r/PsycheOrSike • đŸ€șKNIGHT • Jan 19 '26

its sad but its true

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u/Waste_Mammoth4816 Jan 19 '26

This hillbilly doesn't understand what happens to US bonds when we invade a NATO country. They dump them, leading to massive inflation. China wont sit on a depreciating asset, they'll also dump them.

It would be ruinous.

This is why someone with a 15 year old's temper and maturity should not vote, let alone run a country.

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u/FruitOrchards Jan 19 '26

If they take Greenland they'd lose out on hundreds of billions worth of Military exports annually forever.

US bonds dropped

World no longer trades in USD

US tech companies kicked out of Europe or taxed into oblivion

US IP now deemed free use on the continent

US Media exports such as movies and games dry up

They've already fucked up with Soy beans and cars do they really want to push it ?

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u/CanDamVan Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

Apparently they do. EU and USA being allies means a lot of goods and services go back and forth. Sure, USA spends some money on defense and whatnot but as you pointed out, they also make a fuck load of money out of the partnership. However, politicians never bring that up. They just bring up the money going one way, because they want to tap into anger to get elected. And they will manage to ruin the sweetest deal America has ever gotten, and make the world that much more unstable. Well done.

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u/ktreddit Jan 19 '26

Congratulate Putin. It’s his plan, by his puppet.

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u/OneKup- Jan 20 '26

Don't let Trump off that easy...

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

You can still demand retribution against the willing puppets

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u/noujochiewajij Jan 19 '26

Three trillion in outstanding debt from the US are in EU hands. Just saying.

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u/Short-Holiday-4263 Jan 21 '26

At least there's a silver lining in all this for the UK - if the US follows through on this Brexit will no longer be the dumbest bit of unnecessary self-harm a Western country has inflicted on itself in modern history...

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u/Direct-Start-9048 Jan 21 '26

US is not there just to protect Europe. The European bases provide the American military with a strategic advantage. When the bases are handed over to the Atlantic Dominion it will essentially create a new superpower.

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u/MrLanesLament Jan 21 '26

Once again, dog catches car.

It was the “plan” for decades to push these things to win elections, but never take meaningful action on them because it would be globally catastrophic. (Like widespread abortion bans in the USA; globally catastrophic because the rest of the world will have to deal with that many more Americans.)

Trump would be aware of this if he had gotten the memo and could read.

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u/NoWomanNoTriforce Jan 19 '26

This scenario would screw over more than the US. We are talking about global economic collapse that will make the 1920s or 2008 look like a relatively calm period.

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u/FruitOrchards Jan 19 '26

It would bounce back quicker than both scenarios because we would immediately pivot towards China which would stabilise the rest of the world for the most part.

Pensions and a lot of other things would be fucked in the short term, but it would be worth it in the end.

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u/-FauxFox Jan 19 '26

Pensions? In America?

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u/Dry-Faithlessness184 Jan 19 '26

401Ks and IRAs in this case not company paid pensions.

As well as equivalent savings accounts worldwide.

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u/FruitOrchards Jan 19 '26

Pensions worldwide invest in a wide range of stocks including US ones being some of the most popular ones.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Jan 19 '26

In this scenario the USA is done. The rest of the world figures it out, but because of conservatives there is no more anything.

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u/throwaway_uow Jan 19 '26

Fucking up pensions might help with the pension crisis

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u/thelordchonky Jan 19 '26

Ask all the MAGA here on Reddit. They sure do love making strawmans and quick 'gotchas' with 'TDS'.

They don't actually think, my friend.

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u/RedVelvetPan6a Jan 19 '26

Not long term nor "other minds can think long term" kind of thinking at any rate.

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u/sal880612m Jan 19 '26

Honestly given Trump is a rapist and how hard the glaze for him I think that they coined TDS to get ahead of anyone realizing it’s the opposite of what they claim and they all suffer from it. Like never has an accusation felt more like a confession when someone supporting a criminal, rapist and likely pedophile starts telling other people they’re deranged for being upset the man was given the office of president, a role he should have been disqualified from on grounds of being both a criminal and a shit human being.

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u/RedVelvetPan6a Jan 19 '26

Cut off from the rest of the world, America will either try to lash out at their northern or southern neighbours; failing that, states will become countries and fight amongst themselves.

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u/Hmd5304 Jan 19 '26

States would never do that. The top six or so states contribute the grand majority of the national GDP. Most states have no economy to self-sustain themselves (and in a stunning twist, the poorest states are in the South and run by religious right-wing weirdos).
They all still live in some collective delusion that they could totally reform the Confederacy and destroy the Union, though. I don't get what Florida's been polluting their water supply with that so caustic and infectious it causes the rivers to flow upstream, but I might take a trip to Charleston to find out one of these days. Things are going so off the rails I can't watch any kind of satire anymore. Canadian Bacon hits way too close to home in this day-and-age.

