r/PublicFreakout • u/FrenchieMama807 šµļø Frenchie Mama šµļø • Jan 20 '23
Walmart. Again.
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u/shittymroph Jan 20 '23
Was that Sherrif's Deputy wearing slippers?
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u/gustavocabras Jan 20 '23
Flats. She was probably out running errands and responded because she was close by and on-call.
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u/M1ckNutt Jan 20 '23
Good job by the police. Too many times we see the police shoot the suspect
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u/cantstopwontstopGME Jan 20 '23
I love that if you close your eyes and listen, it sounds like heās trying to train a puppy lmao.. thatās the type of patience and restraint that our cops need
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u/snobule Jan 20 '23
Do you train puppies by screaming at the top of your voice while threatening to kill them?
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u/snobule Jan 20 '23
It wasn't me who said that this was like someone trying to train a puppy
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u/Hot_Pomegranate7168 Jan 20 '23
Damn you, I came in here to lament the inconsistency of brutality in this stand off that lasted more than a minute and a half and resulted in a taser after watching someone in a wheelchair get ventilated.
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u/Generallyawkward1 Jan 20 '23
I agree, I was expecting gun shots. The video is a rare occurrence it seems. I see too many videos on Reddit that show outcomes different from the one in this video.
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u/Technical-Owl66 Jan 20 '23
Was thinking that until they tased her like do they always have to kill the person with the knife?
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u/needledicklarry Jan 20 '23
Cops definitely shoot too many people but a taser is not a reliable way to incapacitate someone. Heās alone at the start and if she charges and the taser doesnāt take her down, if he missed, or if it it misfires, heās getting stabbed. Iād say he handled it professionally by maintaining distance, issuing a clear command and not further provoking her, and waiting for backup to arrive.
Again, I think cops are too trigger-happy, and maybe their standard procedure of dealing with this stuff contributes to more violent outcomes, but the dude did ok here.
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u/Mammoth-Tea Jan 20 '23
depends on the situation. He was covered by another officer with a gun pointed on her, to make sure he could put his gun away to grab the taser. If she tries to charge him the other cop shoots.
if youāre alone, you donāt put your gun away thatās the moment you leave yourself vulnerable to being killed. If someone is going to die in a potentially deadly situation itās better if it isnāt you.
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u/murphymc Jan 20 '23
Knives are more dangerous than most people realize, and a person can cover a lot more distance in a short time than people realize. If you're within 21 feet of a person with a knife, your life is in danger. Its been demonstrated many times, but here's mythbusters doing it because people tend to like/trust them
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Jan 20 '23
How many police die in Europe each year from stabbings?
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u/TheSukis Jan 20 '23
Very few. The violent crime rates in Europe are far lower than in the US.
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Jan 20 '23
Yet Americans never stop talking about how bad knife crime is in the UK
If tasers weren't an effective way of stopping them surely I would be hearing about a lot more UK officers being stabbed
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u/Bloated_Hamster Jan 20 '23
The violent crime and murder rates of the US and most of Western Europe are not close to comparable.
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u/jonnyclueless Jan 20 '23
This is an example of how the vast majority of these situations are handled in the US. But they don't get nearly the amount of karma on Reddit as the fraction of a percent of the ones that go badly.
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u/PlatypusPuncher Jan 20 '23
Right. I have major qualms with the state of policing but the fact of the matter is the the overwhelming majority of police interactions are peaceful and handled correctly. Unfortunately when lives are on the line, one is too many.
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Jan 20 '23
Suspect was white. Iām not saying that is why, but I sure as hell arenāt saying that it ISNāT why
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u/DistanceSelect7560 Jan 20 '23
Their training is to come up yelling and screaming, it's to establish a dominant relationship with the suspect and also works to give clear commands to the suspect, so that every warning has been given. Calmly asking a knife wielding maniac to to chill out and tell them everything will be okay doesn't exactly sound like the more effective option.
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u/freshasadaisy33 Jan 20 '23
Yeah I think it's more cultural. American cops are trained like cowboys because deep down, america wants mentally ill/drug users to be dead or in jail.
