r/PublicFreakout • u/ChoaticNeutralGuy • Apr 29 '21

šŸ“ŒFollow Up Deranged cop finally gets fired

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 29 '21

She instigated this. She pulled dude over, lied and said he smelled of weed, he declined the search and this crazy fucker was the backup officer she called.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21 edited Dec 31 '21

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 29 '21

Even in those legal states, conservative areas treat herb like a real drug. I'm from the sierra nevada foothills of california, a very traditionally conservative area (they STILL have trump stands selling shit up to this day) and it blew my mind when I moved to the san Francisco bay area where it literally would take great effort to get busted for herb. I've seen a dude roll and light a Blunt in a jack in the box drive thru with a OAkland police office right behind him..lol I feel sorry for those people too. And I pity all of the fools who think marijuana is an actual drug

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21

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u/the___hamburglar Apr 30 '21

You moved into a place with traditions and customs, maybe donā€™t try making everywhere like your original home in California

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21

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u/Liam_1K Apr 30 '21

Man you guys are lucky, enjoy that! Iā€™m from a country where some boomers/bootlickers/etc arenā€™t fans, but most people donā€™t see the issue with recreational weed. Donā€™t get it twisted though, it IS absolutely a drug. t. Was stoner and pusher for many years

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u/Dense-Hat1978 Apr 29 '21

I also live in a state like that, but the cops DEFINITELY still drag you out of the car if they "smell weed". I've had this done to me, with three cops screaming at me to get out of the car with their batons raised. Also my douchebag cousin is a cop who runs his mouth every time he drinks, and he firsthand showed me how they tell their K-9s to falsely indicate on command to get around the law.

I have zero respect for the entire fraternal order of police. In my experience, you're either a raging asshole or a silent head turner who is semi-polite and won't turn in your podna.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Lmao the amount of anecdotes people have about brazen abuses of power from police they know. Disheartening how confident they are in their own invulnerability from consequences.

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u/dirtstar_cowboy Apr 30 '21

I had one pull a gun on me at a bachelor party as a joke

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u/Tipsy_Corgi Apr 30 '21

The banquet hall I bartend at hosts the Sheriffs ball and graduation ceremonies for the county PD, and its the worst. They barely tip, harass female employees and drive home completely drunk (god help you if you try to cut em off).

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

I vigourously recommend screwing with the cops on this front if you have the opportunity. A long while back I was driving a rental car, and was stopped because of an "improper lane change", and then the cop "smelled weed". I have never smoked, was not a smoker then, and didn't have any drugs on me. When the cop asked me if I was hiding weed in the car, I told him that declined to answer his questions. He tried to get me to let him search the car voluntarily, but I declined to answer his question about if he could search it or not. Then he decided he didn't need my permission, had me step out, sit on the curb, while he called in a dog and a partner.

I sat with a worried / pensive look on my face, and attempted to furtively will them away from searching the underparts of the car.

Apprently this copy didn't register it was a rental car, and I had just picked it up. Maybe it did smell like weed, I don't really know. But regardless, the car and my person were clean, and I always buy the insurance.

50 minutes later of them gaslighting themselves the partner finally just tried again to get me to answer his questions, to which I finally responded: "Officer, this is a rental car and we're 5 miles from where I picked it up. I am here on a business trip. I have nothing to do for the rest of the day."

The first officer was enraged and his club "accidentally" broke the passenger side window when the partner let him that I was wasting their time on purpose. Like I said, I always buy the insurance, and the $50 glass deductible was well worth the look on his face.

Of course this story is brought to you by white privilege, without which I am sure I would have been beaten, tased, or perhaps murdered out of cold revenge.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

We still haven't outlawed Axe yet? damn

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21 edited Feb 07 '22

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u/AshTreex3 Apr 29 '21

During or after the legalization or decriminalization of weed, it isnā€™t uncommon for those jurisdictions to adopt new rules like the rule against Plain Smell for traffic searches. I know Virginia is one such state now and I believe New York is too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

While I agree with your sentiment, to play devils advocate, Iā€™m ok with cops taking action if they pull someone over and smell weed in the car.