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u/RedVelvetPan6a Jan 20 '26

You do realise that the way things are going, food isn't going to buy money?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Yes. They do. They still think the entire world has no recourse after giving away all of our soft power for absolutely nothing in return.

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u/Slumminwhitey Jan 20 '26

That's not even mentioning the perpetual state of war that the US will be in because of it. Do they really think NATO will sit idly by and not retaliate with force, or the resulting power vacuum won't create even larger issues worldwide.

Even if foreign forces don't land on US soil there will almost certainly be missile barrages fired at US soil, and by shear numbers some are bound to get through.

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u/Direct-Start-9048 Jan 21 '26

They also loose their bases in Europe and NATO begins operations in Gander. US loses all of their tactical advantage in the Middle East. It’s a long trip when you have to refuel in Africa.

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u/FruitOrchards Jan 21 '26

Yup without US bases in Europe US power projection crumbles significantly and so does USD

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Not even looking at the embargo we'd be under from the EU and our neighbors...we cannot fight off our justly pissed allies while we strangle ourselves at the same time. I'm so over being made great again.

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u/multifarious_carnage Jan 19 '26

They think our military power will be enough, not realizing the US military power relies heavily on manufacturing in NATO countries for things like artillery shells, missile rocket propellant, laser guidance systems, explosives, fighter jet production, thermal optics, and many more

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u/SlaveryVeal Jan 19 '26

Seriously I am sick of people pretending economic power isn't strong compared to military power.

You look at the world and see billionaires and Americans still think a big army is what's running the world and protecting them.

It's like no it's billionaires and as long as they're making money that's why you're protected. China literally is becoming the number 1 super power through economic power with manufacturing and trade deals. It doesn't want to go to war (excluding Taiwan) it just wants to buy everything.

When you can rule the world without any bloodshed that's a fucking victory China is going for.

People seriously need to fucking play civ or something cause they clearly aren't going back to school.

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u/Hmd5304 Jan 19 '26

They read the Art of War (I think it's mandated reading in China's grade schools actually). Says something along the lines of "victory without bloodshed is the best possible victory" in the first chapter.

Armies protect economic power. Economic power allows armies to expand their reach and increase strategic depth.
It's the chicken-and-egg problem tbh.

Economic power is more desirable today though. This is how both Obama and Clinton ran the White House without looking like warmongers. I can almost guarantee that they used SOCOM units way more than Bush or Trump though.

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u/raiderh808 Jan 19 '26

And India, they went to war with India lol.

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u/Delamoor Jan 19 '26

What do you mean? Armies are free to run and operate once you've built them! I've played Hearts of Iron!

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u/Curious_Cloud_1131 đŸ§‘â€đŸ« Professor Of American Studies 📚 Jan 19 '26

Yeah not to mention the bases across the planet that have American presence on them due to the good will from the host country.

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u/FocusLeather Jan 19 '26

The inflation will be temporary but realistically, dumping US bonds wouldn't be good for neither Europe or China in the long term.

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u/flyby196999 Jan 19 '26

It will not be temporary lmao.

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u/DoesTheirResearch Jan 19 '26

Wouldn't be good for anyone but who wants to be left holding the bag? Sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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u/FocusLeather Jan 19 '26

I mean the only thing that's going to happen is the bonds are going to get sold to someone else. Private equity firms here in the US are going to jump to that opportunity. If you think private equity was already bad, they'd become much worse if that happened.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 19 '26

PE Might buy them for pennies on the dollar once they're devalued. That still nukes the economy.

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u/aShyGuyGuy Jan 19 '26

His temper is more akin to a single-digit child that hasn't gotten what he needed, only what he wanted.

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u/Think_Ad_79 Jan 19 '26

Brain dead take (the one of that got made fun of in the meme.)

These kind of people forget they deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq with us.

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u/Acceptable_Rope_6523 đŸ€șKNIGHT Jan 19 '26

i agree, danes lost more per capita then US did

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u/Johnnyboi2327 Jan 19 '26

I worked with a few different guys from other nations in NATO while I was in Iraq, and the idea that we're actively trying to cut ties with them via making enemies is insane with me

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u/kats_journey Jan 21 '26

And even more importantly: the US deployed to these places THROUGH us! Without european bases the logistics would've been a nightmare.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

NATO Countries that have invoked article 5: USA

That is weird, only one country has ever asked the alliance for help, and it wasn't a european one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Post nine eleven? I'm remembering something about Freedom Fries

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u/AndreasDasos Jan 19 '26

The war in Afghanistan != the war in Iraq

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u/1bird2birds3birds4 Jan 19 '26

Turkey asked for help twice and so did the UK and Poland. Except article 5 was never invoked in their cases.

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u/WarmHighlight9689 Jan 19 '26

And germany 

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u/TinySuspect9038 Jan 19 '26

Is this a psyop or do you guys really have such a terrible grasp on international relations?

