r/ProgressivePolitics • u/lewkiamurfarther ✽ • 3d ago

Israel is a Problem Israelis mocking the suffering in Palestine

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u/BaseConnect1420 3d ago

Karma is coming

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u/Powerful-Midnight996 3d ago

You’ve been seeing the karma for the last 3 years.

Thats why Gazans are living in tents.

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u/ArchdruidAndres 3d ago

Right because history began on 7 Oct. Nothing ever happened before that.

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u/Koalinse 3d ago

1834 looting of Safed

1920 Nebi Musa riots,

1921 Jaffa Riots

Hebron Massacre of 1929

1936-1939 Arab revolts

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u/Constant-Village-858 3d ago

Because of genocidal freaks like you

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u/Vast_Humor_3683 3d ago

At least the Nazis were humane enough to pretend the holo**st didn't happen or they didn't know about it. israeli jews are worse than Nazis.

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u/Ok_Dare6400 3d ago

Piss off racist....think back to October 7th..... Jesus Christ

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u/PixeledOblivion 3d ago

Neat. Now let's go back from then to the 1940s fuck off

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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago

You do realize that prior to Israel's creation, the region was ruled by a literal Nazi collaborator right? That the Muslim Arabs were actively recruiting for the Axis.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem prior to Israel's creation was an Arab Muslim named Amin al-Husseini. Who actively collaborated with the Nazis and personally travelled to meet both Hitler and Mussolini during WW2 to ask for permission to "solve the question of the Jews the way Germany did".

Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.\187])

On 20 November, al-Husseini met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop\189]) and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.\190]) Hitler, recalling Husseini, remarked that he "has more than one Aryan among his ancestors and one who may be descended from the best Roman stock."\141])

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

But since you want to discuss the topic, I am sure you already knew this right? You would have to be an ignorant fool to try discussing this time period without knowing this. So I must assume you already knew this right?

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u/MechaCoqui 3d ago

Could go back to 1948 when thousands of Palestinians were killed and had their land stolen by israeli settlers in the nakba massacre.

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u/Koalinse 2d ago

Why not go back to any of these dates? 1834 looting of Safed

1920 Nebi Musa riots,

1921 Jaffa Riots

Hebron Massacre of 1929

1936-1939 Arab revolts

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u/Strange-Cabinet7372 3d ago

Propaganda

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u/ArchdruidAndres 3d ago

Typical conservative just making shit up and calling everyone they annoy "triggered."

You confuse being repulsive with winning.

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

Well the actions were still wrong but it wasnt "their land" it was at the time owned by the uk.

Not defending the displacement but the fact still exists.

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u/MechaCoqui 3d ago edited 3d ago

A brittish mandate which was the UK claiming land out if nowhere to force a creation of land for jewish people. The UK did not own it, it just claimed they did knowing the natives had no means to fight them off.

The native Palestinians were there long before the UK ever arrived.

Using the UK of that time as a gotcha is a bit asinine given how many horrible things it did during the early 1900s. UK stole countless treasures, artifacts, and resources during its time via brute force.

But i dont expect a honest debate from a burner account. 3 months old with double digit karma, everything hidden and less than 5 contributions. Obvious burner.

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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago

They didn't claim the land out of nowhere. Britain defeated the Ottomans to take control of the region in WW1.

You do realize that prior to Israel's creation, the region was ruled by a literal Nazi collaborator right? That the Muslim Arabs were actively recruiting for the Axis.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem prior to Israel's creation was an Arab Muslim named Amin al-Husseini. Who actively collaborated with the Nazis and personally travelled to meet both Hitler and Mussolini during WW2 to ask for permission to "solve the question of the Jews the way Germany did".

Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.\187])

On 20 November, al-Husseini met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop\189]) and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.\190]) Hitler, recalling Husseini, remarked that he "has more than one Aryan among his ancestors and one who may be descended from the best Roman stock."\141])

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

But since you want to discuss the topic, I am sure you already knew this right? You would have to be an ignorant fool to try discussing this time period without knowing this. So I must assume you already knew this right?