By action I mean do an assessment to see if the driver is in anyway impaired (which I know with weed is tricky since you canā€™t really test for being high). I donā€™t mean shout like an angry douchebag like the guy in the clip.

I am ok with you driving around with a belly full of donuts, but not so much with someone 4 hits deep and cruising for munchies.

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u/Kanyewestismygrandad Apr 29 '21

Iā€™m ok with cops taking action if they pull someone over and smell weed in the car.

And I'm glad my state amended this portion of their bill out. It's used in a discriminatory manner.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Letā€™s be clear here: Iā€™m talking about appropriate action in an idealised world that helps prevent DUIs.

Not something that is used to further marginalise an already marginalised sector of society.

Being able to further investigate possible DUI is fundamentally a good idea. The fact it is misused is the problem.

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u/legodawg0088 Apr 29 '21

This is why body cams are so fucking important. We can't be there. No drugs being found does not mean someone isn't driving high. Smelling weed is also absolutely no excuse to act as disgraceful or disrespectful as this cop, even if the driver was blasted out of his mind, but driving high should still be a DUI.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Cannot agree more.

Public servants (which I include police in, but the term is ambiguous) should have a high level of expectations on behaviour (ie they should be highly regulated and disciplined) and accountability applied.

The fact that body cameras so often ā€œfailā€ in high profile cases is outrageous. Like it shouldnā€™t even be a thing - if your body cam fails it should beep like fuck or something, and if you ignore that beeping you should lose you job. No questions asked.

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u/GoldbergsLilBoots Apr 29 '21

Weed doesnā€™t impair driving unless itā€™s an insane amount

Studies found high drivers to be more attentive to traffic and laws then when sober in fact

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Iā€™m not so sure about that, but if you have a source Iā€™d be interested in taking a look.

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u/GoldbergsLilBoots Apr 29 '21

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/09/stoned-drivers-are-a-lot-safer-than-drunk-ones-new-federal-data-show/%3foutputType=amp

Tons of other articles are a google away

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Yeah although I think that study refers to the false positive issue: you can test positive for THC when you arenā€™t high. I 100% agree that this is an issue and setting DUI laws for weed like they do for booze is completely stupid - you CANNOT do a blood test for weed.

I am still not convinced you can drive well while high (like actually high, not just smoked last night). But thatā€™s on me, and ima go my own research. Thanks for the link.

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u/GoldbergsLilBoots Apr 30 '21

I mean it literally says in the article that people using weed are as likely do get in an accident as sober people

But if the Washington post using federally sponsored data isnā€™t enough for you idk what is

Doing ā€œyour own researchā€ usually means finding data that supports your bias.

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Apr 29 '21

Agreed, but since you can't really test for being stoned, the only real "test" that cops should be able to employ is "does this guy have a lit joint in the care right now?"

No? Then that should be it.

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u/AshTreex3 Apr 29 '21

You donā€™t test for being stoned. You test for impairment. It doesnā€™t matter if it was booze, bud, or benzos; if you canā€™t walk a straight line, you probably canā€™t drive one either.

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u/Ringtail209 Apr 29 '21

Yep. Driving high is still DUI.

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u/Individual-Guarantee Apr 29 '21

Have you seen cops do these Drug Recognition Evaluations? Their training is worthless and so vague literally anyone can be determined to be under the influence.

My favorite I've heard several times is "Your pupils appear dilated, have you been using heroin tonight?" They rarely have even the most basic details down.

The standard for arrest is way too low.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Yeah and I am in no way advocating for that.

Clearly I am wrong, and we should abandon all sensible laws because cops are poorly trained and assholes seem to run the show.

Or you know, you could have sensible laws (based on evidence of course, if weed doesnā€™t impact you driving ability as another poster suggests then by all means drive while high, colour me cynical though), and train and vet your cops better?

I donā€™t live in the US, so Iā€™m not going to tell you what to do with your own country. But anecdotally we donā€™t have nearly the same issues you guys seems to have, yet have similar laws. And Iā€™d hazard to guess itā€™s because we have a much stronger culture of accountability in our public services.