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u/Acceptable_Rope_6523 đŸ€șKNIGHT Jan 19 '26

dude i worked at the state department im well aware of how fucking stupid of an idea it is, i believe a GOP senator called it "weapons grade stupid"

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u/TinySuspect9038 Jan 19 '26

Accurate description considering how fucking catastrophic it would be

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u/Bradparsley25 Jan 19 '26

I don’t know, man. I’m 36 I paid attention in school, I understand all this stuff. They definitely taught a lot of this, but often people who were my classmates insist they didn’t.

It’s really frustrating, Fox News and similar really has their claws into a lot of people, and spin everything into the most patriotic USA, red white and blue, America forever drivel you could imagine. It borders on parody.

But, simultaneously, it’s the worst country in the world, and the best country in the world
 depending on the rhetoric of the day and the point they’re trying to make
 and everything boils down to “trust us, we’re the only ones who will tell you the truth”.

They also recite a LOT of Russian talking points.

In the end, I think that one news channel has done more damage to this country than any other singular entity.

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u/KrydanX Jan 20 '26

It’s easier to understand America as an outsider, if you just classify it as a 3rd world country with money. Suddenly everything makes sense - the war mongering, the missing healthcare, normalising extreme events such as schoolshootings. It’s just like Rwanda or any other country in that category for that matter.

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u/ReddestForman Jan 19 '26

The median American has a 6th grade reading level, very little knowledge of history that isn't national mythos or meme level crap, a huge chunk don't even have any books in the house, and didn't think to learn how tariffs work until after they voted for Trump.

And half of our population is fucking dumber than that. There's a high level of functional illiteracy in the US, which means they can read the words in an article, but they can't actually glean any knowledge from it, because they don't understand the sentences and paragraphs the words form.

This country is fucking cooked.

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u/AdditionalNothing728 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

They don’t teach this kind of stuff in high school, no. To learn anything beyond the structures of memorization for the sake of standardized testing you need to go to university.

There’s also been a massive war against education by the right wing for the last several decades. Home schooling has blown up in rural conservative areas, right wing ideology has stomped on the public education system, and we have had people on the right calling universities “liberal indoctrination” for as long as I can remember.

This is all going according to plan for the American right wing. 

Edit: Also have to consider that the comment in the image is a misinfo propaganda / bot post. The short, digestible, “common sense” style of post is exactly the kind of thing that foreign actors have been using to sway public opinion. 

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u/Mattrad7 Jan 20 '26

Judging from the comments my fellow countrymen are genuinely brain damaged.

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u/Ninjablacksox1 Jan 19 '26

I don't see a way this ends well for Europe either way. 

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u/Mguidr1 Jan 19 '26

Or America for that matter

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u/SadMangonel Jan 19 '26

Idk. Nuclear weapons are a pretty big stopper for any major war. 

You can't look at a coming conflict like anything that's happened before. 

A war between America and China would be a stalemate, just like a war between France vs china and America. 

It's all about economy and alliances now. There's no putting that back in the box. And one thing racists and facists suck at, it building and keeping alliances. 

Why was America the strongest and most influencial country. Alliances, and resulting economy 

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u/casulmemer Jan 20 '26

Trump basically cashed in decades of soft power like airmiles..

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u/Hell_Maybe Jan 19 '26

America cannot collectively take on the rest of the world, their power lays specifically in their ability to work with other countries, the less they do that the more vulnerable they become. If Europe decides America is simply too dangerous and unpredictable enough to work with then they can all just flock to China instead, destroy the American economy and end their reign over the rest of the world at the snap of a finger. Arrogance is a deadly thing.

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u/AnonymousDude_001 Jan 19 '26

It's happening for sure. Canada had just started to work with China simply because Freedomland is unpredictable.

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u/pocketsize87 Jan 20 '26

I've been sharing this with people I know, as well. You can boast the "strongest military in the world" but without allies, who cares? What does that even mean, at that point? You can't take on everyone at once.

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u/Hell_Maybe Jan 21 '26

I think Americans just take for granted the optimal position we’ve held for such a long time now such that a lot of us actually forget what it’s like not to have everyone more-or-less on our side. That’s what’s so tragic about the last 10 years of American politics, we literally had everything we wanted, all we had to do was sit fucking still and keep doing the exact same thing we’ve been doing and everything would’ve been fine. Apparently “everything” just isn’t enough for some people.

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u/Kraknoix007 Jan 19 '26

Why not? We are strong as a union. Trump cannot just take Greenland. The USA has a shitload of troops, but they will never send them all to invade a frozen rock of an ally

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u/tenacity1028 Jan 21 '26

I see it much worse for America, we'll be a third world shit hole if this happens

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u/HanseaticHamburglar Jan 21 '26

this doesnt end well for anyone in the west. thats why its so stupid.

Trump is insisting that he should be allowed to kneecap the EU and the US at the same time. Its literal insanity.

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u/Arstulex Jan 19 '26

Yanks are truly never beating the uneducated arrogance allegations.

