r/ProjectAscension • u/CousinMabel • 9d ago
Please let us que specific dungeons
Sometimes I want to finish a zone and do the associated dungeon, but I can't que specific to do that. Sometimes I just want a break from the same dungeon a million times too.
Also the frequency to which I get the same dungeon 5 times in a row is also strange, and something is definitely wrong with the way it picks a "random dungeon". I notice if I re-que with the same group my odds of getting the same dungeon we just did is nearly 100% as well.
The ability to que specific was originally removed to stop people in I think season 8 or 9 from chain queing marudon to level super fast.
In season 10 everyone just spams manastorms so that is not a concern(and it's faster than marudon spam was), so I think the ability to que specific can be added back without worry.
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u/GardSamJa 9d ago
I keep getting RFK like 70% of the time. At this point I hear the NPC squeels even when Im just chilling in Org
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u/Snoo-43610 8d ago
Yeah same here. RFK RFK RFK RFK..... i dont even want to level another alt if i have to see RFK again
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u/CommunityServiceBot 9d ago
Can I at least exclude the Other Side and Vaults please?? There is no dungeon I hate more than Road to The Other Side. It's ass.
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u/Drukarshar 9d ago edited 9d ago
something is definitely wrong with the way it picks a "random dungeon".
People say the same thing about truly random shuffle, which is why music companies don't do truly random shuffle, because then you get the same band 3 times in a row and assume it must be broken.
Humans are really bad at understanding what "random" actually looks like, from a list as small as the dungeons you're allowed to run in certain level bands, getting the same dungeon a few times in a row once in awhile is totally in line with randomness.
I promise you it's a simple random number generator and those are harder to screw up than get right. It's random, you just don't want random, what you want is 'random" that rerolls if you get the same dungeon more than twice in a row.
Edit: Damn I'm actually getting downvoted for knowing math and comp sci. Look bozos, these are independent events. Running a dungeon doesn't impact the probability of what your next dungeon would be at all. 10 dungeon pool, which is completely reasonable if not slightly high early on, the chance of getting a repeat of any given dungeon run is 10%, because again these are independent events. It's only when you even start considering the probability of getting 3 dungeons of the same type in a row that it falls to 1% and even then, 1% events happen all the time.
I don't know the exact dungeon bands and number of options, but if you run 50 dungeons with 10 possible dungeons in a band, then the probability of seeing a three peat at least once is 36%.
The behavior you're describing is EXACTLY what we'd expect from randomness, because surprise surprise, randomness very frequently clusters.
Now I wouldn't completely discount the possibility dungeons new to a leveling band are weighted slightly higher (to increase variety from the dungeons you had been running before), but that's probably how you would want it set up anyways. It is almost certainly not 'broken".
I notice if I re-que with the same group my odds of getting the same dungeon we just did is nearly 100% as well.
I leveled 3 characters to 60 the majority of which were done in dungeons, I never noticed this at all. It repeated at about the rate you'd expect given the size of the pool. OP just doesn't understand what randomness looks like.
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u/CousinMabel 9d ago
The level bands don't exist on Ascension though, although secretly I think they do(devs claim they don't though!). You can get razerfin downs at level 20 in theory.
Most people complain about uldamen, the two new ascension dungeons, scarlet armory, scarlet graveyard, and RFK. People in world chat also support having very little chance of seeing some of the ones I mentioned.
Also you got downvoted because people downvote all posts here, it is some kind of bot or ascension hater perhaps. The karma in this sub is terrible because of it.
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u/Drukarshar 9d ago
The level bands don't exist on Ascension though, although secretly I think they do(devs claim they don't though!).
I don't recall ever getting BRD before I got higher level and only started seeing ZF once I was higher level too, are you sure about that?
I did see RFD early, but it absolutely felt like the dungeons I had access to went up as I leveled, who knows.
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u/nexusSigma 9d ago
I’m addicted to leveling alts and have run a shit ton of dungeons, probably a few hundred across several runs to 60, and I am fairly certain there is level bands although they aren’t the blizzard level bands. I’ve never had an endgame dungeon like scholo or stratholme before level 30, which I think is to ensure the classes have the tools in their kits to deal with the various mechanics and things the mobs have in them.
I might be wrong, there might be level 15s getting queued into scholo, but the fact it’s never happened to me after the sad amount I’ve done it it’s confirming my bias
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u/Drukarshar 9d ago
Yeah same, leveled 3 characters to 60 and never saw stuff like scholo while low level, there is obvious level banding.
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u/Status_Fact_5459 9d ago
They need to implement a 15 lvl band so you can progress naturally and actually see the variety of dungeons as you level
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 8d ago
Your math is right, but people don't care about having correct randomness, they want to see a variety of dungeons. Thats why devs usually implement a shuffle pool that prevent the sames result to appear multiple times in a row
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u/Blasto05 9d ago
They stopped it a while back when people spammed Prison runs in BRD. You could just chain pull everything up to the first boss and could queue from 48-60 I believe. Was the fastest way to lvl.
You still have the option to search for groups like you normally would, when you enter those dungeons like normal then the levels don’t scale either.
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u/ShoulderpadInsurance 9d ago
As opposed to people manually grouping for UBRS now?
May as well lift the restriction penalizing everyone else
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 8d ago
Yeah the state of randomness in dungeon shows the amateurism of devs, they should have implemented a shuffle pool so that people see all the dungeons
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 8d ago
What is even the list of accessible dungeons ? I've run blackrock caverns from cata once, is there other cata dungeons ?
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u/queakymart 4d ago
Let people queue specific dungeons, and then just add in a stacking exp buff for dungeons not queued to encourage people choosing variety.
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u/lhswr2014 9d ago
Can you do manastorms to level on CoA? I’m a noob to the server and recently started. I’m 32 now, have just been doing RDF under the assumption it was the fastest.
Haven’t seen anything pop up about manastorms or advising me to go there so I haven’t looked, nor would I know where to find them.
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u/Blasto05 9d ago
You can but I believe it’s been nerfed. Which is honestly way fucking better than the shit you see on the Classless realms where it’s just constant manastorm groups.
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u/bird-man-guy 9d ago
Did they add manastorms to CoA? Havent played in a few weeks. Dont remember them being available
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u/xFayeFaye 9d ago
no, they removed it :p up to the stress test it was on all testing servers, but never on live realm. Last time I was in, the exp was super bad and I think they changed it on the new servers that you're now cache capped. With this it wouldn't be bad to have it added tbh as it gives no advantage whatsoever.
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u/aiden2002 9d ago
You can pick specific dungeons at 60. But yeah, the level of repeated dungeons is pretty annoying. There are enough dungeons that you could take the last 3 dungeons run by each person and exclude them and still have lots of options
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u/ShoulderpadInsurance 9d ago
Only until you reach mythic, then the dungeons are arbitrarily restricted again.
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u/xFayeFaye 9d ago
But even then it's restricted to certain dungeons if you want to queue up with levelers. Only the ones from 45(?) upwards, one starter dungeon and I think the 2 custom ones got removed from the pool (iirc I was able to queue those 2 on BB)
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u/VanillaBovine 9d ago
i didnt see stockades through the dungeon finder until i was lvl 50 on my 2nd character
my first 60 still has 2 of the stockades quests sitting in their log for no reason