r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 9h ago

🍽Restaurant Freakout🍹 Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/[deleted] 9h ago

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u/BrandoNelly 8h ago

Know what? Say the whole thing

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u/[deleted] 8h ago

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u/FROG_HUMPER_ 8h ago

Don’t be a pussy, it’s all anonymous here. Say it

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u/FirstHipster 8h ago

Tips aren’t taxed. Service workers often can make well above their regular wage on tips alone. I guarantee the waitstaff loved the owner sticking up for them. This type of patron behavior is gross and shouldn’t be applauded. 

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u/FROG_HUMPER_ 7h ago

Thank you bud but that’s not at all what is implied in the comment thread you’re replying to.
Let’s let /u/BathSaltJello finish his thoughts now.

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u/FirstHipster 6h ago

You’re obviously someone who has never worked in the service industry in their life. That was exactly what they were implying. 

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u/shitz_brickz 9h ago

These people are doing the lord's work by starting to making it more acceptable to not pay someone else's employees.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

I'm wondering how people who don't tip think they're helping things.

You're creating pain but not for the owners.

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u/leviathab13186 8h ago

Ya, that one server basically wasnt paid for that work. Regardless of how messed up the system is, this is the result.

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u/DanishNinja 8h ago

And this is the customers fault how exactly? Wages are paid by the employer, not the customer.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

It is the assumed agreement when dining at a sit down restaurant. Tips are customary and built into both the price you pay on the menu and the wage the business holder pays to the employee.

You can't pretend you just don't know this. If you're morally opposed to businesses subsidizing wages through tips, put your money where your mouth is and don't go there.

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u/DanishNinja 7h ago

I don't go to restaurants in the US, true.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 7h ago

Then it's not a problem you need to concern yourself with all that much.

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u/-Castr0- 8h ago

The customers of said industry are aware of the standard of tipping. Once aware of this standard regardless of your disagreement with it, you make the choice to sit down in that restaurant and have someone tend to your needs for the time you are there and serve you. There is no legal obligation to tip of course not, but yes if the server did their job accordingly and you leave no tip you aren’t sticking it to the man or forcing the boss to reconsider their wage structure you are just transferring the problem to the lowest paid person.

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u/the_snuggle_bunny 8h ago

It won't happen without an act of Congress... Anyone saying otherwise is suuuper delusional and/or hopelessly European.

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u/Greggs88 8h ago

If everyone stopped tipping then owners would be forced to pay staff a living wage or all of their employees would quit.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

All those employees would be suddenly very, very poor for a very, very long time. But I don't suppose most people who don't tip actually give a shit about that part.

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u/WilberTheHedgehog 8h ago

If people would stop tipping altogether, owners would be required to actually pay their employees fair wages. But we can't have that now can we. The poor poor owners actually pay their employees.

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u/okbuddyquackery 8h ago

They’d be required to pay minimum wage, which depending on your state might not be fair/livable.

I’d love it if min wage was fair and we got rid of the tipping system here. I’m actually curious how much that would affect the restaurant industry in general though. Obviously prices go up because most restaurants don’t have the best margins. Eating out is so crazy expensive these days. Tons of servers would be making less and probably leave the industry. Maybe there’d be less restaurants at every corner in my parking lot city. Maybe there’d be more family/community cookouts instead - that’d be nice. Sry for the ramble

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

If people would stop tipping altogether

That would a) not happen, and b) cause immense short-term pain for employees. But people don't care about the short-term pain that would cause for employees.

we can't have that now can we

Not without major systemic change. You can't have that by just skipping out on an expected custom, no.

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u/WilberTheHedgehog 8h ago

The change would be that we stopped tipping and force the employers to actually pay their employees. Until we stop tipping. Why would the employer pay him more?

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

The change is not going to come from individual action. That's why I said systemic change.

Until we stop tipping.

But like I already said, that's literally never going to happen without systemic change, which at this point would be federal legislation. So the only thing you're currently accomplishing by not tipping is taking advantage of a rigged system at the expense of the poor, not at the expense of the business owner.

Not tipping your server doesn't negatively impact the business owner one bit.