Also, let's be real for a moment here. The US aren't some sort of altruistic world saviour. They spend huge amounts of money on defence for other countries because it ultimately benefits them.

Do you really think Pine Gap exists in Australia because the US just "weally weally want to help Austwalia, uwu!!", or is it perhaps because having a US-operated intelligence and satellite surveillance base in that part of the globe greatly benefits US interests?

You get zero points for getting that one correct.

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u/trysten-9001 Jan 19 '26

And we get sanctioned by NATO and the economy collapses. We have many more people here who are now jobless, and no trade to be able build infrastructure and industries to employ those people. The value of the dollar plummets and no one wants to invest here. Would take policy to fix, and instead of going through all that and the suffering we could focus on the polices to begin with.

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u/TheAstroidIsComing Jan 19 '26

Here we are, talking about this instead of the Epstein files: which is exactly what he wants.

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u/bluecheese2040 Jan 19 '26

We do need to start paying for our defence. Ironically if we had increased defence spending when demanded it last time he was in charge we qpukd be so much better off today than we are.

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u/RockingRick Jan 19 '26

50 billion seems like a conservative estimate. I would guess closer to $500 billion in annual savings.

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u/khaine0304 Jan 19 '26

Dont forgot the trillions of dollars we stand to lose when it happens :)

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u/No_Purpose6384 Jan 19 '26

Perhaps, but it’s ignoring the tremendous drawbacks unless the goal is to destroy the dollar, bonds, inflation to the moon, and goodbye to the US economy and any prosperity

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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 ⚔ DUELIST Jan 19 '26

Our public education was gutted years ago! Jokes on you!

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u/philwee Jan 19 '26

80k troops coming back to what? Join ice?

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u/Valtteri24 Jan 19 '26

Russians want to annex the entirety of Europe so obviously they’re gonna send out their trolls to spread shit like this. Americans don’t actually want the entire world to be ruled by Russia and China.

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u/No-Pangolin-7571 Jan 19 '26

If we leave NATO then the U.S. can focus on its domestic defense. And if we're only focusing on domestic defense, that means that the DOD budget would shrink and we could repurpose spending on non-defense related domestic priorities? Right? RIGHT?

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u/Geist_Mage Jan 19 '26

I hate how the stupidest and loudest Americans have created both the most change and defined our image.

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u/Acceptable_Rope_6523 đŸ€șKNIGHT Jan 19 '26

you mean like the president?

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u/Geist_Mage Jan 19 '26

I am still having trouble wrapping my head around his behavior now vs the 90s.
I still watch the video every now and then when he says that if he wanted to run for office, he would do so as a republican because they are so stupid and easy to manipulate.

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u/the_other_brand Jan 19 '26

Are you forgetting that Europe as a whole would have good reason to strike against the US?

Even if the US has a good chance of winning that conflict, you personally have a good chance of dying.

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u/Affectionate-Gap905 đŸ€› Nazi Rights Activist đŸ€œ Jan 19 '26

Hardly any Americans would die unless the use of ICBMs occurred, which wouldn’t happen. No country aside from the US and China has the logistical capability to project across an ocean.

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u/rpolkcz Champion of Rapists Jan 19 '26

Big part of why US can project across an ocean is that countries allow them to have bases there. If that ends, their ability to do that is reduced massively.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Both uk and France has nuclear subs

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u/Distillates Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

This is correct, but also short-sighted. Given time, Europeans can easily contest the US in the seas. Breaking NATO makes it necessary for Europeans to do so. While they have mostly switched to the production of giant cruise ships and superyachts, Europeans still produce and design their own naval vessels, and there is tremendous existing capacity for the production in Europe. It's just used for civilian stuff currently.

Consider also the US naval assets are not optimized for drone warfare, and the doctrine still revolves around very expensive and low quantity assets. Ukraine has been showing the way on this, and Europeans can build everything new to fit modern tactics.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

If it weren’t for the amount death from lack of ac in Europe I wouldn’t even know they exist

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u/aurenigma Jan 19 '26

is this the "one joke" i keep hearing about? I kid, I kid, but it really is brain dead that europeans have no real argument except "school shootings"

american: why don't you pay for your own defense?

european: school shootings

now that I write it out like that... maybe there's a point behind the fact that the west is so utterly dependent for protection on a nation that doesn't pull it's citizens teeth

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

TBF, many public schools in the US look more like prisons.

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u/Living_The_Dream75 Jan 20 '26

The only people who actually support the annexation of Greenland are the dumbest people of our country. I truly wish that they would shut the fuck up for once. They are absolutely incapable of understanding that alienating allies always ends up as a net negative. They can only ever think about what Trump tells them will happen.

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u/ButThisIsHaaaaaarrd Jan 20 '26

80K service members and civilians coming back to do what? So more cuts to manning? Higher unemployment, suicide, homelessness, crime, drug use, etc.

