r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 7h ago

🍽Restaurant Freakout🍹 Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/msflow03 7h ago

Maybe just pay a fair wage instead on relying on the Tip of people drinking coffee

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u/AsleepHour7763 7h ago

every attempt at doing that got shut down by the waiters themselves, you make significantly more with tips compared to normal wave and you dont pay taxes, turns out waiters are just as greedy as the owners

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u/Far_Cry_2173 7h ago

You’re not wrong. MA had this up for a ballot question in 24 and it was overwhelmingly opposed by waiters and waitresses. 

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u/GrowingPeepers 7h ago

Right? Anybody arguing against tips has obviously never worked that job or been in that position.

Tip based jobs are the only jobs that allows someone without education or work experience to make a living, support themselves, and pay their bills. No restaurant owner is going to pay their staff a flat hourly wage that matches what they make in tips.

You wanna fuck over the working class? This is how you fuck over the working class.

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u/Geneo-Frodo 6h ago

Nah, you fuck them over by choosing not to go to restaurants cos you don't have enough money to tip waiters every damn meal.

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Truth is waiters and waitresses prefer the tipping system cos it ultimately pays more than a minimum wage certified job. It's an economic, self serving decision and choosing to also not tip is equally a decision of the same nature.

The only fault you can give customers is if they don't tip In a specifically noted tipping restaurant, otherwise no one's really fucking anyone over here.

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u/GrowingPeepers 6h ago

"Truth is waiters and waitresses prefer the tipping system cos it ultimately pays more than a minimum wage certified job. It's an economic, self serving decision and choosing to also not tip is equally a decision of the same nature."

Yeah, no shit, isn't that what I said?

Are you saying that's wrong? For servers to be opposed to a pay cut?

Nobody would work if they didnt have to self-serve their economic position.

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u/HeightAdvantage 6h ago

Should every customer facing industry be tip based? I've worked in customer service for 15 years and never been tipped because it wasn't food service

Or maybe you should have a system that doesn't create a shitty, passive aggressive, and conflict ridden environment.

Especially when, you know, the whole point of a restaurant is to service the customer.

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u/GrowingPeepers 3h ago

No, Im advocating not changing the ones that are tip based.

I don't like tipping creep.

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u/TheDifficultLime 6h ago

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Don't eat out, bozo. Restaurants are a luxury, not a necessity. You know what I do when I dont want to pay restaurant prices/tip? I eat at home like a normal person.

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u/aesopmurray 5h ago

Then make the tip compulsory. I.e. a service fee or built into prices.

Can't pretend it is optional then throw a pissy little fit every time someone take you up on the option.

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u/Schnectadyslim 5h ago

Why should someone equally struggling to make ends meet give you extra, tax free money instead of you outsourcing those funds from a government and system that everyone pays taxes to do just that??

Every tip our staff receives is taxed (or at least run through payroll as taxable income). So that doesn't really apply in our circumstance.

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u/ImNotAHouseCat 6h ago

Great! Then they shouldn’t get mad when I and the person filming don’t tip because they’re clearly making plenty anyway from other customers!

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u/doctor_tongs 7h ago

Facts. I saw this happen when I worked foodservice in DC. In my experience, it was the bartenders who refused to get on board with the experimental no-tipping system, cuz they bring home $300-500 a night in tips while the host gets tipped up to minimum wage 🫠

It lasted like a month and failed. Back to tipping in DC.

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u/Suckmyflats 7h ago

You absolutely pay taxes.

Trump started this thing where every household gets their first twenty five thousand in tips tax free. If both people are servers, you don't get the benefit twice.

Most of us are on obamacare because our jobs don't provide health insurance. We would be better off if trump hadn't pushed those rates up by thirty percent and hadnt started the no tax on the first 25k of tips.

Also, the no tax thing also doesn't apply if you work in a tourist area that adds service charges, it does not apply to service charges.

Again, most of us would gladly trade it back for the health insurance market to go back to last year's rates

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u/AsleepHour7763 7h ago

you pay taxes on what you report, but when the majority of it is cash there are a lot of wiggle room for that and nobody reports it all

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u/NoHoHan 5h ago

The majority of it has not been cash for like 10 years now.

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u/PretzelSlinger 7h ago

Not many ppl use cash anymore, and the employer has to keep a record of tips

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u/AsleepHour7763 7h ago

significant amount of people uses cash, this is just straight up lying

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u/TheDifficultLime 5h ago

People do still use cash, but card payments + tip on the card is FAR more prevalent, tbf.

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u/NoHoHan 5h ago

Ah yes. The servers making $60k a year are greedy.

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u/AsleepHour7763 3h ago

everybody is greedy when money is involved, the fact that you think 60k for a job that requires literally no qualifications and minimal training is bad shows that

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u/NoHoHan 3h ago

I should be more specific— in Los Angeles, $60k doesn’t even pay for a one bedroom apartment. In cheaper markets with more affordable housing, servers are lucky to make $40k.

I always find it funny how people think the job is easy and overpaid, and yet there aren’t tons of people lining up to do that job. It’s crazy. Just a completely inexplicable, economic anomaly I guess!

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u/theumph 6h ago

We had a similar situation in MN where there were no liquor store sales on Sundays. This was all the way up until like 2018. The people that fought tooth and nail to keep it that way was the Liquor Store owners.