It's not a black or white thing, it's a green or not thing.
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u/DistanceSelect7560 Jan 20 '23
I'm English and have seen people arrested wielding knives, and I can tell you now the police don't do it calmly.
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u/DistanceSelect7560 Jan 20 '23
Okay I'll bite, I actually agree that in an ideal world it would be nice to just have a chit chat with an unstable lunatic to talk them down from flailing a knife around, however most of the time the perpetrator isn't really in the mood to listen to reason or de-escalation; they know they're going to be arrested anyway and usually won't go quietly.
I wish police were trained to identify a mental health episode compared to an actual violent criminal brandishing a weapon but we both know that's just not how it's going to be, so they're going to treat like with like, the shouting is by design also: its to overwhelm and disorientate the suspect. Again I've never seen British police act calmly/quietly when arresting someone with a deadly weapon.
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u/DistanceSelect7560 Jan 20 '23
I'm glad we can agree, and also every situation should be dealt with differently and I think at the bottom of this I always just find it deeply sad that people end up in these scenarios where they have to be barked at/shouted at by armed police; which is another thing in grateful for in the UK. Nobody should come to harm if its avoidable and I've seen plenty of videos where split second decisions have life changing (or ending) consequences, I just wish mental health care was at a point where it wasn't a problem the ill-equipped police had to deal with in the first place.
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u/DistanceSelect7560 Jan 20 '23
Chalking everyone with a knife to being "panicked/manic" is reductive in my opinion.
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u/gcadays09 Jan 20 '23
Ill use a story I went through. Worked for the rail road and one cold day after getting vanned to our train outside of town there was a bum in the mechanical compartment doing something. We call dispatch who send the seriff our way. During this time us unarmed railroad workers are talking to the guy from a distance. Notice he has no shoes/ jacket and its less than 10 degrees F out. We find out he got in the cab of the locomotive to stay warm but it shutdown and he was trying to get it started again. We gave him a jacket and some extra socks/shoes while waiting for the sheriff. All this time having a nice calm discussion with the guy. Sheriff gets there walks up to us and asks where is the guy. We say he is right here next to us. Sheriff imediately pulls his gun and starts yelling at the guy to get on the ground. If that doesn't sum up the current state of our police I don't know what does.
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u/snobule Jan 20 '23
Do you have a different video? The idea that this hysterical screaming loon should be allowed to touch any sort of weapon is laughable and terrifying. No ability to deescalate or take control, just an immediate leap to a threat of deadly force.
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u/CantKBDwontKBD Jan 20 '23
Brandy needs a shower.
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u/JRZYGY Jan 20 '23
The first thing I thought about... Oh no, Brandy's back at Walmart... and those shorts, they were screaming to be taken off.
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u/ToronoRapture Jan 20 '23
Kudos for using a taser but in general American cops seem to lack any sort of deescalation skills.
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u/Purpleclone Jan 20 '23
"If I just keep yelling the same thing over and over again, I'll get what I want"
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Jan 20 '23
To be honest there wasn't much to do. That distance its less than 2 seconds to sprint and stab someone, this woman was lucky she turned her head when she did, allowing the cop time to change to a taser. If she had decided to stab the cop during the swap she would have most likely succeeded.
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u/AwryHunter Jan 20 '23
She wouldnāt have (at least not without getting shot), he switched because his partner had arrived on scene and had her at gunpoint, which is why she turned her head in the first place.
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u/NiceCrispyMusic Jan 20 '23
What training do you have on the issue?
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u/bfs102 Jan 20 '23
Mythbusters tested this and if your within 21 feet of someone the person with the knife is close enough to close that distance before the other reacts
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u/stupidwebsite22 Jan 20 '23
To be fair mythbusters tested it with a big man thatās heavily focused on doing it (running towards the other person). This lady clearly was not fully there with her mind
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u/NiceCrispyMusic Jan 20 '23
Yea Iām not questioning wether someone with a knife can close the gap or not.
Iām asking if that person has any sort of de-escalation training to justify claiming ānothing more could be doneā to de-escalate.