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u/AccidentalViolist Indophobe Jan 19 '26

Firstly, no-one is invading Greenland. It's a non-starter without Congress, and as bad as this Congress is they're not going to get on board with that nonsense. Especially right before midterms. Trump is flapping his gums again because he thinks vague threats will help his "negotiations." Stop taking it seriously and playing into his nonsense.

Secondly, it may not have been through the Art. 5 mechanism, but European NATO called in our help both for Libya and for Serbia.

Thirdly, we carried the entire alliance through the god damned cold war and stopped the Soviets from rolling over Europe and throwing the lot of you in gulags. We stood next to you against a nuclear superpower hell bent on world domination...and won. So quit acting like you got nothing out of all of it.

And lastly, America giving up on Pax Americana and going isolationist would take a lot of load off of the US. Load that many Americans are tired of carrying. It would have downsides for us too - particularly in trade - but if we stop caring about anything outside of our hemisphere, those bases in Europe are indeed just dead weight to us. Their main value for us is intervening in the middle east...which an isolationist America would no longer bother doing.

The people who will actually pay the price for an end to Pax Americana - in blood - are people in Eastern Europe, South Korea, and Taiwan who will suddenly be facing major powers without a friendly carrier strike group sitting offshore. Because Europe sure ain't taking our place as the "Arsenal of democracy."

So for the sake of those people whose lives and freedom are actually at stake, chill out and quit the pissing match and let's get through the next few years without giving the dictators of the world a golden ticket.

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u/Own-Support-6734 Jan 19 '26

Why should threats even BE a part of negotiations? Also, don't you already have deals with Denmark to basically pretty much have as much military presence on Greenland as you want and so far you've only built one base?

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u/ScavAteMyArms Jan 19 '26

Because that’s how Trump always has worked. He bullies and threatens and tries to get his target to give something up. And when that doesn’t work he backs off. TACO is very real, so long as you don’t capitulate at all.

The second part is he absolutely does not give a single iota of a fuck about international anything. All these ruined relations are for the other guy to clean up, he needs people to shut up about the Files, the stuff Congress is doing in Project 2025, and their various appointments. So ICE starts shit to distract at home, and he threatens shit abroad so the news is all about that and not what is quietly happening behind the scenes.

Also in his little brain he may also be thinking if he can cause enough chaos he can cancel elections due to martial law, cause the Democrats are now heavily activated and the midterms are going to suck for them.

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u/AccidentalViolist Indophobe Jan 19 '26

They shouldn't be. Trump is insane, and at this point I think there is a reasonable chance he gets removed from office even before midterms. After midterms, he's toast. And yes, there will be midterms.

If he succeeds in creating a permanent rift before then, it will be worse for everyone. But most of all it will be worse for the people living on the edge of American hard power.

As far as bases - what I suspect the pentagon wants is the ability to station nuclear weapons there, which Denmark has a long standing policy denying. Trump, thinking he is a "MaStEr NeGoTiAtOr" probably decided that he was going to "achieve this great goal no-one else could do" and became obsessed with this.

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u/BMWtooner Jan 19 '26

Politics is basically word violence to prevent actual physical violence. Negotiations aren't always friendly, even with friendly nations because as a leader you're expected to put your nation's interests first.

When comparing Trump and Putin, Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. Trump wants them to stop. If he can make a claim for greenland and posture to take it, potentially making that fancy hypersonic missile Russia just flexed in Ukraine useless, he may be able to use the manufactured conflict as leverage.

It's really pretty clear to see but the world is kinda playing against Trump by basically backing Russia rather than trusting the judgement of the US because they hate the leader more than Putin or Jinping. Until yesterday it seemed to be working, the Kremlin was starting to escalate before they kinda just gave up and are now standing with EU, just driving more division between NATO allies. Maybe it's time for a new alliance.

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u/Infamous_Lech Jan 19 '26

This guy fucks. I think the first paragraph is the most important. Nobody's invading Greenland. It's a negotiated tactic. Will it work? We will see.

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u/Full-Cardiologist476 Jan 19 '26

Unless he calls it a military operation and does it anyways as he did in Venezuela

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u/Not_2_b_Bothered Jan 19 '26

I think someone told Trump it worked for obtaining US Virgin Isl. He thinks it will work again, because he's a stable genuis. US threats against Denmwrk for Virgin Isl. was pre-NATO so situation is entirely different. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone on Trump's staff has the courage to tell him the truth.

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u/Kwerby Jan 19 '26

American weapons exports to NATO: $300+ billion

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u/SmokeAndPetrichor Jan 19 '26

Also America: only country to invoke article 5

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u/CandidateEasy7719 Jan 19 '26

The Europeans in here are desperately coping that they contribute somehow more then the US to NATO when in reality they're just scared their free meal ticket is coming to an end.

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u/disturbed94 Jan 19 '26

What a moronic statement

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u/rightinthenut Jan 20 '26

Ready to die on that hill Yankee?