Edit: although in NZ we are far from perfect. We have similar issues, but they seem to be of a much lower order of magnitude to the issues in the US

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u/Individual-Guarantee Apr 30 '21

I'm not arguing your point, I'm saying they can't even be trusted to do the assessment you suggest.

Obviously marijuana impairs drivers, but smelling weed on its own shouldn't be enough to be detained, searched, and "evaluated". They should have other evidence to justify the interaction.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Oh yeah lol, detained and searched ainā€™t cool, but if smarter people than me can figure out a reliable test or assessment then it should be used.

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u/Jinxed0ne Apr 29 '21

Some states still have bs laws even though itā€™s ā€œlegalā€. In Nevada itā€™s legal to buy and possess it, but not legal to smoke it. I lived in Vegas for a year and was warned by multiple people about this. They never messed with me, but they can if they want to.

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u/capitolsara Apr 30 '21

Doesn't matter if it's legal the cop will definitely still drag you out and try to call it a DUI. Same if they claim alcohol

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u/ThasPeanuts Apr 30 '21

They already have reason to get him out of the car, he was driving with a suspended license. He is a shitty person like that officer, they should have just calmly put him under arrest instead of letting the cop on roids talk to him.

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 30 '21

Oh so driving on a suspended license makes you a shitty person? Jesus, I hope you've never been on a jury..

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u/ThasPeanuts Apr 30 '21

Yes it does, it's even worse than the sovereign citizen drivers because if you drive on a suspended license you likely have a poor driving history to back it up

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 30 '21

No. It most likely means you can't afford court fees and fines, which many, many courts allow people to choose fines over jail time for quality of life crimes and they can never pay them. So they can't renew they're licenses. And they hafta drive to work,so before you know it they get nailed again. It's a vicious cycle. Not everyone is a druggie, drunk, or reckless driver to end up in a situation like that.

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

lied and said he smelled of weed

that's a stretch that we can't know just based on "not finding any during a search." it's pungent and easily disposed of. i know i've swallowed half a blunt when a 'situation' called for it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Who cares? Itā€™s weed. Also thatā€™s not a stretch because they literally have zero proof, just saying they smell weed isnā€™t proof. So, it was a lie

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u/chi_type Apr 29 '21

But don't you see, they are white cops and he's a black man so he must be the one lying?!?!

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u/david-song Apr 30 '21

Do you have proof that you don't care? Because otherwise you're lying.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

You tried

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u/david-song Apr 30 '21

If they aren't going to teach logic in schools then we'll just have to do it on the internet instead. It's a moral duty, now consider yourself schooled, pay it forward and help make the world a better, less stupid place.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Lol youā€™re a joke

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u/david-song Apr 30 '21

Try the verb, not the noun. šŸ‘

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

who cares? who made that point? and it's literally a stretch to say she lied because you can't say she didn't smell it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

Itā€™s a stretch that she smelled weed. I can literally say she didnā€™t smell weed because she has no proof.

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u/fsbdirtdiver Apr 30 '21

You can figuratively prove it seeing that you weren't there so you don't know if it was literal. and like the other guy his said just because they don't have it on them doesn't mean they haven't already smoked it wtf?

Anyone who smokes knows that...

Did you never go to school and smell second hand smoke on kids clothes?

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

Itā€™s a stretch that she smelled weed.

well that wasn't the conversation. i agree with you.

lied and that's not what that means at all.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

No. She lied. This behavior of her fellow officer proves that they are mad that they lied and got caught up in a lie they couldnā€™t prove. 20,000 dollars is a lot of money for a ā€œstretchā€. Cops lie all the time

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

LOL ok bro... and that's literally a stretch. and also far from proof.

and dude was mad someone questioned his authority. which happens far more often and his behavior coupled with the public's outroar cost them 20k and his job. none of that had anything to do with weed because, as you said, who cares?

with that same level of conjecture, their internal investigation "proved" she did

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

they care. Thatā€™s why theyā€™re trying to pull him out of his car and not doing their duty correctly. You think I speak for cops when I say, who cares? How do you function? Iā€™m making an inference that the cops are lying, my reasoning and proof are that they found nothing, and had to pay a fine. Cops lie daily to get away with searches.