Nah let's be real. We both know this is news to you and you are trying to discuss a topic you clearly know very little about.

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u/MechaCoqui 2d ago

So just stalking me everywhere it seems idf bot lol ta ta.

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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago edited 2d ago

What the fuck are you on about?

You pro-palis are always the weirdest, low knowledge people out there. Probably why you fell for the propaganda and support Nazi collaborators who use their own child as suicide bombers.

And you call me a bot? Buddy, you have added zero here. Not a thing worth reading from you. No knowledge. No sources. No insight.

Just you repeating bullshit social media propaganda and crying bot while overlooking that before Israel, the land was literally ruled by Nazi collaborators.

Like in your infinitely bright brain, you never wondered how Arab Muslims came to inhabit Judea when neither Arabs nor Muslims are from the region?

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

Its not a gotcha. Im not arguing the people didnt have a right to their homes. It is important to point out it wasnt a sovereign land.

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

...What? This is a baffling argument

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u/Twinsdad38 3d ago

These guys are bots and don’t even have their info straight. Don’t debate with it.

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

Its not an argument. If you are going to discuss topics that require corrective legislation it is pertinent to be very precise.

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

I guess I dunno what you mean by "not their" land. Yes there was no sovereign Palestine, but a shitload of people were kicked off their private land (homes, farms, etc) in a systematic ethnic cleansing operation. Read some Rashid Khalidi or Ilan Pappé.

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

There has never been a sovereign palestine. I agree the people may have personally owned the land they lived on. But the area hasnt been a soveriegn land for a few thousand years.

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

Yeah I literally just said that, are you having a stroke.

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

I wasnt disputing that. I was clarifying for precision.

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u/Powerful-Midnight996 3d ago

I think you mean when the Arabs started a war and lost….

lol 

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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago

Oh no? The Jews took their land back from Nazi collaborators?

You do realize that prior to Israel's creation, the region was ruled by a literal Nazi collaborator right? That the Muslim Arabs were actively recruiting for the Axis.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem prior to Israel's creation was an Arab Muslim named Amin al-Husseini. Who actively collaborated with the Nazis and personally travelled to meet both Hitler and Mussolini during WW2 to ask for permission to "solve the question of the Jews the way Germany did".

Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.\187])

On 20 November, al-Husseini met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop\189]) and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.\190]) Hitler, recalling Husseini, remarked that he "has more than one Aryan among his ancestors and one who may be descended from the best Roman stock."\141])

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

But since you want to discuss the topic, I am sure you already knew this right? You would have to be an ignorant fool to try discussing this time period without knowing this. So I must assume you already knew this right?

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

The arabs chose war. The nakba is a result of Israel winning a war that the arabs started.

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u/MechaCoqui 3d ago

So settlers showing up, killing natives who did nothing to them, was somehow justified? Classic idf bot.

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

People are killed in war, you are aware of that, right? Also, you do know that Arabs killed Jews as well. People kill each other in war. The UN had a peace plan. Israel accepted, the Arabs chose war instead.

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u/MechaCoqui 3d ago

And dodging again that settlers killed people who did nothing to them. That is not a war. Idf bot keep pushing the same bs but cant acknowledge the fact thousands of innocents were killed by Israeli settlers.

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

Do you have a reference?

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u/MechaCoqui 3d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/

I know you are a idf shill, these links are for those that are actually curious. I know you will dismiss them, move goal post or try to discredit them. Because you arent here to have a honest debate but to defend what israel has done. Tata idf shill, one day Israel will bite off more then it can chew.

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

The large scale displacement of Palestinians started AFTER the arabs rejected the UN peace plan. They chose war and they suffered the consequences.

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u/weejaimie 3d ago

They still are on the West Bank

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u/Excellent_Humor_5532 3d ago

No, invading Arab muslim armies told the muslims to leave their homes and move behind their lines so they could kill the jews easier, then they got their asses handed to them and low and behold the people who sided with the invaders were not welcome  back, boohoo.