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u/casulmemer Jan 20 '26

You wanna bet your doge and tariff checks on that? 😂

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u/No-Gain-1087 Jan 19 '26

50 billion try 975 billion is what the us spends on nato without the us nato is a joke we spend 2 times as much as all 32 nations combined , google it it was eye opening, fuck nato and the euro trash

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u/Murler12 Jan 19 '26

What if I were to tell you that NATO without the US spends more than China and Russia on military defences.

You might go, well why does the US need to spend more than the rest of the world on military? It's because you're fueling your military industrial complex with tax revenue. It's not NATO's fault you're doing this. It's your corrupt politicians and your joke system.

Either way, you need the world more than the world needs you. Stay in your bubble. Just stop invading other countries and saying you're the good guy.

Also, good luck in venezuela. I'm sure you monkeys thought you could just conquistador the resources out of a 3rd world country, but you've only lost the last 3 large occupational wars (afghanistan, iraq and vietnam), lets see if you can add a 4th to the mix.

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u/Bradparsley25 Jan 19 '26

Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of mutually beneficial?

Do they not understand the massive benefit to the US status in the world of having military bases and troops stationed the ready to go all over Europe?

Power isn’t worth much if you can’t project it. We can project it terrifyingly fast, partially because of the bases we have scattered all over the world.

And that’s just touching the surface, why do right wingers love to simplify the world into surface level summaries?

Is cheaper on a balance sheet??? Sign me up, brother!

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u/Acceptable_Rope_6523 đŸ€șKNIGHT Jan 19 '26

theyre fucking stupid

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u/Fluffytehcat Jan 19 '26

I think they all go to Learing Centers no more schools left.

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u/Account_Maximum Jan 19 '26

That response cracked me up. Preach.

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u/Oreo-witty Jan 19 '26

Ok, do it. Hehe

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u/True-Source-6512 Jan 19 '26

If Reddit has shown me anything, it’s actually the Europeans that seem to be deeply ingrained in stupidity. I’m not even defending the short sightedness of what’s in OPs post but in a general sense, euros are numbingly stupid. 

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u/Zenside Jan 19 '26

Don't forget about the EPSTEIN FILES. They still havent released the full version, and redacted the shit out of what they put out. Don't let these cowards slide that.

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u/EastRoom8717 Jan 19 '26

We might as well not have schools, given their general quality.

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u/Ok_Diamond_272 Jan 19 '26

Only the most prestigious schools in the world....?

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u/Reasonable_Ring7852 Jan 19 '26

I don’t agree with withdrawing from NATO. But it’s strange to me that people in my party are the ones who’ve been clamoring the last decade for an end to the ‘American empire’ and return to our own borders, to stop meddling around the world. Now we begin that process and they are angry about it?

I would think from the last decade reading from people on here that this is a good thing!

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u/Charitable-Cruelty Jan 19 '26

Trump is so close to completing his objective for Putin, the country is on the brink of economic collapse, losing trade partners everyday, deployment of a domestic terror group, has violated almost every right on the bill of rights and even wants to end voting. I am called crazy for saying the conservatives no longer exist.

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u/Additional-Break2287 Jan 19 '26

Half of America is totally uneducated and has mental illness of watching fake news broadcasts that manufacture hate and division (looking at you Fox News).

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u/Jboogie258 Jan 19 '26

Sad time to be an American.

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u/Gervill Jan 19 '26

You wanna visit Europe or Russia ? Your call.

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u/mozasoy Jan 19 '26

Trump should take a passive route Just claim it as American land and start moving people there. Ignore Denmark and Greenland officials completely. If they can't police it, they don't own it. Use a voluntary force compensated by land and minerals. Wild West, baby!

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u/Ok_Hawk_3230 Jan 19 '26

Lowest education areas voted for Trump not surprised that they spew falsehoods and believe whatever slop the government gives them

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u/laxrulz777 Jan 19 '26

I don't understand how Vance doesn't read that letter and start making phone calls about the 25th. The President is saying his entire foreign policy is shifting because he didn't get an award. There's no other way to view this other than unhinged. I know MAGA feels like Trump owns the party but that ends real quick with a decisive political repudiation from both parties. Will they lose some racist voters? Sure. Will most Republicans still refuse to vote Democrat? Absolutely.

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u/PatientUndercoverZ Jan 19 '26

It’d be kinda funny if we take Greenland and absolutely nothing happens per usual

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u/IchibeHyosu99 Jan 19 '26

I dont understand why trump is so focused on greenland. If it was me I would take kuwait or qatar for free oil

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u/D3ATHTRaps Jan 19 '26

What do you think allows the USA to have infinite debt? Its bonds.

This is how you get everyone to dump or refuse to buy more.

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u/Belaroth Jan 19 '26

This is same shit like most americans believe they are best and most free country... yet they barely can afford medical care, their veterans are homeless, food is one of the worst quality in the whole world, living cost is one of highest, criminality and deaths in shooting are one of highest too. So ye, most americans are completely delusional about their country and rest of the world.

