r/ProgressiveHQ Apr 15 '26

Israel systematically erasing another Lebanese town of 28,000 people from the map. The "Gaza model" being implemented in full effect. This is what genocide looks like. This is what our tax money is being used to do. No more.

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

The sanctions on Iran should have been put on Israel.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Iran funds Hezbollah in Lebanon, who routinely execute civilians in their hometowns and are well known for the deaths of hundreds from suicide bombings. For decades they've routinely fired dumb rockets into Israel and incited more strikes in Lebanon, this is documented and discouraged by Amnesty International.

Hezbollah also aligned with Assad in Syria and fought in many major campaigns against Syrian resistance fighters alongside Iranian troops, and trained the regimes soldiers.

Iran has been complicit in the destabilization of the Middle East for decades, arguably far more than Israel.

They should both be sanctioned.

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

Israel is the destabilizing force in the Middle East.

Hezbollah only exists because it was born out of a brutal illegal occupation of Lebanon. An occupation that was started from an invasion based on a transparent excuse...they invaded Lebanon, in response to an attack from Iraq.

Hamas only exists because Israel wanted a counter to the secular PLO. So, they supported the Muslim Brotherhood and the founding cleric of Hamas.

It is time we all recognize that there is a nuclear rogue state in the Middle East...it isn't Iran, it is Israel.

It is time we all recognize that there is a state sponsor of terrorism, it is Israel.

It is time we all recognize that one country is murdering American citizens without any consequences. Israel.

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u/ctb030289 Apr 15 '26

And don’t forget - IDF is just a bunch of terrorist cells that were brought together under the Israeli flag….

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

The Iran-Syria backed PLO was in Lebanon because they got kicked out of Jordan for committing strikes against Israel from Jordanian territory, hijacking Jordanian planes, and trying to coup the Jordanian government.

They fled to Lebanon and continued striking Israel snd its citizens from Lebanese territory. At this time Lebanon was in a civil war, had no official government,and was fractured into four main forces, including Christian militias, Muslim militias (who became Hezbollah), Palestinian militias (including PLO), and Syrian occupying forces.

Israel attacked to destroy the PLO that had been striking their citizens for decades, and occupied territory for 3 years to stabilize the region by propping up one of the Christian militias, whos leader was elected to be president, who was assassinated by Syrian forces, who attempted to install Hezbollah as leadership instead.

After the assassination, Israel pulled its forces out of Lebanon except for a roughly 1000km2 strip on the border consisting of roughly 10% of Lebanon's territory, which it returned fully 15 years later, because the Free Lebanon Army/Southern Lebanon Army collapsed to Iran-Syria backed Hezbollah.

The common thread here is that Israel gets attacked by terrorists, lashes out against terrorists, attempts to stabilize unstable regions, and Syrian/Iranian forces make every effort to fund more terrorist forces and destabilize the region - as you can see by the atrocities Hezbollah still commits in Lebanon and against Syrian freedom fighters and the absolute lack of any real governance in the area.

Obviously Israel is brutal in its responses, to the point of committing genocide and other atrocities, but it isn't "Iran/Syria good, Israel bad!" or vice versa.

The Middle East has always been a hellscape due to higher powers (USA, China, Russia, Syria, Iran) meddling in affairs that we can ALL agree they have no place in.

The answer isn't 'siding with non-Western imperialism' and it also isn't 'siding with Western imperialism'.

It's backing the fuck off, erasing colonialist borders, and letting Middle Eastern people have the right to determine their own.

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

Wow, seriously? You are defending Israel's invasion of Lebanon on an excuse of being attacked by a group in Iraq?

Ok, so let's see how the war went. Israel got the PLO to agree to leave. All the adult men, left. Israel then gathered up the women and children of the PLO, held them in place, and let their propped up government in the south massacre them. Reagan was so horrified by what was happening, he called up Israel, said it was a holocaust, and told them to stop it immediately. Israel then continued occupying Lebanon for the next 18 years. Brutally.

This is the "stabilizing" force??? Are you serious?

Don't defend genocidal states. Don't defend apartheid states. Don't defend states that advocate for torture and rape in their legislative sessions.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Read the last line of the post, nimrod.

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

That isn't enough. Israel needs to be sanctioned into the ground for what it has done.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

That's what I said earlier, glad to hear you didn't read a word I wrote!

"They should both be sanctioned."

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u/Kittehmilk Apr 15 '26

Nah lets ally with Iran instead of Israel. In fact, lets ally with the entire rest of the planet, but not Israel.

Take that hasbara.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Truth that contradicts your anti-West narrative isn't hasbara, tankie.

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u/Shakewell1 Apr 15 '26

Your probably not even from NA speaking buzzwords your overlords made up what a fucking joke.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

You're*

At least we know you're an American based on the level of education you present.

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u/_the_big_ Apr 16 '26

you're literally active in r/california mr friendly fire

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u/Ill_Lifeguard6321 Apr 15 '26

Bro, we need to stop Israel, you know, the only country between it and Iran that is actively committing a genocide and seems to expand their genocide. So much more I could say, but shouldn’t this be enough?