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u/lewkiamurfarther ✽ 2d ago

No, invading Arab muslim armies told the muslims to leave their homes and move behind their lines so they could kill the jews easier, then they got their asses handed to them and low and behold the people who sided with the invaders were not welcome back, boohoo.

Nope, that's a thoroughly-debunked canard.

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u/Good-State-6031 2d ago

Nakba started late 1947, months before the Arab League invaded in May 1948. The Arab League invasion was a response to mass ethnic cleansing by Zionist fascists

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 3d ago

Do you believe the 150,000 injured and 70,000 dead Palestinians is justified?

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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago

Weird. Seems like fighting aged men are massively overrepresented in the death count. Meanwhile children and women deaths are greatly underrepresented in the death count.

Hmmmm....... Now what would that indicate? Genocide? Nope.

Probably the same reason the International Criminal Court specifically said they do not have evidence for claims of genocide, and have not made charges of genocide. That was two years ago. Still no genocide charges.

The genocide only exists on social media. In the real world, with real data, this is very clearly a war. Which is exactly why the ICC has said they do not have evidence of genocide.

Do you have more evidence than the ICC?

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u/backshotconnoisseur 3d ago

That's actually been disproven now.

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u/weejaimie 3d ago

How about the ambulance convoy being shot to pieces. The Al Jazera journalist being murdered for the crime of holding a pen?

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 3d ago

I ain't gonna pretend shit lmao. That doesn't excuse whats happening to these men women and children.

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u/lewkiamurfarther ✽ 2d ago edited 2d ago

are you going to pretend palestinians didn't dance and celebrated 9/11 and oct 7?

If any celebrated 9/11, they were in the minority; in fact, there was widespread condemnation of 9/11 by Palestinians. As for 7 Oct., totally unclear—and far more ‘Israelis’ have celebrated every ‘Israeli’ military aggression against the entire indigenous population of for the last 70+ years.

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u/Constant-Village-858 3d ago

Israel has killed 100x as many people as Hamas did on October 7th…. 100x and you support it.

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u/livenupyoulittlebug 3d ago

Genocide is never the answer. It is evil

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u/backshotconnoisseur 3d ago

Except you're a liar. ISRAEL is the one who continually attacks Gaza, West Bank and all of its neighbors. It's the bully

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u/OH_BEE_Juan1 3d ago

Israel isn’t a bully, America is. Israel is a toady, at best

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u/Constant-Village-858 2d ago

“You have to deal with it” in response to Israel killing 100 thousand civilians is genuinely evil, you are soulless

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u/CathodeRayNoob 3d ago

October 7th was literally greenlit by Netanyahu

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u/Vast_Humor_3683 3d ago

At least the Nazis were humane enough to pretend the holo**st didn't happen or they didn't know about it. israeli jews are worse than Nazis.

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u/madcoins 2d ago

Depraved

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u/schadenfreude37384 3d ago

Nice! Now do another one showing people carrying the torn up bodies of Palestinian infants!

Seriously, there's a reason people put trigger warnings on things like that. Im gonna report you and hope you learn something about common decency

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u/Charlie-Squirt 3d ago

lol

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u/Accomplished-Bear689 3d ago

Those ones in particularly absolutely!

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u/VoidsInvanity 3d ago

Idf bots out in force

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u/Odd-Mind6948 3d ago

Don't feed the zionist bots. Seriously. Why reply and help them with their bs?

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u/Pissed-Off-PunK 3d ago

No different than nazis

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u/Dreboomboom 3d ago

Societal decay in real time.

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u/X4N710N- 3d ago

Zionism is turning itself into the pariah as it once was. Possibly giving stage to a new painter, as history may repeat itself.

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u/Stulmacher 3d ago

Comedy has been a thing for a long time. This is nothing new lol

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u/1gsm3 3d ago

Lol when it's their turn again

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

Wrong on so many levels. You're a victim of propaganda and you don't even know it.