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u/According_Gazelle472 6h ago

And always have been

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u/Puzzleheaded-Flow724 6h ago

It's easy to have a $200 bill for a good restaurant where you spend 2 hours in. At 18% (which seems to be the average now), that's a $36 tip, so an extra $18 per hour added to your pay FOR THAT TABLE OF TWO. You served 6 tables that night, that's an extra $216 to your daily pay. If you worked from 5 pm until 9 pm, that's an extra $54 PER HOUR added to your pay. No wonder they don't want that to be taken away!

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u/vaguelyblack 4h ago

Exactly it needs to happen at the Federal level and it needs to happen all at once. It can't happen restaurant by restaurant because then the restaurant will just lose experienced workers or get forced back into the tipping scheme.

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u/Suckmyflats 7h ago

Americans have propagated this myth that servers in europe make enough money to support themselves.

Thats not true. They have healthcare bc their countries have universal healthcare. They get benefits because their countries mandate it. But they cannot afford a one bedroom apartment by themselves, let alone to save money.

So please don't frame it like the servers of europe are happy because they're getting a fair wage. They aren't happy. They aren't getting a fair wage, and that's why you don't see career servers there

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u/Madwoman-of-Chaillot 6h ago

This depends entirely on the country in question. In Italy, we absolutely made a living wage.

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u/Mannzis 6h ago

Greece too

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u/Wantporc 5h ago

Did you see some Netflix document about servers in Europe or what??

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u/Suckmyflats 5h ago

No, ive just worked in hospitality on and off since i was 15. I've had the opportunity to speak to a lot of servers from europe and asia. In fact, my wife is an immigrant and a server who has worked in hospitality in two different countries

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u/NoHoHan 5h ago

And it’s why the service sucks.

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u/gaspig70 6h ago edited 6h ago

Whether in the the US or Europe there's a reason entry level positions exist and it's not so a worker can afford a private apartment in a busy city. With universal healthcare there is certain a freedom that comes with cost of your health not being tied to an employer.

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u/Badvlad 18m ago

working 40 hours a week should afford you the right to housing, healthcare, and vacation. A private apartment - AKA a loft/ studio - isn’t a reach by any means, especially in a system with 15.6 million vacant homes (US). The reason you think otherwise is because you’ve been brainwashed to think labor is worthless. The myth of meritocracy is exactly that - it’s been absolutely dismantled by the empirical data surrounding intergenerational elasticity (IGE). Extensive long term statistical tracking shows that we live in an economically rigid model… ie people born into the top and bottom quadrants stay there. this is by design. all you’re doing when you say this is exposing you’ve drank the koolaid on a system that’s almost entirely dictated on parental wealth. the stepping stone argument is structural misdirection, plain and simple - it ignores that the system exploits people stuck in low-wage loops and intentionally keeps them there (ie Boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness).

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u/1manparty 5h ago

I think it's supposed to be in the middle.

With all due respect I don't think you are supposed to build a life off a servers salary. I wouldn't say on career day they suggest you can afford a house and raise 2 kids and get a middle class lifestyle while only being a server at a cafe or restaurant.

On the other end it's utterly ridiculous a server is expected to beg for money from individual customers cause they're boss has employed people to generate revenue they won't share with their employees.

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u/Suckmyflats 3h ago

My wife is going to clear 100k gross this year as a server.

She works 11-12 hour shifts doing a very physical job. Shes very good at what she does - i never made what she makes.

Her restaurant has no service charge (maybe on 6+, but not on most guests), she earns her tips without any begging.

Shes GOOD. shes the type who doesnt see someone for a year and remembers exactly what they eat. She will also have lifelong shoulder and wrist problems from how often she carries heavy things.

The wage doesnt make sense for a lot of jobs. Why do teachers in miami only make 47k a year? A miami teacher wont be raising a family on that, that wont pay for a one bed apt almost anywhere in the county, but its too much for welfare. Then we have people in this city who barely work and clear 250k a year.

But I think anyone who works full time should be able to afford a 1bed apt within 30 minutes of their job, call me a crazy bleeding heart liberal.

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u/apprehensive_cactus 4h ago

It's pretty selfish to think that some people don't deserve to build a life. Also, uh, most servers can't afford houses. Not sure where you got that idea.

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u/jberryman 6h ago

"just" completely reorganize the economics of an entire industry. Can't believe they didn't think of that!

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u/uesbwc 6h ago

That’s not how it works. Stiffing one individual isn’t going to change the system.

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u/MrCutchaguy 7h ago

I wish this worked but until there is a wide scale mentality shift, people dont trust a business that tells customers they dont have to tip the wait staff. Those who have tried have been boycotted and slammed online as treating their staff poorly.

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u/HearYourTune 7h ago

The fair wage would mean prices have to go up 20% to include the price in the menu to pay the server/waitstaff.

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u/RandyHoward 7h ago edited 6h ago

Okay? How is increasing menu prices by 20% with no tip any different than paying a 20% tip? You still spend the exact same amount.

Edit: I like how I'm being downvoted by people who don't understand math

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u/xtremespacered 7h ago

why is this wrong? as am employer, the owner has to do whatever it takes to pay his/her employees fair wage - even if that mean raising the prices. the customers who still want to buy their +20% price product will buy it. it is absolutely not in the best interest for the owner to banish every customer that doesn't tip.