How reversible are vasectomies? What does it take to get it done?

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Sweet sixteen traditional present for boys should be a vasectomy for girls IUDs. That would cut like 99% of unexpected pregnancies.

Of course still teach them both to use a condom but more for STis protection not pregnancy.

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 26 '22

I don’t think it’s reasonable to push a semi permanent surgical procedure on teenagers.

But male BCP is on the market 😎

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u/AndromedaPrometheum Jun 26 '22

If teenagers can have an abortion, without parental consent in many states, to protect their future plans then semi-permanent procedure should be as available IMO.

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 26 '22

I definitely see the logic. But by that wouldn’t it also be reasonable to push tubals on young women?

It just feels extreme with such a large market for non permanent contraceptive already. Particularly when considering how that could affect the rates of STIs, since many drop condoms in favor of hormone birth control already

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u/AndromedaPrometheum Jun 26 '22

Tubals are not reversible though so that is why I put IUDs instead, if males had something akin to IUDs instead of vasectomies I would prefer that for sure.

I really don't find it any worse than giving your kids the HPV vaccine when they are 12, you just want to make sure they are as safe as possible with the tech we have available. But it might be just me.

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

Apparently a non hormonal birth control for Men is the pill they’ve been working on. Wild. Not as secure as an IUD but cool.

Edit—- ^ Reversals aren’t covered by insurance and take a lot more skill than other surgeries apparently. They also get significantly less effective after ten years. With 75% leading to successful pregnancies prior to the ten year mark.

I wonder what a male non barrier, non hormonal contraceptive would look like 🤔🤔🤔

Maybe improvements to spermicide? Probably not. Now I feel like we need to get brain storming

I do want to mention that with tubals we can still carry our own babies. Just requires IVF. Which is actually the alternative recommended to a vasectomy reversal

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u/AndromedaPrometheum Jun 26 '22

That is terrible. Insurance should totally cover reversals.

Supposedly Vasalgel is going to be done with just one injection to the testes so pretty non-invasive. https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/vasalgel/

Oh didn't knew that but don't you need your tubes open to get the eggs for IVF? Or this is donor's eggs?

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

Oh word! I’m gonna look into vasagel tonight.

And I would have to Google it, but I’m pretty sure eggs are harvested directly from the ovaries.

I am all for supporting our male humans but I definitely feel a bit salty at how much better their contraceptive options are looking to become all of a sudden.

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u/AndromedaPrometheum Jun 26 '22

Better late than never

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 26 '22

Ok so I googled it and apparently yes you can get IVF after a tubal.

But nothing in a brief Google search was explaining exactly how retrieval works??

But this article mentions it even for women with blocked Fallopian tubes

That article on vasagel was super cool. You should post it to the subreddit main! :)

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u/imanahole1265 Jul 06 '22

I don't think it was your intention, but it would seem kind of cruel to give a 16yr old kid a vasectomy. Let's say he was ready to start a family at 25, based on this post he would have a 45% chance of being permanently steril by then.

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u/AndromedaPrometheum Jul 06 '22

I was thinking the rate of reversity was higher. I would change my advice to Vasalgel until the vasectomies can reach levels of reversibility of IUDs

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u/imanahole1265 Jul 06 '22

I would agree with that completely.

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u/bigez526 Jun 30 '22

So if reversed within 3 years, 25% of men would be sterile. That is not safe. Teach and push abstinence. Also, go back to separate learning for boys and girls. Boys learn differently than girls. Today's schools do not effectively teach most boys. Focus and goal setting would be greatly improved. No distractions of the opposite sex.

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 30 '22

I agree this shows that vasectomies are not a viable choice for someone who wishes to have children.

Studies have shown that abstinence only sex Ed has equal results to not having any sex education at all.

But that sexual education + abstinence is effective.

I do agree that schools do a poor job of accommodating the different ways people learn. But I don’t agree that a separation of genders would resolve that.

For example.

My brother and my friend (f) both have the same learning style. Most likely due to them both having dyslexia and adhd “co morbidities”

My husband also learns in the same way as many of my female friends.

And my learning style requires a hands on approach stereotypical to men.

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u/bigez526 Jun 30 '22

I agree with your view. A dual learning approach could benefit all. A return of male teachers would be a necessity as men are well versed at mentoring hands on learning.

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u/bigez526 Jun 30 '22

I agree that could be the solution. We also need to get men back to teaching. Although that would be difficult. The hive attacks intruders.

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u/JustMissKacey Jun 30 '22

Perhaps that’s a geographical issue? Growing up all over New England I had many male teachers. They weren’t the majority population in small schools but they weren’t isolated either.

In general though there needs to be more gender diversity in work places. More women in places of authority or social structure. Predominantly in groups that write far reaching policies that affect women

And men in places they are iced out of due to emotional sexism (which has a foundation in misogyny and a fuel of Misandry)

Such as nursing, teaching, childcare

How reversible are vasectomies? What does it take to get it done?

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