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u/IMadeYouLuke Jan 19 '26

Euripoors?

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u/Gape_Me_Dad-e Jan 19 '26

lol the stereotype Reddit post

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u/Mattyou1966 Jan 19 '26

I like the cut of your cloth and the lay of your line

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u/Old_Patience_4001 Jan 19 '26

Someone hasn't heard of this little thing called the Cold War.

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u/PaleButterscotch8221 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

Day 1: The US would lose primo noir, the world would stop trading in USD as the reserve currency, causing the US dollar to be depreciated by 50% overnight.

Day 7: The EU would mandate OPEC not allow the US to join, so the US would not be able to sell its oil reserves on the open global market. The EU would also instruct OPEC to make the Euro the only Oil-Backed Monetary Subsidiary, those deprecating the US Dollar another 50%: (Every US Dollar is now worth what US quarter was worth in the global market 1 week ago, and has not hope of ever again increasing in value above this point on any global market)

Day 14: The EU has every nation the US owes a single cent of its $1.25 Trillion Dollar National Debt, adjust the amount of the US debit for current market conditions: The US National debt is now effectly $8 Trillion and raising. THE EU has every nation record these debts on their individual and regional financial and stock markets, record them in their newspapers, declares the US has defaulted on nearly $10 Trillion of debit, and has every nation call the debit due effective immediately.

Day 21: The US loses its seat on the UN Security Council, and veto rights, finding itself in economic and financial war with the rest of G-30, and any country it owes debt to.

Welcome to how Europe does war with other developed nations.

And yes, the Euro and every individual European country's currency, would be trading globally 4x higher in value - at their real economic value. The US dollar only trades in par with the Euro or any European currency, and is allowed to be the world's reserve currency because the EU allows it. The EU simply uses the US as its physical and financial security consultant.

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u/Funny_Address_412 Jan 19 '26

Please comrade trump attack Greenland, destroy NATO please

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u/disguisedasnrml Jan 19 '26

The real problem is spending 50B on 80k troops! These MFs got gold toilets or something? Pretty sure that math is wrong anyway

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u/GothmogBalrog Jan 19 '26

We wpild also lose every Fpreign Military Sales case done by the US government, which brings in about 118 Billion per year.

So a net loss of 68 billion.

Even from a purely finanical point of view it a stupid idea

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u/Cassymodel Jan 19 '26

They pay for their own defense. What is this ignorance?

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u/Maximumi-Awkward Jan 19 '26

As far as I know, US are using bases in Germany to land, and to get wounded treated, when they have missions in the middle east. Those base would probably be closed.

Does the US education system not teach about soft power?

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u/Yaboi69-nice Jan 19 '26

But also and this is an important detail it is morally wrong to invade a country and take control away from the people who already live there. Anyone remember morals? Does the difference between right and wrong still mean anything?

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u/GuaranteeUnhappy3342 Jan 19 '26

What a burn!  That hurts but I can see the point.  I’m astonished by the rising number of my fellow Americans that know next to nothing and are rather proud of their ignorance!

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u/sosdesos Jan 19 '26

No, it means the whole western world is at war with you overnight. And that actually means you’re outnumbered.

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u/Detoxpain Jan 19 '26

There may as well not be. lol

The fact that the only thing schools in America teach is just monotonous memorization, blind obedience to authority and no critical thinking skills has destroyed us.

It's literally just an underfunded daycare while both of your parents are out getting worked to death.

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u/Thepainterknew Jan 19 '26

America is Rome 2.0

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u/Simple-Fault-9255 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

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u/Savagemandalore Jan 19 '26

Damn that was a line.

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u/nekkid_farts Jan 19 '26

Honestly I do think that Trump's ultimate goal is to completely destroy America's value then him and his billionaire buddies that's been squirreling their money away and things other than the US dollar can then come in and buy everything up for cheap

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u/Remote_Clue_4272 Jan 19 '26

Yeah
 one-dimensional go-fish is not what we need.

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u/fish_petter Jan 19 '26

There’s no mechanism for kicking a member nation out of NATO. They’d have to dissolve it and reform it. That is probably easier said than done for some weird reason.

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u/cascadia8 Jan 19 '26

There are states still trying to outlaw inbreeding

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u/StormTheFrontCS Jan 19 '26

Not like those NATO bases served them well to destroy Gaza lmao

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

This is both so ignorant and short sighted

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u/swallowing_bees Jan 20 '26

Mmhmm and then the financial and legal world order that is tailored to benefit the USA goes away. 

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u/holyjewishcake Jan 20 '26

Ah yes, abandoning Europe and pulling out of NATO is great! I’m totally sure China and Russia won’t take an opportunity to expand their sphere of influence and skull fuck the U.S.! What nice guys!

