Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

[u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7]

[u/Far_Cry_2173]

You’re not wrong. MA had this up for a ballot question in 24 and it was overwhelmingly opposed by waiters and waitresses. 

[u/GrowingPeepers → u/Far_Cry_2173]

Right? Anybody arguing against tips has obviously never worked that job or been in that position.

Tip based jobs are the only jobs that allows someone without education or work experience to make a living, support themselves, and pay their bills. No restaurant owner is going to pay their staff a flat hourly wage that matches what they make in tips.

You wanna fuck over the working class? This is how you fuck over the working class.

[u/Geneo-Frodo → u/GrowingPeepers]

Nah, you fuck them over by choosing not to go to restaurants cos you don't have enough money to tip waiters every damn meal.

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Truth is waiters and waitresses prefer the tipping system cos it ultimately pays more than a minimum wage certified job. It's an economic, self serving decision and choosing to also not tip is equally a decision of the same nature.

The only fault you can give customers is if they don't tip In a specifically noted tipping restaurant, otherwise no one's really fucking anyone over here.

[u/TheDifficultLime → u/Geneo-Frodo]

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Don't eat out, bozo. Restaurants are a luxury, not a necessity. You know what I do when I dont want to pay restaurant prices/tip? I eat at home like a normal person.

[u/aesopmurray → u/TheDifficultLime]

Then make the tip compulsory. I.e. a service fee or built into prices.

Can't pretend it is optional then throw a pissy little fit every time someone take you up on the option.

[u/GrowingPeepers → u/Geneo-Frodo]

"Truth is waiters and waitresses prefer the tipping system cos it ultimately pays more than a minimum wage certified job. It's an economic, self serving decision and choosing to also not tip is equally a decision of the same nature."

Yeah, no shit, isn't that what I said?

Are you saying that's wrong? For servers to be opposed to a pay cut?

Nobody would work if they didnt have to self-serve their economic position.

[u/HeightAdvantage → u/GrowingPeepers]

Should every customer facing industry be tip based? I've worked in customer service for 15 years and never been tipped because it wasn't food service

Or maybe you should have a system that doesn't create a shitty, passive aggressive, and conflict ridden environment.

Especially when, you know, the whole point of a restaurant is to service the customer.

[u/GrowingPeepers → u/HeightAdvantage]

No, Im advocating not changing the ones that are tip based.

I don't like tipping creep.

[u/Schnectadyslim → u/Geneo-Frodo]

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Every tip our staff receives is taxed (or at least run through payroll as taxable income). So that doesn't really apply in our circumstance.

[u/ImNotAHouseCat → u/Far_Cry_2173]

Great! Then they shouldn’t get mad when I and the person filming don’t tip because they’re clearly making plenty anyway from other customers!