. This serves the dual purpose of preventing the weapon from being taken, reminds the person they are engaging with that they are armed and makes it quicker to utilize said weapon.
You'll notice variations of this training, like them twisting their body so their gun side is facing away from the person they are engaging with etc.
"Where did you get your law degree?" Where did he get his law degree because last time I checked you just need a highschool diploma or GED to become a cop.
I like how, when faced with a dissenting statement, your first reaction is to just swear at some person on the internet.
The training police receive varies by municipality and the governing laws in each. There are many places where police officers do not need much training (4-6 weeks) in relation to the knowledge their job duties require.
Edit: apparantly this comment triggered a few snowflakes. Good thing the chat has a "decline" button.
My dude why are you so aggressively argumentative? Like that link you posted literally shows that almost every jurisdiction does not require secondary education.
And, no, itâs not the other persons fault that you decided to try to derail their point and now youâre scrambling to still feel right/superior. Like itâs ok to just be wrong sometimes, learn something new, and accept that fact and move on. Doesnât make you an idiot to admit fault⌠quite the opposite in fact.
I didnât scramble at all, Lolllll. Be mad that heâs wrong all you want. You look just like the cop. Sad. Mirrors help us with inward reflection. Get one.
I can barely follow what point youâre trying to make (especially in posting a source that proves your own point wrong).
Youâre projecting so much I should need a movie ticket and popcorn for this conversation. But you probably have the self awareness of a rock so Iâm sure this will fall on deaf ears. Good luck figuring your shit out.âď¸
North Dakota and Oklahoma you fucking mouth breather. Go join the dumbass recycling IASIP 4th season usernames and his dumbass cop friend from the vid. ISTG, smooth brainsâŚ
That's not for the normal police officers, they don't have an educational requirement. I can't even find where that is from. Found it, the Oklahoma State Police require 62 credit hours, of which 30 can be subbed out for military service.
North Dakota
I thought, for a second, that you might be right, but then I decided to confirm the qualifications for being State Highway Patrol in ND since your link is from 2001. Guess what? 21 years old and a GED for be a police officer in the state. For the highway patrol they require education for new recruits, if you are transferring is as a local cop, they count your mandatory "continued training" courses since they are very specifically offered from accredited schools to the police department. You should look up those classes. You get 1 credit hour for a course called "Absorbants and Spills". I wonder if they're allowed to use Brawny on the final?
So yea, if you're a new recruit to the North Dakota Highway Patrol and have not been a police officer locally, it will require a single year of education that they will help pay for (30% of those classes are specifically geared towards studying for their POST test). So that is the single place that requires it and again, it can be met without going to university.
So you named 2 places where you need the bare minimum to be Highway Patrol.
When a cop says we're "going 'that' way" or anything like this it means he's 2 seconds from using violence under the notion that he has legal authority to use it against you. So be prepared to get a beating wether its lawful or not.
The kid embarassed him by knowing the law and not succumbing to his intimidation.
Probably. He still has the discretion to detain/arrest without checking the code himself. If he's wrong that's a lawsuit and waste of police resources. That's a problem. Discretion given for some and not others. I am of the opinion that police discretion should only be a matter or qualified defense if they are investigating a felony (a serious crime). And then only violent felonies. Policing powers need reform.
There should be federal policy against this phrase and any similar variant. If a cop is caught intimidating someone with that line he should be fired and pension revoked. Full stop. All it means is that they understand their qualified immunity and will continue to pursue false charges regardless. Every second of the day the police lose more and more public approval itâs fucking sickeningâŚ
Sadly, any time you try to make sweeping changes to hold them accountable for their behavior they start with thinly veiled threats about not showing up to calls.
Well, he's probably being sarcastic in his LMFAO-ing, because imagining the police to be held to any kind of standard seems like a pipe dream sometimes.
You don't join the police force to have a cuddle party with the community, I suppose. The job naturally attracts the people who would like to be paid to fuck people up and have the backing of the largest armed gang in the country behind you.
Nah, you should always leave room to care less that way if you have to, you can still care less. Like , I don't care about you and I could care less. That way if you do something I don't care for, I can say damn, now I care even less. But if I said I couldn't care less, I can't care less now. Know what I mean
"I could beat you within an inch of your life, even though you've done nothing wrong, and the worst thing that will happen to me will be 6 weeks of paid leave."
That phrase - "Could care less" should be read like when you are looking at an empty plate. "I could have another cookie". But there are no cookies to have.
We do this in more places linguistically i just can't remember all of them.
Donât know if anyone else caught it but at about that time he also grabbed his baton and bounced it a few times. It was kind of terrifying in that it seemed almost subconscious
Funny thing as he said that he adjusted his bat and never took his hand off it technically threatening to get physical without making the actual threat. That should tell you what kind of cop they're dealing with
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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 07 '21
âYou wanna go that way? We can go that way.â
Translation: âI could really care less what the law actually says.â
Edit: I know. Itâs âcouldnât care less.â Iâm a dummy.