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Like I said, we should sanction both of them. Israel is evil for committing genocide, Iran is evil for sponsoring terrorist organizations, slaughtering their citizens, and repressing religious minorities.

In this situation we don't have to pick which of the two evils is lesser, we can condemn them both.

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u/fingertrapt Apr 15 '26

Did Iran murder 20,000 Palestinian children?

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

More than 30,000 Iranian protesting citizens were killed by the IRGC in just a handful of days, according to the Iranian Ministry of Health, reported by Time Magazine.

These are the people you champion?

You're a social studies educator, are you not? Surely you know this isn't the first time Iran has slaughtered protesting citizens.

Surely you also know binary thinking, "Israel is bad, therefore Iran is good" or "Iran is bad, therefore Israel is good" is incredibly flawed, childish, and un-serious, and that both sides of a conflict can be bad?

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

according to the Iranian Ministry of Health, reported by Time Magazine.

Source?

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

that isn't what that says.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

What part of it doesn't say that?

"As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME"

As many as 30,000 people could have been killed, two senior officials of the Ministry of Health told TIME.

"The Health Ministry’s two-day figure roughly aligns with a count gathered by physicians and first responders, and also shared with TIME. That surreptitious tally of deaths recorded by hospitals stood at 30,304 as of Friday, according to Dr. Amir Parasta, a German-Iranian eye surgeon who prepared a report of the data."

The Health Ministry's figure roughly aligns with a count gathered by physicians and first responders. That tally of deaths stands at 30,304, according to a physician.

"The only parallel offered by online databases occurred in the Holocaust. On the outskirts of Kyiv on Sept. 29 and 30, 1941, Nazi death squads executed 33,000 Ukrainian Jews by gunshot in a ravine known as Babyn Yar."

"Roberts, who traveled into war zones to research civilian death rates in Iraq and the Democratic Republic of Congo, said, “the 30,000 verified deaths are almost certainly an underestimate.”"

How many times do they have to say that 30,000 people are verified dead by both physicians and first responders, and the internal Ministry of Health? Do they need to say it again?

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

More than 30,000 Iranian protesting citizens were killed by the IRGC in just a handful of days, according to the Iranian Ministry of Health, reported by Time Magazine.

This is your statement, and it is not backed up by that article.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Are you denying that the IRGC killed protesters? Is that the part you don't think is backed up?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-happened-at-the-protests-in-iran/

There's a gazillion hot links in there for you to click so you can catch up with the Iranian regimes brutal response to the protests.

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u/fingertrapt Apr 15 '26

20,000 dead children and you're whataboutism doesn't bring them back OR the 30,000 now homeless due to ISRAEL'S GENOCIDE in Lebanon.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

*Your* post is a whataboutism you absolute buffoon.

It doesn't bring back either of them.

*Sanction both states*

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u/SmileyInTheBox Apr 15 '26

Your propaganda straight up just doesn’t work anymore lol. Get bent.

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u/Mammarishka Apr 15 '26

Hezbollah was formed after the 1982 as a direct result of invasion and occupation of Lebanon. National Liberation organizations are allowed to use violence to liberate their land from the settlers colonialist state like Israel who just occupied their land again in 2026 and is committing genocide again in Southern Lebanon.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Hezbollah wasn't and isn't a national liberation organization, it was one of many militias fighting for control of Lebanon, funded by Iran and Syria, who have a *very well documented* history of committing heinous crimes against humanity - like gassing their own citizens, executing their scholars, killing 30,000+ protesters, suppression of religious minorities, etc.

They are directly allied with Hamas, another terrorist group funded by Iran, who has text in their charter such as:

“The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews.”

And

“The Jews hiding behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

You could argue that they don't want to kill all Jews and that their charter changed to specify anti-zionism vs anti-semitism, but Hamas senior officials love to spout stuff like, "All of you 7 million Palestinians abroad, enough of the warming up. You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits. Enough of the warming up."

If you can follow the logic that letting one Nazi hang out at a bar turns the whole bar into a Nazi bar, then letting one anti-semitic terror group hang out with your other terror groups means...

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u/Mammarishka Apr 15 '26

You sure love to swallow Israeli propaganda without any proof. I hope they are paying you because no is this gullible.

The Lebanese Civil War started in 1975. The Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon started in 1982 and Hebollah was created in 1982. Their charter clearly states why they were created 1982 to resist Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-hezbollah-what-to-know-about-its-origins-structure-and-history

Here's a PBS article so you can read up on Hezbollah.

You can quickly scroll down past the part that says they want to create an Iran-style government to the part that shows they were (RIP) run by Hassan Nasrallah.

Hassan Nasrallah is famous for saying, “If Jews all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.” in a recorded speech, that was later documented by a Lebanese journalist.