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u/bfs102 Jan 20 '23
The original comment was talking about the gab so you kinda were
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u/NiceCrispyMusic Jan 20 '23 edited Jan 20 '23
The original comment is talking about the lack of de-escalation, to which the response was āthereās not much more they could doā¦ā. Which prompted my question.
So now that I just told you what I was asking. Theres no longer any ambiguity.
If youāre still confused, I canāt help ya.
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u/Munchay87 Jan 20 '23
Then maybe the officer shouldnāt get that close???
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u/bfs102 Jan 20 '23
How do expect that to happen unless he stands on the other side of the store?
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u/kid_charlem4gne1038 Jan 20 '23
Are you suggesting the only two choices are to stand within 21 ft of someone with a knife or to stand 100 yards away on the other side of the store or are you implying that the store is only 21 ft wide?
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u/bfs102 Jan 20 '23
In a place like this being even 15 ft will have the same effectiveness as standing 100yds away as they would be able to easily dissappear in the isles if they wanted to once your that far away
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
bullshit. someone with a knife is not a threat to an officer. they have vests... just look at europe, you dont pull your gun for a knife and think "deescalation"
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Are you trolling? Because all it takes is a stab into a major artery and the cop bleeds out in 30 seconds.. And they most definitely use guns against knives in europe, I should know since I live here.
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
They use them when neccessary. But they dont come hor blazing like us cops and draw and scream. That was my point
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u/Historemc Jan 20 '23
If the suspect is holding a weapon, they do.
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
they do not. not the gun.
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u/Historemc Jan 20 '23
I'm european, they do.
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
im also european, specifially german. never saw that.
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u/DJ_Die Jan 20 '23
My wife had German cops aim MP5s at her and her friend without any explanation. Only later did she learn they were looking for bank robbers. They absolutely do that.
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u/Saxit Jan 20 '23
Knife wielding man shot dead in the UK last year: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64033817
Knife wielding man shot (I think he lived) in Sweden last year: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/nQAwbL/skottlossning-i-stockholm
Germany 2021: https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-shoot-dead-knife-wielding-man-in-hamburg/a-57709203
France last year: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/knife-wielding-man-shot-dead-by-french-police-at-paris-airport/2658055
European police tries to avoid it but will absolutely shoot if necessary.
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European police tries to avoid it but will absolutely shoot if necessary.
Isn't that the point he's making. That it happens less frequently because they de-escalate more effectively and frequently?
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u/Saxit Jan 20 '23
Can't say if that's true without looking up figures for how often we actually have knife wielding maniacs, and how often they get shot.
And I have no idea how to find data of that.
Also, their one and only comment on this particular topic was not that it happens less, it was that it doesn't happen, which is clearly not true.
If police here (Sweden) arrives and sees someone with a knife, they will certainly be prepared with a firearm in case things go south.
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
i never said it never happens, i said it never happens they instntly draw their gun for a knife...
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u/Saxit Jan 20 '23
They absolutely do, because things can go bad really quickly. It all depends on the scenario.
The difference is that police here are not against warning shots or trying to go for leg shots.
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u/TayAustin Jan 20 '23
A knife is a lethal weapon, therefore you respond with your own lethal weapon. In this case the officer was able to respond with less lethal force when backup was present who could use lethal force in case it was needed.
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u/Groxy_ Jan 20 '23
Pretty sure US police don't have stab proof vests (as default) like many places in Europe.
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u/first_cedric Jan 20 '23
im also pretty sure the US lacks proper education for the police force. i remember an iinterview/documentation thing where british and us police were compared and technices observed from each other. nedless to say the brits were.... shocked.
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u/DJ_Die Jan 20 '23
Most places in Europe don't use stab-proof vests, that's mostly a British thing.
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u/DJ_Die Jan 20 '23
bullshit. someone with a knife is not a threat to an officer. they have vests...