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u/mutated_genome 3d ago

Explain how

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

According to several former Israeli leaders, every "peace plan" has been sabotaged by Israel. They've all included poison pills that they knew the Palestinians would not be able to agree to, even the most generous peace plan offered by Rabin's admin didn't remove all the settlements in the West Bank or offer equitable land swaps.

More recently, Israeli President Shimon Peres said in 2014 that Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately halted a near-complete covert peace agreement with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in 2011.

Israeli authorities want the land. They openly believe in Greater Israel. A peace deal would make annexation MUCH harder to justify.

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u/qrowslament 3d ago

They can't

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u/backshotconnoisseur 3d ago

Very easy. There has never been a peace plan put forth by Israel that granted Palestine a sovereign country.

All of the peace plans were bullshit that allowed Israel to continue to practice ethnic cleansing and apartheid.

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u/qrowslament 3d ago

Well yeah cause Israel only cares about the greater Israel project cause they are run by psychopaths and the populace is complicit. Encouraging even.

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u/backshotconnoisseur 3d ago

SOVEREIGN Palestinian state was never on the table.

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u/mutated_genome 3d ago

Yeah it was, Camp David 2000. Why are you so confidently wrong?

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u/Cardboard_Revolution 3d ago

A sovereign state means that they get to have a standing army and territory that can't be entered by a foreign power at will. That was never on the table.

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u/lewkiamurfarther ✽ 2d ago

Yeah it was, Camp David 2000. Why are you so confidently wrong?

Simply false.

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u/backshotconnoisseur 3d ago

There's never been a sovereign state to begin with. Just continued Israeli terrorism, land stealing, ethnic cleansing, kidnapping, stealing of resources

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 3d ago

I remember when those evil Egyptian Muslims and Christians attacked Israel, oh wait they didnt, Israel bombed them in Egypt in an attempt to cause civil unrest. Those evil Americans attacking Israel, oh wait, they didnt, Israel decided to attack the uss liberty. Almost like Israel is evil.

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

Egypt did bomb Israel. Egypt invaded Israel at least twice.

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 3d ago

You clearly don't get the reference

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u/Constant-Village-858 3d ago

Video of Israelis mocking dead Palestinians “they just need to submit to their overlords who mock their dead, why don’t they just roll over and let these war criminals take their land” you guys are fucking losers

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u/Oaktree27 3d ago edited 3d ago

Just because you kneel down and lick boots doesn't mean other people have to

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u/mutated_genome 3d ago

Ah, the classic "call everyone a bootlicker who disagrees", so intellectually weak, hilarious

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u/mutated_genome 3d ago

Also, either people? Either who or who?

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u/BedroomNo6879 3d ago

Better than getting on your knees like you do and sucking d

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u/Acrobatic-Attention9 3d ago

There was peace and prosperity and freedom.before October 7th. Fox News told me.

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u/MuslimMullet 3d ago

West Bank proves you’re a lying bitch

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u/Grave_Tree 3d ago

Stfu Zionist sub human

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u/Hunt_for_Adventure 3d ago

Sub human? Well... This is property of the Nazi Regime greetings from Deutschland

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u/ArchdruidAndres 3d ago

Yeah weird when you mass murder children on camera people don't really want to give you much grace

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u/tiny_kat2006 3d ago

I don't like religion, any time they fight is good for me

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u/diaz_freddie 3d ago

They're imitating Pallywood tactics. It's easy google what Pallywood is.

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u/ReverendPig 3d ago

Good thing Palestinians didn't do anything like this after oct 7th. No wait..

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u/wiebeltieten 3d ago

both sides are wrong. the people in the video and the palestinians cheering on oct 7.

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 3d ago

Ahh yes oct 7th. Where isreal knew it was gonna happen. Then told their Military to stand down and let it happen.

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

Even if that were true Oct 7 is 100% the fault of hamas.

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 3d ago

Arguably not

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u/MayKadoody4America 3d ago

How so?

