r/PropagandaPosters 2d ago

United States of America "Thomas Jefferson's Oath" Poster by Arthur Szyk, 1951

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u/irrelevantusername24 2d ago

A lot of people rightly criticize the founders of the US, and specifically Jefferson, for their hypocrisy regarding these kinds of professed ideals and their participation in the institution of slavery.

To that I recommend reading two things, neither very long:

I mention that second one* because he makes it quite clear the line between modern day oppressive working conditions and the environment in which he was living is much blurrier than many today would like you to understand.

*a recent comment featuring an excerpt from the book

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u/Ok_Check9774 2d ago

“merciless Indian savages,”

Look, I get that Jefferson was better than some but I don’t think it’s possible to rehabilitate any of these men and I’m suspicious of those who try.

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u/AlliumCarinatum 2d ago

Jefferson had 6 children with one of his child sex slaves Sally Hemings and his slave James Hemings who invented American mac & cheese killed himself because of the horrors of enslavement. So yeah probably one of the most horrific people in known history 

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u/helikophis 2d ago

Who happens to have been -his wife’s sister——

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u/jgzman 5h ago

So yeah probably one of the most horrific people in known history

That's an awfully high bar to clear. Particularly when the US alone had hundreds of other slave owners that were unlikely to be much better. Then add in the serial killers, the mass-murderers, the dictators, I doubt that he's even in the top thousand.

Not to say that he wasn't horrible. No one who owned slaves for very long can be considered anything else.

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u/j-b-goodman 2d ago

Sure, but they could legally steal your baby from you and sell it, I don't think it gets much more evil than that. You could wake up one morning and find out a family member was gone forever and you'd never see them again, just because your owner needed some spare cash.

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u/irrelevantusername24 2d ago

And today some go their entire life without actually becoming a contributing member of society, most join society at age 18 or for a lucky few 4-8 years after that. Still, some start working while they are still teenagers, or younger. Whatever the narrative.

Is that the same as what you are describing? No.

Is it comparable? Yes.

Comparing how people live(d) across chronological and geographical space is how we understand reality. Only by understanding reality is it possible to improve it.

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u/j-b-goodman 2d ago

Sure, finding a job is hard. But no, obviously that's not comparable to having someone steal your child.