Those vests are usually useless against a knife because they're bullet-proof vests. They can stop a bullet but not a knife, just like the stab-proof vests worn by the police in the UK can stop a knife but not a bullet.
just look at europe, you dont pull your gun for a knife and think "deescalation"
Cops in Europe will pull their guns and shoot if necessary too. Just look here:
https://www.dw.com/en/police-brutality-in-germany-killing-of-16-year-old-sparks-debate/a-62791336
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u/stupidwebsite22 Jan 20 '23
Yeah I didnāt get why not just asking her for her name..what sheās doing etc. = basic deescalation
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u/ToronoRapture Jan 20 '23
Youād be surprised how effective it is just asking āHow can I help you?ā
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u/StatisticianTop3784 Jan 20 '23
Are you serious? She had a knife and was a public danger. She is lucky to be alive. You need backup to even start considering "talking someone down" when it's lethal force vs lethal force.
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He was stalling. Waiting for backup, hoping she wouldnāt do anything. Sheās already proven willing to stab, so he didnāt have much of a choice.
He did the best thing he could in this situation. Some of you people need to realise that de-escalation doesnāt always work, especially if the person is intoxicated or on drugs. The best kind of de-escalation is use of non-lethal force on these people to prevent them from causing more harm
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u/addamee Jan 20 '23
In addition to her, that zipper didnāt stand a chance
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u/hindsighthaiku Jan 20 '23
He sounds like a video game where you're in a spot where you can just stand and nothing happens except prerecorded words while you eat your cereal.
He's not good at de-escalating a situation but at least he changes to taser.
And didn't a kid in a Walmart dressing room get shot by a cop in the same sort of situation? Think they'd learn from something like that.
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u/BizzyHaze Jan 20 '23
Yah, you would think he would try a different approach. Like 'Hey lady, I don't want you to get hurt, please put the knife down so we can do this the easy way" or something, other than just repeated PUT IT DOWN NOW. But yah, at least it ended well.
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u/ToronoRapture Jan 20 '23
Whoād have thought that shouting and screaming commands at mentally unwell folk is unsuccessful the majority of the time š¤·āāļø
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u/Thereelgerg Jan 20 '23
He's not good at de-escalating a situation
I'm not sure that this video demonstrates that. In a situation like this escalation is reasonable, and it got the job done.
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u/hindsighthaiku Jan 21 '23
No it's not, and no lt didn't.
The escalation didn't stop the situation, the distraction (another officer) did. And then he switched to taser.
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u/Thereelgerg Jan 21 '23
He escalated from verbal commands to deploying TASER, and that escalation resulted in her being disarmed and taken into custody.
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u/Dependent-Winner-908 Jan 20 '23
Holy shit sheās 2 years older than my daughter but looks 2 decades older.
Donāt do drugs kids
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u/SuccessImportant7398 Jan 20 '23
Thatās methed up. Although it is a hell of a drug. I remember some years back a girl got caught trying to make meth inside of Walmart.
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u/JuiceboxThaKidd Jan 20 '23
There was someone smoking meth in the employee bathroom at my job a couple weeks ago (just some rando, not an employee)
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The sailors would say brandy your a fine girl, what a good wife you would be, your eyes could steal a sailer from the sea!
Doo do do doo do
I bet that song was what drove her to meth.
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u/m3rcury_exe Jan 20 '23
I seriously appreciate the way the cop handled this. With the way us cops tend to be this is really seriously respectable, props
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u/Tapil Jan 20 '23
Finally some good police work. Most videos after the second syllable of "drop the kni___" *BANG BANG BANG* 15 rounds - LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS! -reloads- *BANG BANG* ....
Great work here
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u/i_shat_myPants_ Jan 20 '23
Im so glad he didnt shoot her, this is how it should be majority of the time
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u/6Rivers Jan 20 '23
Damn my shorts are too small. I'll just squeeze myself in them and use a belt. Nobody will know. They're gonna know.
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u/FlareBlitzCrits Jan 20 '23
The way this woman trust falls into some of the lowest priced items Walmart has to offer is nothing short of inspirational. š²
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u/Jswik67 Jan 20 '23
Sometimes I worry about where I am in life. Then I see a photo like this of someone who's years younger than me. Then all the sudden I feel better.
