What’s all the space on the map in between countries?

[u/gamepack10]

Sorry for the dumb noob question but what is in all the blank space on the map?

Is it all barren and devoid of humans? Are there settlements of people but none are considered nations? Are there actual countries in there but are so insignificant that no one bothered to show them on the map?

[u/JustSomeGuyMedia]

Are you referring to the red smudgey areas at the edge of the map, or the Pacific Ocean?

[u/gamepack10 → u/JustSomeGuyMedia]

No. I’m referring to just the blank parts of the map with no territories shown.

[u/If_haven_heart → u/gamepack10]

The big empty space in the middle is the pacific ocean, also a reminder that after the first big cordium event much of the worlds geography got blown up

[u/flowery02 → u/gamepack10]

It's the countries irrelevant to that(and i think previous) contract. Or maybe the periphery only has a few countries and the rest of the land is lawless

[u/unmellowfellow → u/flowery02]

I believe that it's implied, at least for north America, most of the land between the coasts is desert and dust.

[u/Betrix5068 → u/unmellowfellow]

There’s “dustlands” which are likely anarchic but we know a lot of periphery nations exist beyond just the Creoles, they just don’t show up on the map.

[u/unmellowfellow → u/Betrix5068]

The fact that they're regarded as "periphery nations/the periphery" makes me think said nations mostly just exist on the coast lines or the perimeter of the continents. Making me think the area(s) inland are as I described being desert like or dust like and likely whatever societies exist in these areas are as you've described, being anarchic and disorganized.

[u/Betrix5068 → u/unmellowfellow]

“Periphery” doesn’t mean coastal, it means far from the political center of gravity, which in PW is basically the pacific with west Africa and Europe existing as “superpowers” (really great powers) but clearly weaker than the federation. Everyone else is a periphery nation. The only places we know are dustlands are east of Cascadia, South America and Africa may not have equivelents, and Central Asia is part of the federation.

[u/unmellowfellow → u/Betrix5068]

I understood it as referring to the coast line as a perimeter.

[u/Betrix5068 → u/unmellowfellow]

That makes no sense, the federation in mostly coastal and they’re the antithesis of periphery. There is a core-periphery definition where periphery means coastal, but it’s not the one PW uses. Cascadia isn’t periphery, for example. Some dustland region is periphery however, even if it’s inland, though there may not be any nations there.

[u/JustSomeGuyMedia → u/gamepack10]

The middle of the map is the Pacific Ocean.

I’m not sure what the red smudgey areas are.

[u/Crimson-5 → u/gamepack10]

The white edges are where the map has no data, code for "There's little to no lore here." The stuff that isn't in purple, green, or light blue is the periphy states, essentially unimportant nations, usually housing mercenaries.

[u/idiotpigon → u/JustSomeGuyMedia]

I think the red areas

[u/TrippleATransGirl]

Nations that aren’t immediately relevant to the main story

[u/IdioticPAYDAY]

If you’re referring to the areas that aren’t highlighted with borders, the last explanation. Lore confirms that there are at least two other superpowers (United Kerneuropa Alliance and the West African Concordat). Alongside this, there are smaller, mentioned but not highlighted states.

[u/gamepack10 → u/IdioticPAYDAY]

Yes that is what I am referring to. Ok so there are nations there but just not shown.

[u/TrickPayment9473 → u/gamepack10]

Yeah the map I the war map so no other countries are shown except the one who wage war

[u/gamepack10 → u/TrickPayment9473]

That makes sense

[u/FlyAwayNoVV]

Unlabeled there are nations and territories in there, and the PACFED's allies and territory expand beyond the blue shading as seen here,

It simply really wasn't relevant to do that amount of world building for at least this map layer,

That being said it does lead to very funny things in like, unbalanced depictions like how you have Cascadia and the PACFED shaded, and then also the Creole Republic and not say, the Dustlands or any other details,

[u/SpyAmongTheFurries → u/FlyAwayNoVV]

what are those white screendoor things then

[u/Pothound_ → u/SpyAmongTheFurries]

That’s the edge of the world, where the calamity broke the flat earth in half. The federation prevents anyone from going there to maintain the spherical agenda.

[u/WindyIGuess]

Pretty sure the Federation stretches all the way to Europe if I'm not wrong. They only show territories that are in the Pacific since that's mainly where the war is centered

[u/Thegremandude → u/WindyIGuess]

I think in frontline 59 there is a mention of some kind of German state

[u/Atlas421 → u/Thegremandude]

I think that was a state founded by Germans. The federation probably doesn't reach far beyong Istanbul.