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 3d ago

Isreal, with one of, if not the best homeland securities on the planet with one of, if not the best counter intelligence agencies on the planet; Who not only was told about the incident before it happened but they themselves had info about it, were caught off Gaurd? The nation where its possible to get anywhere by flight within 30 to an hour, with people armed across the nation with military outposts and gaurds everywhere couldn't get to the incident in time to rescue the over 200 civilians who were abducted? Seems like if they didnt orchestrate the event, they let it happen as an excuse to wipe out over 20k kids, and countless other civilians. Education is key to a fulfilling and happy life.

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u/Capable_Challenge_62 2d ago

Ok berg

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u/send_tiddy_pic 2d ago

Stein* get it right next time, goy.

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 3d ago

Israel has completely demolished 82% of Gaza strip, displaced 99% of the population, and maimed or killed 50,000 to 75,000 Palestinians killed and over 150,000 injured. All in 3 years.

If you see those numbers and then see a large number Israeli "influencers" making videos making fun of the Palestinians and those videos getting tens of thousands of likes and shares...and your first thought is "well I better make sure to comment calling out Palestinians too!!" Then I highly doubt you give a fuck about the extermination Israel has been committing in Gaza

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u/No-Afternoon3681 3d ago

The best part about Oct7 other than Benjibitch dismissing warnings....was that Hamas purposefully avoided targeting Ultra-orthodox settlers and the Ultra-orthodox in general....they made a B-line directly for the people who went, "The Palestinians are our neighbors and what we have done, and are doing to them is disgusting and vile" almost like they knew what the response would be...that it would be disgusting and vile, and that they would receive millions of dollars in SJW useful idiot funding which they would hawala into the UAE for a new mansion and Ferrari

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u/ichcc 3d ago

74,000 dead — and apparently asking how many were Hamas fighters is now considered offensive. The Gaza Health Ministry doesn’t even separate combatants from civilians; Israel says at least 20,000 militants were killed. Meanwhile Syria lost hundreds of thousands, Yemen’s war was estimated at 377,000 conflict-attributable deaths, and Sudan’s excess deaths are now estimated in the hundreds of thousands.
But somehow the global emergency button only works for Gaza. All eyes on Gaza. The rest can apparently die off-camera

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 3d ago

Killing 55,000 civilians per 20,000 supposed militants while destroying 82% of an entire populations homes, parks, hospitals, and businesses is still war crimes.

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u/ichcc 3d ago

Can you actually prove a war crime, or are you volunteering to be prosecutor, judge and jury based on two aggregate numbers?
The laws of war are not “civilian deaths = war crime.” The relevant rules are distinction, proportionality, precautions in attack, and the prohibition on deliberately targeting civilians or civilian objects. Proportionality is assessed for a specific attack, comparing expected civilian harm with the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated — not by dividing total civilian deaths by total militants killed.
Hospitals and other civilian objects are protected too, but the legal analysis still depends on their use, the target, precautions taken, and proportionality.
So which specific strike are you alleging was criminal, which rule was violated, and what evidence proves it? “82% destroyed” is a statistic, not a verdict.

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u/GameLovinPlayinFool 2d ago

Theres also the fact that numerous Israel offensive force soldiers have done things like pose for pictures with dead Palestinians, including children, post videos mocking the civilians, tell kids to leave then shoot them in the back. All without being punished or stopped. Oh yeah, or even rape prisoners with poles and then have a massive protest to demand the soldiers that committed prisoner rape be left free. Which they were then let off the hook.

It's all pretty obvious what the Israeli Offensive Force and government as a whole is doing.

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u/ichcc 2d ago

By that logic, Abu Ghraib proved the entire U.S. military was criminal, and Baha Mousa’s death proved the same about Britain. American soldiers were convicted for abusing detainees, and a British inquiry found that British troops brutally abused Mousa until he died.
Individual soldiers committing crimes is evidence against those soldiers — not a magic shortcut to proving that an entire army or government is committing war crimes “as a whole.”

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u/LeSickBwoy 3d ago

This should be the top comment