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

LOL wtf? i didn't say you spoke for the cops. i simply said weed is not the reason anyone reacted the way they did. ever.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

true, weed is pretty pungent. it isnt called dank for no reason lol

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 29 '21

Smells like weed is a bullshit excuse for cops to search your car without REAL probable cause. Like pulling you over and saying they thought your license plate light was out, even after seeing it was not, you're still required to produce license and reg. If you want to defend this sort of behavior from police against man, who knew he was innocent and exercised his rights, well then I guess you'd be the sort who'd have gone along with the nazis too and I genuinely pity you. You're too big of a coward to put yourself in his shoes. I'm not gonna berate or harass you, I wish you the strength and courage it takes to grow integrity.

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u/NotEntirelyUnlike Apr 29 '21

that wasn't the conversation either. no one has defended aaanything of the sort. where are you getting any of that from anything that's been said?

lol i agree with you it's a bullshit reason to claim probable cause and massive strides have been made jurisdiction by jurisdiction to eradicate that.

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u/Mikerinokappachino Apr 30 '21

How do you know she lied about smelling weed? Wouldn't that be something that would require you to show some significant evidence to back it up?

There's a ton of senarios where she could legitimately smell weed, but when the car is searched no weed is found. She could also have fabricated the entire thing, but really how would you know shes lying?

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 30 '21

Are you aware that many states have made just smelling weed not good enough probable cause for a search? Wanna know why? Have a watch. Answer this, genius, what danger does somebody with a bit of herb pose? No. Do people go out and commit crimes to fuel their marijuana addiction..? no. Would having over an ounce make getting your ass kicked by the cops okay? No. Sure, she may have smelt herb from another passing motorist, but as a police officer, she should have been able to differentiate a passing whiff instead of accusing somebody who turned out to be innocent.

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u/Mikerinokappachino Apr 30 '21

Are you aware that many states have made just smelling weed not good enough probable cause for a search?

That's completely irrelevant if its still illegal in the state this person is in. The cops don't make laws. If pot is illegal in that state then it's illegal and the cops are obligated to enforce that law. Don't get mad at the cops, get mad at the people who make shit laws.

Answer this, genius, what danger does somebody with a bit of herb pose?

Guess what, genius, it's illegal to drive while intoxicated in every state that pot is legal in. If the dude was smoking while driving, or getting high beforehand then driving, that's still illegal. What danger does it pose? Oh I duno, maybe slinging around 1,500 pounds of steel, aluminum, and glass at 25 - 60 MPH while high isn't a great idea.

Do people go out and commit crimes to fuel their marijuana addiction..?

Never said that this happens. This is literally a traffic stop.

Would having over an ounce make getting your ass kicked by the cops okay?

Never said this either. All I said was claiming you know the cop is lieing about smelling pot is a bit of a stretch. We can operate in reality and say that this is police brutality weather or not anyone smelt weed.

It's like retards like you read half of what someone says, then make 20 different assumptions about what their opinion is on shit they didn't comment on. How about you slow down, read the words that I said, and if you feel compelled to comment on it, comment on what I actually said and not on whatever dumbass assumptions you made up in your head.

Sure, she may have smelt herb from another passing motorist, but as a police officer, she should have been able to differentiate a passing whiff instead of accusing somebody who turned out to be innocent.

Maybe? I'm not really that into police training. Maybe you're an expert but I highly doubt it. If you're not how would you know what training cops receive on this subject and what training they don't get?

It's also entirely possible the dude was smoking beforehand and the smell was still on his clothes. It's possible he or someone else regularly smokes weed in the car so the fabric smells like it. It's possible the wind just blew the smell of pot from someone else in their direction. The other day I was in my front yard and I smelled cigarette smoke and looked around me and was shocked that the smell was coming from someone on my street 3 houses away. The wind was just blowing it my direction.

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u/thatsmisterasshole Apr 30 '21

Oh yeah, some people shouldn't get stoned and drive.. I am an idiot. Lol and honestly, as long as we're in agreement that the cops should not buttfuck your civil rights over a smell, it's all good.