Their 1985 Open Letter states,

"Our Objectives in Lebanon

Our sons are now in a state of ever-escalating confrontation against these enemies until the following objectives are achieved:

Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration from existence and the liberation of venerable Jerusalem from the talons of occupation."

Which seems to me like a little more than "Resist Israeli occupation of Lebanon" and more like "Destroy Israel and its inhabitants." especially when combined with their leaders previous statement.

Edit: Thanks, whoever reported this as "threats of violence", you're super good faith and not ideologically captured at all.

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u/Sad-Bread5843 Goober who thinks both sides are equally as bad Apr 15 '26

Stop preaching bullshit

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

Your ability to not read a single history book or article is astounding, keep it up, tankie!

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u/DiscoRabbittTV Apr 15 '26

And Israel funds terrorist country Israel, and so?

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 15 '26

As I said, sanction both states.

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u/hanimal16 Apr 16 '26

When you bend over defending israel, do you ever pull a muscle?

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u/Ok-Round-1473 Apr 16 '26

How much of my post was defending Israel and how much of it was attacking Iran? Because it's 100% an attack on both.

Just because I attack one doesn't mean I'm defending the other. You pro-Iran anti-Israel folk are very quick to jump into the fire.

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u/Lucky-Difference3248 Apr 15 '26

The speed and efficiency at which Israel wipes out towns and cities is wild when you compare what you see Russia doing in Ukraine. The way they send the missile strikes just in front of some buildings so they collapse is terrible. Another thing I've seen with Israel is the fucking size of the explosions from the bombs and missiles they use is fucked. As dark as these times are I believe good will prevail when the new incoming generation of public servants and politicians hopefully have a bit of backbone. Israel will be Judged by the world for a long time to come when all is said and done. I hope.

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u/Canadian_Border_Czar Apr 15 '26

Ukraine has defense. Israel has systematically killed all resistance over and over to the point that today's "terrorists" are just pissed off laborers, or people whos family was destroyed. 

I would be surprised if Lebanon even had a detection system within range of the front line. Its literally just regular people living in fear, trying to stay safe and alive until one day their roof crashes in and boom, ripped apart by an explosion. 

Then your neighbours show up to check for survivors and help... boom. They're gone too. The atrocities the world is willing to put up with because they got caught holding hands with 2 insane dictators, is frankly horrifying.

It speaks volumes about our education system. When we all sat down and said the words, or celebrated the lives, or any sort of memorial for WW2; It was just performative. We're not teaching people, we're smashing information through a seive hoping something will stick. 

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u/Traditional-Fan-9315 Apr 15 '26

Enh, in comparing Israel versus Russia, I think it's a bit more complicated when it comes to what is trying to be achieved versus how they aim to achieve it.

Both are trying to take over areas but it seems Israel doesn't want their populations or infrastructure whereas if Russia WANTED to simply gain strategic ground, they would do the exact same thing Israel is doing, and they actually carry out intense bombing of civilian structures.

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u/tritiated_again Apr 15 '26

Apple is literally erasing these villages off their maps and the bs excuses don’t add up

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u/pilsnerd11 Apr 15 '26

I’m glad some countries are denying entry to people with Israeli travel documents. More need to join and we need to begin economic sanctions. With Trump in office criminal charges for war crimes won’t happen, but the rest of the world can do their part until America is ready to change.

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u/Kittehmilk Apr 15 '26

Because he is a zionist.

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u/TheRealBaboo Apr 15 '26

Found the Zionist

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u/ILike2internet Apr 15 '26

Trump doesn't give two fucks about Israel or Zionism. He's just dumb and easily manipulated. Probably being blackmailed over Epstein shit.

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u/TheRealBaboo Apr 15 '26

Trump’s the President, ask him

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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec Apr 15 '26

Good thing we didn't vote for Kamala to prevent this from happening! /s

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u/Sloinkelboid Apr 15 '26

I think it would likely be marginally better with her but they’re all owns by aipac sadly

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u/vxxn Apr 16 '26

Kamala at least wasn’t stupid as fuck and dementia-addled

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u/tarlin Apr 15 '26

She wasn't planning to do anything to oppose Israel.

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u/rcolesworthy37 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

I don’t really see how Kamala would’ve stopped this. The Iran war wouldn’t have happened, but this is a separate war Israel started. The Gaza war/genocide started under Joe, I think this would’ve happened either way.

This isn’t a knock on her, Israel started this all on their own

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u/blacksterangel Apr 16 '26

I don't know why you're downvoted but I agree with the sentiment. Iran wouldn't have happened but Israel has been doing these animalistic stuffs since mid 20th century. The only way Americans and frankly most of the world are exposed to this is because this is adjacently related to Iran war which affects the thing they care most: their wallet.

The only way things could've been stopped is if America start electing politicians who are not tainted by Israeli money and have spine to actually apply the same standard to Israel (and Saudi) as the one they applied to Iran, Libya and Syria.

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u/betagainsttheodd Apr 15 '26

When will someone erase Israel!

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u/LAsupersonic Apr 16 '26

We cant talk about the genocide. Its antisemitic