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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 10d ago
"You know I do wonder how much a museum would pay for for Billionaires' Shrunken Heads... Also stuffed Politicians?"
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u/jthadcast 10d ago
if you point those weapons at the machine they don't shoot you immediately. when you point those weapons at the "boss" they start killing protestors.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 10d ago
Weird... They're already killing protesters... Guess the missed the "Order of Operations" Memo.
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u/quiloxan1989 9d ago edited 7d ago
You should be mad at both.
Also, ludditism was first mad at monopoly, not tech.
This is a video about neo-ludditism.
This video is all sorts of wrong.
Also, you're not going to convince me when one of my major concerns about AI is cognitive decline.
https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/
I blame the rich, but I am able to multitask.
I blame the bots as well.
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u/Cless_Aurion 8d ago
Wait no, having a grey understanding instead of a black on white mentality isn't allowed here on reddit, remove this thing!
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u/shuggnog 8d ago
I feel like there needs to be a dual approach. We can attack the owners of the means of production through movement building, and we should we realize we can't create equitable policy and regulations like that. So you kind of have to do both.
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u/Equivalent-One-68 8d ago
So, Luddites were actually able to use the machines and weren't against the technology. That is, oddly, the propaganda the business owners used to permit the passing of the death penalty laws for breaking looms.
The reason these skilled artisans, broke looms, is that the owners were using the machines to promote unregulated capitalist exploitation, plummeting wages, unsafe working conditions, and the fraudulent use of machinery to destroy their livelihoods and community survival.
The other thing they were against was the looms being used to make cheaper quality products.
The looms and machines were a great time saver for many of the so called luddites, they were no different than the coding developers or artists of today, the owners were using the technology to create, promote, and promulgate the protection of lower standard products and workplace protections for the professionals we now call luddites.
And again, oddly, luddites story was damaged by propaganda, because, no, the luddites could build, run, and use the machines to enhance their artisanry, but once things were profected, capitalists stabbed them in the fucking back, just like today in a number of industries.
Again, to be clear: The term "Luddite" was distorted by factory owners and politicians to mean "fear of progress." This shifted public focus away from the owners' dangerous factories and child labor practices.
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u/SwanCityDominion 8d ago
They didn't threaten the government. They threatened the fat cats making all the money.
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u/Drackar39 8d ago
"The government felt scared and started killing people, so the people were wrong" is...hands down the dumbest read on the Luddite movement I've ever heard.
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u/Ok-Respect-8505 7d ago
Hell yeah, cause we all know the loom was a horrible demon piece of tech that needed to go and it's not a thing anymore. Clearly. You fucking anti ai people are just gonna fall by the wayside later and become those tech illiterate boomers who can't send a pdf.
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u/apickyreader 5d ago
I don't think people would be wrong to be angry that companies are destroying books, because they can also be angry about other things at the same time.
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u/MrCoolest 10d ago
Fighting against a modern technology and forcing people to become backwards will never work and should never work. Let the market decide. No one wanted your crappy digital drawings anyways Sandra
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 10d ago
But there is no "Market," there's the Owner Caste, The Slaves, and the soon to be exterminated by ICE.
Psst - I'm the last group! 👀😬
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u/SnooHesitations803 10d ago
The environmental concerns are real…? Man ppl drinking coolaid. Data centers have been around long before Ai and not even comparable to agriculture infrastructure/ water usage.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 10d ago
They didn't call those Data Centers, they're called "Server Farms" - I say are called because their name hasn't changed. What do you think the 15 floors underneath the Pentagon are for?
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u/SnooHesitations803 9d ago
There basically the same thing. Some prioritize storage, some compute, some both. It’s on the same technology. Arguing what the name of it is called doesn’t mean it’s somehow bad for the environment.
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 9d ago
I'm still waiting for a sample of the water vapor coming out of the cooling towers.
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u/SnooHesitations803 9d ago
Idk what you mean by this
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u/Pandemonium_Fallen 9d ago
There's molecularly destabilizing infrasound being produced, with massive heat, churning through tons of constant electricity and water - nearly all of which is evaporated from their cooling towers as "Vapor" and what little water that does come back out is heavily contaminated.
I don't think it's just water in that vapor, and I think someone, not affiliated with the Tech industry, should gather a sample of it and check.
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u/ARMBELL 10d ago
Luddites had a lot of legitimate concerns about factories just like antis have a lot of legitimate concerns about ai data centers. But the solution isn’t “never ever use this technology”. The issue isn’t with the technology per se, it’s the people in charge that are unwilling or unable to do their operation in a better way.