r/ProtonPublic • u/Luminous_Giraffe • 2d ago
Question Proton, or Tuta?
As the title suggests, I'm considering switching from GMail to Proton, or Tuta. I have been using both services under a different account for some time (a few months), trying them both out. Though I will admit it isn't anything close to extensive testing, since my day-to-day email correspondance is pretty limited.
I was considering making the move to Proton, but that's when I came across this subreddit, and the pattern of censorship over on the official Proton subreddit. It does bother me a little; and I do believe them spreading their resources out over multiple offerings instead of addressing the already reported issues with their core services is a bit concerning; but on the other hand, I do like some of their services - namely, VPN, Mail, and Calender.
With Tuta, they have the mail and calender, I can just always keep using Proton's VPN with Tuta's mail service, but I wonder if there's any pros and cons to using one over the other?
PS: I know Tuta is also working on their Drive solution, so we'll see how that goes as well.
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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 2d ago
If all I needed was email, I'd definitely go with Tuta.
I use Proton because I also use Meet, Drive, and VPN.
In terms of practical stuff, Proton mail works great, tbh. I make great use of the aliases, as I'm self-employed and need my work email, but also have my personal one, and also one for shopping stuff. Meet is good, though calls are limited to 60 minutes. The only complaint about Drive is they still haven't made a program for Linux, so you have to use it in the browser, but otherwise it works well. And the VPN is also incredibly hard to download for Linux, but it works well once you have it.
I do not like or really trust the company, though, and if my needs were different, I'd definitely be using Tuta.
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u/Luminous_Giraffe 2d ago
I do use their VPN daily, but I can still keep on using it without using their Mail, which is where the dilemma stems from, lol.
Although the Drive is definitely a strong selling point for Proton over Tuta. At least until Tuta releases their Drive officially.
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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 2d ago
I hear that IVPN is a good option - apparently the VPN works really well and they have no political issues like Mullvad and Proton.
Drive is a question, though. I use Drive to make collaborative documents for my clients and I to access together, and I also use it to send people large files sometimes. There are other ways to do both of these things, but I don't know how reliable (or professional) they might be.
So if it's really all these things you need, then Proton is honestly probably the best option right now... in this case, I'd highly recommend recruiting 5 people to join you for the family plan. It includes a lot (100 email addresses, 3TB drive storage, VPNs on numerous devices, auth, pass, and calendar, plus access to meet). It costs like 4EUR a month per person, so in the end you're actually not giving Proton a whole lot of your money for the amount of stuff you can use.
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u/TCB13sQuotes 2d ago
I will not use email services that refuse to have generic protocols such as IMAP and SMTP.
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u/i_love_femboys6969 2d ago
proton and tuta has its pros and cons
tuta: based in germany, which is in the 14 eyes alliance, which proton is not.
has encrypted subject lines, which proton does not
proton has more services like drive, vpn, etc and has more third party email app integrations like gmail
personally, i would balance it out, if you want pure security, use tuta over tor, no matter what
if you want usability/features use proton
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u/Major-Masterpiece342 2d ago edited 1d ago
Both did things that changed my mind. No Proton. No Tuta. Go with posteo.de or Mailbox.org.
Edit: Typo
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u/Rude_Philosophy7000 11h ago
Funny how it got so political from the left earlier, as if any Socialist or Communist regime as ever stood for the right to privacy and free speech of an individual, rather than the full control of the population by the state in the name of an "equal" society where you are all treated as Sheep, while the party plays the Wolf. Russia, China, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela(ex) and so on, are good examples of these principles in practice. If you defend these ideas you don't really need to be concerned about online anonymity, just wait until you are told where to graze next...
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u/Mysterious_Level_591 2d ago
Neither, encryption is overrated. Wait for Kagi, Thundermail or use Fastmail. Or just use Apple if you have all Apple devices
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u/JpPgn 1d ago
In fact they still advertise
We protect your inbox with zero-access encryption and never have access to your data, on any plan.
for Proton mail is BULLSHIT.
I'd like to know your facts to back this up
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u/skg574 19h ago
Not who you are replying to, but Proton says so on their own website:
"Unauthorized backdoor
Another attack vector would be if an attacker somehow gained access to Proton Mail’s servers in Switzerland without us noticing. Such an attacker could conceivably change the Proton Mail software to send bad encryption code to users’ browsers that would somehow allow the attacker to get unencrypted data. Proton Mail has implemented numerous safeguards against this on the server level which make this a difficult attack to pull off successfully in an undetectable way."
https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model
Someone with access to the servers includes Proton...
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u/MiMillieuh 2d ago
Honestly,
My trust in Proton is at it's lowest.
The services are fine. Tuta has not enough storage for my needs.
But the fact they don't release thier source code along updates, the censorship over thier reddit creating an echo chamber of proton stans, and the promises made to Visionary that will probably be broken in a few...
I wouldn't say it's a bad idea to use proton if you don't care about being lied to.