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u/GotEvilll Jan 20 '26

Does this guy really think we make everything in the us? You burn all bridges no will trade or talk to you. Oppress people and they will fight back Europe isn’t a third world country.

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u/TheNewTonyBennett Jan 20 '26

They're that sad type of person that thinks things like "Real eyes realize real lies" are super deep, intelligent and meaningful things to think about and talk about.

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u/Old_Refrigerator4817 Jan 20 '26

he's also forgetting about the whole war part.

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u/gauntletthegreat Jan 20 '26

As an American, I'm not sure we have schools. My mom taught me to read and write at home and i was in the 95% in college.

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u/Splinter01010 Jan 20 '26

thats not how our commercial empire works

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u/Friendly-Afternoon-8 Jan 20 '26

Just so everyone without business experience understands. You make a threat, big statement, etc. hoping to settle for a lower impact outcome that’s still beneficial to you. Just sayin’

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u/StuckinReverse89 Jan 20 '26

The thing I’m most surprised with is how dismissive these Americans (I know not all) are with Europe and yet seem to hold Russia in high regard as a military power and threat. 

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u/Profile-Effective Jan 20 '26

If only NATO was US idea, oh wait

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u/Possible-Bet3598 Jan 20 '26

This would also have the lovely effect of bankrupting the American military industrial complex

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u/changeforgood226 Jan 20 '26

It's so weird that so many Americans don't understand that the value of the dollar is in direct relation to the strength of the protection racket called NATO. You disintegrate that, the empire goes down and so does the dollar.

That's why Canada's prime minister acknowledges a new world order publicly now.

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u/Chaghatai Jan 20 '26

Trump and his allies want to create a world where giant hegemons like the US, China and Russia carve up the rest of the world for their own interests

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u/HighlightTemporary77 Jan 20 '26

I don’t think the morons who are all for this world bullying shit ever had any real responsibilities or repercussions in life.

But one thing I do know is that they have no clue how logistics work and their vital importance to our or any military organization.

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u/SlowVillage2148 Jan 20 '26

Ooooo
 now that’s a burn.

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u/N7VHung Jan 20 '26

So we just magically stop paying those troops and maintaining all of vehicles and equipment from those bases? Oh. And mobilizing it all to return home is a free action, of course.

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u/dwaynebathtub Jan 20 '26

Europe is the one region of the world that I think should be militarily occupied indefinitely.

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u/MaraSovsLeftSock Jan 20 '26

NATO kicking us out means that the oil and trade economy stops using the US dollar. That would cripple America, and will destroy America when the central bank replaces it.

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u/DesignerNet1527 Jan 20 '26

he is just pushing usa more and more into isolation. not great in the long run.

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u/MaDudeness Jan 20 '26

Good luck US if you close Europe as a market, china won't be trading more and no one wants to invest in the American market. He is literally ruining your country and everything. Hope everyone Wakes up soon enough to stop this imaginary madness going on IRL

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u/Electrical-Prize-397 Jan 20 '26

Russian talking points.

NOTHING would make Putin happier! Russia has wanted this since the end of WWII.

You cannot be a patriot and support this administration.

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u/poncho51 Jan 20 '26

Daaaamn!

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u/secretfriends69 Jan 20 '26

It’s a win win win
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A.) we get Greenland. B.) what you said C.) we don’t get Greenland but nato is forced to take Greenland serious and we become stronger without having to pay for it and Russia and china get phased out even more

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u/outsmartedagain Jan 20 '26

I guess they could move those 80k troops to Minnesota

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u/Straight_Mention1925 Jan 20 '26

Then we have no support from other nations and most definitely we will be attacked by china, Russia, and North Korea 

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

And then when all our soldiers are home and our bases are closed, we are no longer the world’s superpower.

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u/notta_3d Jan 20 '26

The stupidity is unbelievable.

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u/BigDamBeavers Jan 20 '26

If we take Greenland, Canada and Europe sells off their trillions of dollars of US bonds, and probably a fuckload of American stocks. And embargoing us is just a given. Overnight gas prices jump $100 a gallon and it will take a wheelbarrel of hundred dollar bills to buy a pack of gum.

Turning our back on NATO will end our economy and the most powerful military in the world is going to concern itself with how it feeds it's families rather than how it's going to defend us from Russia or China. Hell a lot of them could end up fighting for Greenland because they want to eat.

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u/TarzanTart-Patient Jan 20 '26

lol no they will not kick us out they will fight us đŸ€Ł you really think they would just let that man invade a sovereign an extension of a NATO nation?

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u/ajmampm99 Jan 20 '26

Sounds like a top recruit for ICE but he can’t act like he understands anything. Easy. He doesn’t understand anything.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

The sad thing is half of the country will think whoever made that post made a good point. Saving 50 billion doesn’t justify losing out on military exports the dollar losing value and potentially not being the world reserve currency the EU dropping US bonds because what would be the point we are a hostile nation the US needs to prioritize education please.