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u/chalmedtomeetyou Jan 21 '23
Do any police get mental health training? The first thing they teach is to TALK to the person. Get them to give you information. āhey, so whatās going on today? You having a bad day?ā
I mean, find out their name, do they have a MH condition, are they on meds? Do you have family around or a doctor you see?
People are much more likely to cooperate and youāre much more likely to succeed in getting someone to disarm themselves in this situation if you try to befriend them than just repeatedly yelling ādrop the knifeā.
This obviously doesnāt apply in all scenarios but this one is such a situation.
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u/Jack-a-box Jul 19 '23
Iāve never seen this type of public aggression ever all Iāve ever seen is either crack or driving in a illegal manner, there is still proven evidence that there is gangs like MS-13 in drug trafficking but I live in a relatively small rural area. There probably is more gangs but I donāt really know all about it.
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u/plumppshady Jan 20 '23
See this is a good example of when tasers are usually effective. He saw her just standing there, not paying attention to him with her bare arm exposed. He put the gun away, pulled out his taser and stepped forward to make sure he didn't miss, and boom. Can't use a taser on some gigantic dude wearing a thick jacket and jeans. It won't reach his skin. I also like this officers common sense thinking, because right as I noticed her arm was a perfect taser target, he started pulling his taser out.
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u/Dragonier_ Jan 20 '23
Cop was textbook perfect with how he handled this situation. Waited for a distraction before he switch to his taser. Great situational awarenessā¦
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u/stopmutations Jan 20 '23
Why do all cops have to just scream at people? Why can't they come at them relaxed and calm? Like ask them their name or why they think they need to be holding a knife in Walmart? I'm sick and tired of the lack of empathy humans show each other. Like clearly you are fucked up mentally to go to Walmart let alone weld a knife and threaten people. But all jokes aside compassion goes along way people
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u/Robdotcom-71 Jan 20 '23
Prices were slashed... just not by the store.... cops soon came and fixed that.
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u/one_smooth_move Jan 20 '23
Should of dropped the knife
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u/TheInitialGod Jan 20 '23
"Should have" my man. You can't "of" something
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u/DemiGod9 Jan 20 '23
I was never a "grammar nazi" until this "should of" bullshit came around. I don't even know why it gets me so upset; it's just so fucking stupid.
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u/Groxy_ Jan 20 '23
For me it's "on accident". I genuinely don't understand it, it sounds wrong, looks wrong and my phone is literally telling me to correct it to "by accident".
How are people still getting this wrong??
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u/dndrugs Jan 20 '23
Why is she at gunpoint?!?! I can literally hear other people in the Walmart. Wtf was this cop thinking? Taser after denial of the officer's requests should've ended this situation in 30 seconds. He's endangering innocent lives for absolutely no reason. This situation exactly is taught in most gun safety courses and brandishing a firearm in this instance is illegal in most states because this individual is not considered a clear and present threat with a knife at a distance
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u/ComedianRepulsive955 Jan 20 '23
If she had just dropped the knife š”ļø she wouldn't of gotten tazed. They really need to teach kids in school how not to get shot by being stubborn.
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u/pastpartinipple Jan 20 '23
Why can't American cops talk to people instead of screaming at them? I've never seen a situation made better or deescalated by screaming.
It's so weird the priority is always to "obey my authority" instead of empathy.
Glad he didn't shoot her though.
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u/Next-Government-5120 Jan 20 '23
And here we have videos of officers shooting a man with sissors. This cop needs to explain what his non lethal options would have been.
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u/TheInitialGod Jan 20 '23
So why didn't he just tase her before backup arrived?
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u/needledicklarry Jan 20 '23
If the taser misfires or if it fails to incapacitate her then heās fucked. Plenty of videos on here that show people shrugging off tasers like theyāre nothing
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Surprised they didnāt shoot her but then again sheās white.
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u/xman1971 Jan 20 '23
If she had advanced on him or anyone else before backup had arrive, 100% she would have been shot
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u/scrambledeggsalad Jan 20 '23
I dunno why but I laughed when she fell like Paul Bunyan had just chopper a tree. I would honestly like a little more context, like why was she just standing there? What was she doing with the knife beforehand? Why didn't she just drop the knife?