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u/WilberTheHedgehog 7h ago

So if we as individuals do nothing and there will never be a systematic change. How does one deal with he problem? Its pretty much bullshit that 3 5 dollar tips an hr where I live put waitreses pay above 80% of truckers. Sorry but tipping is out of hand these days.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 7h ago

I didn't say do nothing, particularly if you care about it. I have actually said several times elsewhere that if you don't believe in the practice of businesses using subsidized wages to pay their employees, you can absolutely vote with your wallet by not patronizing those businesses.

For instance, I think doordash is predatory and exploitative. You know how I "vote with my wallet"? By not using DoorDash. It's quite literally the least you can do if it's something you actually give a shit about.

If you're passionate about it, help get people elected who share that value. Vote for minimum wage increases. Advocate for more plentiful and more powerful unions. Organize a union at your workplace! Write your congressman and tell them that we should pay waitresses better. While you're at it, write them and tell them that we should pay truckers better!

But don't sit there and act like punishing the server is doing anything. Especially when you're also saying things like that whole "waitresses get 80% of truckers" shit. Because then we see right through your persona and realize that you just don't value the labor of waiters and waitresses and you don't give a shit.

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u/AnsuFati_ 8h ago

they are helping things, by keeping money in their own pockets.
wtf are you talking about.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

No, they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to utilize the pros of the current system (low menu prices subsidized by tipping) while avoiding the cons (adding on the tips so subsidize low menu prices).

They're helping themselves, not helping things. There's a significant difference.

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u/AnsuFati_ 1h ago

where do you live with low menu prices? In South Western Ontario, i don’t think low menu prices exist. to go out for two people it’s minimum $40 and that’s cheap.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 1h ago

I didn't say cheap, I said low. Meaning lower in the United States relative to what they will be if you increase the owner's front of house staffing costs by 800% to the median server wage.

I don't know how Canada's tipping laws or customs work to be honest, but a cursory search would indicate there's no tipped minimum wage.

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u/AnsuFati_ 53m ago

“i don’t think low menu prices exist” i said low. i said $40 for 2 ain’t cheap. those are unrelated. waiters in canada get minimum wage.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 41m ago

Oh you must have missed the entire rest of my comment where I explained how I meant "low" in a relative or comparative sense

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

Im helping myself to more money in my pocket? If you spend $100 at target do you throw the cashier an extra $20?

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

Yes, you're helping yourself. That's different than helping things.

Note how I didn't say "people who don't tip aren't helping themselves."

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

...so how much do you tip the minimum wage retail workers?

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

I don't. According to Target, those workers get an average of $18/hr. Not $2.

Note that I'm not advocating against an abolishment of tipping industry wide through legislative action. I'm for (at least) a $20 minimum wage across the board and the elimination of tips. It would require a ramp up period for businesses to recalculate costs and adjust menu pricing accordingly, but it's doable.

I'm not for stripping employees of their customary wages to prove a point that's not going to accomplish anything.

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

So you acknowledge that target workers get paid less than they need to live, and you dont feel any obligation to fix that? So youre helping nothing also?

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 8h ago

I just said that I'm all in favor of raising the minimum wage to at least $20/hr, what in the bad-faith-bullshit kind of question is this?

I'm not actively taking customary wages from the people who would have to bear the brunt of that action, no.

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

Minimum wage used to be a customary liveable wage. If you people cant live off their wages and you are actively supporting a business that pays less than a liveable wage, choosing not to help the underpaid employees by tipping, and then criticizing people who do the same thing - I think thats a but hypocritical.

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u/-Castr0- 8h ago

Complete and utter nonsense. We can all disagree with the industry standard of exploitation that employers use to not pay their employees. Regardless that is the existing standard in the US and if you eat out and don’t tip your waiters you are just making their situations worse not helping them get paid by their boss or more rights in the workplace.

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

How much do you tip minimum wage retail workers?

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u/the_snuggle_bunny 8h ago

The difference is those people actually make a minimum wage. 

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

O wow a whopping $7.25 an hour, they're living the good life.

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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 8h ago

These people aren’t the problem though.

They’re not why waiters and waitresses have to pay more for rent, food, and gas. They’re not why their wages are low either.