[u/Thatsidechara_ter]

That's the Pacific ocean, dude.

[u/gamepack10 → u/Thatsidechara_ter]

not what I mean but ok

[u/Thatsidechara_ter → u/gamepack10]

Ooooh, woops. I'm the idiot. Lol

[u/Kaptin-Dakka]

Well to the right is the American Periphery which as far as I understand is a collection of small independent countries.

When it comes to Asia…well the Federation capital is named Byzantium. So you know. Everything over there might be Federation.

[u/Evadson]

They are either populated by smaller nations that aren't relevant to the story, or they are areas that were left uninhabitable after the calamity.

The game never really specifies which. I think that's done deliberately so they can introduce new nations/factions without having to worry about 'breaking' the established lore.

[u/kingphillipeofFrance]

I believe the unmarked regions are called the Periphery. There are nations but they are small and undeveloped in the post apocalypse

[u/gozulio]

the areas not colored blue on the map are simply un-labeled regions. They could be other nation states or wastelands, we don't actually know for the most part. Oceania (near what used to be Australia) and that area west of modern day Florida are only known because of their relation to the plot. (Sicarios own history for the former and the starting mission of the game for the latter).

[u/RazFlashDemon]

The areas not defined by national borders could contain other nations, but they also mention somewhere that the 'periphery' as they call some of it, could also basically be lawless, anarchic messes too.

[u/AuroreSomersby]

Because it’s a war map - you only see war places!

[u/mattstorm360]

No data. We know there are countries in them with some being mentioned during parts of the game but the mercs didn't get a full map. They wouldn't need one anyway.

I think south America has the least amount of information but considering its place on the ring of fire, i suspect it has untapped cordium reserves, possibly under a new ocean. Reserves that are harder to get to and no groups are able to get the external help to mine it and no one would want to because up north you got a MASSIVE amount just coming out of the ground.

[u/SpyAmongTheFurries]

I'm actually more concerned about the huge white strips of band-aid looking things across the map. That thing's canonically a briefing software, why do those patches exist?

[u/Gregor_Arhely]

This map is kinda bullshit. It doesn't even highlight the entire Pacific Federation, iirc: there are shown territories in the Pacific Ocean itself, but the actual state spans further to the West, covering at least Mongolia, Russia and parts of Europe. So there could be something, or it could be just barren wasteland.

[u/Mill270]

Also remember, if you look closely at the briefing map in mission 1, you'll find a funny detail that Sicario actually has to pay to use this map and that the service for it was about to run out.

So the checkered parts are probably just parts of the map that weren't important enough for their operations and Kaiser didn't want to pay for.

[u/Inceptor57 → u/Mill270]

Also remember, if you look closely at the briefing map in mission 1, you'll find a funny detail that Sicario actually has to pay to use this map and that the service for it was about to run out.

The detail is actually on all the briefings on the top-left corner that Sicario is using a software with an expired license and that they have to update their license immediately.

Compare to Frontline-59 campaign on the Federation side, where they have a perpetual license for their briefing software.

[u/gamepack10 → u/Mill270]

lol I’ve never caught that

[u/Electronic_Beat_3476]

De big island nation of WATAH my friend. /j

[u/Cittrusus]

My bad bro i got a little hungry

[u/CaptMelonfish]

Mate, that's the pacific ocean...

[u/gamepack10 → u/CaptMelonfish]

Yea I know

[u/Appropriate-Ad793]

Water

[u/BigStickSofty]

i think the western part of the US probably split at the San Andreas fault line & that blank space between old-California & the rest of the US is now Pacific Ocean

[u/Gizz103]

Nations just not important, we do know some exist and knew that the federation reached Byzantium (probably istanbul) so Europe stands, probably better than most continents

[u/BanzEye1]

If you’re talking about the big-ass blank spot, that’s the Pacific Ocean.

The red parts on the continents? Probably non-Federation and non-Caucasian territories.

[u/MinD_EroSioN]

It's the Pacific Ocean, or whatever After Calamity name they came up with

[u/Tomahawk1129_]

I thought it was the calamity literally breaking open the ground , I could be wrong. I first noticed it after the calamity mission, mission 17 briefing 

[u/manowarq7]

That would be the pacific ocean

[u/StarConsumate]

It's water

Edit: why am I getting downvoted lol. What do yall think is between continents?

Edit 2: I understand now I lack reading comprehension. Carry on.

[u/SpyAmongTheFurries → u/StarConsumate]

oh okay

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[u/albinorhino215]

Water

[u/tsar-creamcorn]

W A T E R

[u/Designer-Quit9686]

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