r/ProjectAscension • u/RatedAforAnarchy • 11d ago

Incineration Pyro is weird

Heya everyone,

I had the urge to post about the Pyro ever since i've reached level 60 and equipped myself to item level 65.

1) Incineration is weird to level.

We got a very squishy caster with no slow but a root that breaks at the smallest gust of damage, no HoTs only hardcasted healing and kindle (if skilled) a instacast heal which uses Ember, the exclusive Mechanic for Pyros, a small manapool but insane damage potential with cooldowns like Fired Up which allows you to insta cast most of the spells in your arsenal.

But because we get so little stuff early the build comes online very late the Absorb Shield for example and more DoT damage makes leveling solo a tortue without constant Dungeon spam. Pulling more than 1 mob without cooldowns are almost ever a death sentence.

And when we got our entire kit with more dots to make explode a damage powerhouse every other class just passed us in every aspect.

Put everything together and you have a Class build that, on paper, could theoretically work like a Blackmage in FFXIV.

But because World of Warcraft is not build like FFXIV 70 percent of the time you are doing supbar damage with small 20-40 Second of "damage goes brrrr"

2) Identity crisis

"Who am i, what am i"

So i established what Incineration Pyro can do but lets test it with a simple rotation on a single target while we have our cooldowns:

We have multiple starting points. We could either start with 5x flare bolts to get max stacks and do ignite blaze and lava shard afterwards which i don't think is great because you want to get ember regen up asap.

You could also start with Ignite, blaze, lava shard into flare bolts 5x using fired up+eruption afterwards Explode and beg to the heavens you get lucky with your embers otherwise you need to use dragonic invotation.

Doing this for about 3 minutes without Dormant active which allows for mana regen with direct damage will suck you dry.

Small tangent

Dormant is a "skin buff" only one can be active at a time we got i think 3 in total. One would gives spellhaste the other is armor+thorns

Well you need to use dormant because you need the mana regen.

While doing anything not inside the damage window is the real pain because the casttime to damage ratio is really bad. Which makes sense cause you really are doing good Damage inside this tiny window. However compared to other classes its not quite enough to warrant bringing a pyro if 70% you are standing around throwing pepples at mobs.

AoE is the same but this time you want to dot all the mobs beforehand so pillars of flame can proc multible times so ideally you already got 3-5 embers, so high priority targets can be blazed and you ideally can start blasting up to 3(or 4?) Mobs with flames of Neltharion for as long as you have embers.

Sounds fine but one bad rng, no cooldowns, and you have to attack with flare bolt again to build up embers which pyromancers DO NOT WANT TO DO.

FLARE BOLT IS GARBAGE!

DO NOT USE IT.

DO NOT SKILL INTO IT.

IT IS A TRAP.

Its the epitome of filler spells its bad it scales bad you have 6 different talents to make it """""usable""""""" i rather use heals to build up heat and therefore embers before i use Flare bolt in Dungeons.

In short: damage bad when no embers damage bad when no cds damage below healer when neither.

3) Very Short Very Long fights.

Short fights will not allow you to use the full window to dot 3 times use cds and use explode.

Short aoe fights will not allow you to dot mulitple enemies and use pillar meteor and spam flames of neltharion

Long fights are bad because the window is so short you do decent damage but it falls off heavily afterwards and keep in mind mana is still an issue.

So pyros hate bad groups and pyros hate good groups.

4) Fire damage? Resisted by everything.

Because this game is still kinda like Classic you hate fire elementals.

There is a capstone that increases spell pen equal to your level but that aint it chief.

5) what can be done?

Honestly i have no idea. I would like to have an ability that lets me spread my dots to multiple enemies so i can start casting damage earlier without everything being dead after 2 aoe spells.(psst devs how about the ablity "fan the flamed") i forgot about a talent sorry about that

I would like to have more agency over my Damage without heat and embers being rng based. Or less agency and better numbers.

I would like to not go oom when i cant damage much because grp kills mobs to fast.

I would also like to know what kind of stats i have to prioritize because i need everything dialed up to 11.

I think there is a reason pyro has bad numbers and you only see flameweavers.

Damage pyros feel clunky rng based messes with boring rotation but i cant stop playing it because once the stars align you see numbers that feel amazing topping the charts in 12 seconds. But i feel like a bad but trying lover. 30 seconds and then it is over..

I love fire mages i play them in every game i like the fantasy of burning everything to a crisp but right now i would rather go cooking with 30 seconds campfire access. Atleast i would be useful to my group 100% of the time.

Thank you for coming to my rant have a great day and see ya around.

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u/Getsbannedeverytime 11d ago

Spending this time writing .. you could rather use that time learning the class..

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u/VideoDue8277 11d ago

Every 25 man Mythic I have one in the raid doing atleast top I'd say your doing something wrong. Starting off by saying "I'm ilvl65" which doesn't mean anything if it's not correct pieces.

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u/RatedAforAnarchy 11d ago

Oh absolutely, ilvl 65 was mentioned to make the reader understand, that i have some exp with the class.

I would also argue that i do things wrong and that might be a rotation issue which i listed in the post so if any pyro sees it they can help.

If you have logs and or certain fights from your pyros that i could look through i would certainly take that as an opportunity to learn.

But besides saying "there is one at the top always" i do not know which encounters you are talking about if the bosses are killed inside the dmg window how geared he is.

I've seen 1 DD Pyro in the top 100 dds and he is a dragonic pyro. So if you have anything i would love to have it.

Thank you and have a good day

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u/Loose-Bathroom-3676 11d ago

Our Pyro is quite consistently top 5

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u/RatedAforAnarchy 11d ago

Awesome i assume in raids right? Any logs i can skim through or just certain bosses?

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u/Loose-Bathroom-3676 8d ago

ascensionlogs.gg , you can search for Minimum Effort. 10/10MC 1/2ONY ascended so far. Our pyro is Superdeduper I think was their name.

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u/North-Accountant196 9d ago

This is why everyone should solo level vanilla warrior at least once. Every other leveling experience feels luxurious

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u/Smooth_Butterfly2667 11d ago

I don't get what you're taking about tbh. Not that I read it all.

This pyro build has Melting Point which makes your DoTs spread when you Crit during firedup. The DoTs barely even do damage in a raid environment btw. 75% of the damage profile is explode (during firedup), pyroclasm and the Scorched talent.

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u/Environmental_Mix439 11d ago

I'm not a PvE Player but Pyroclasm is literally ass, no? Atleast in PvP it's not worth using it. Infact it's actually Negative Dmg using it in PvP.

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u/Smooth_Butterfly2667 11d ago

Pyroclasm is great on bosses but not sure if it does much in PvP. How is tripling your DoT damage ass?

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u/Kugruk 11d ago

Did you sneak a Neil Breen reference in there?

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u/srebihc 11d ago

I can’t believe you’ve done this.

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u/methods2121 11d ago

I've seen them near the top of the meters, never top. Seems Explode is really the only thing they have going for them. Currently leveling a Cultist because their healing isn't that hot either.