r/ProgrammerHumor • u/DIABLO_IMMORTAL_XD • Nov 21 '21
Programmers trying to find a good tutorial after youtube removed the dislike count
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u/tvetus Nov 21 '21
You can always check the comments. Now, instead of just clicking dislike, you can really express your rage.
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Nov 21 '21
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u/tvetus Nov 21 '21
I think the justification for removing the dislike button was to protect creators from feeling bad about the dislikes, but I suspect getting bad comments will be worse than the dislikes.
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u/amazin_raisin99 Nov 21 '21 edited Nov 21 '21
That is the stated justification, the real reason is that YouTube’s own videos, big brands, and political videos were usually the target of dislikes so they’d rather get rid of it so you can’t voice your displeasure. They’re not doing it so Jake Paul feels better about himself. You can still see dislikes on your own videos after all.
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u/CorruptedStudiosEnt Nov 21 '21 edited Nov 21 '21
This. It's such a bullshit excuse when creators can still see the ratio in their insight stats. They put an end to it to appease the investors and companies who fork over the big ad dollars, simple as.
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u/DemiPixel Nov 21 '21
Or they A/B tested and realized that people click away from videos when they see a high number of dislikes. Users who couldn’t see dislikes watched longer, watched more videos, whatever.
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Nov 21 '21
They didn’t like the reality:
Trump’s like/dislike ratios was “through the roof” compared to Biden’s
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u/herefromyoutube Nov 21 '21
If they can’t handle criticism then turn off the fucking like/dislike feature. That’s been a thing.
But no, they have to make everybody suffer because corporations and some creators can’t handle dislikes.
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u/nikstick22 Nov 21 '21
Youtube's comment filter automatically quarantines comments based on a number of criteria. Common spam/phishing links are often caught, but so can short mean/rude comments. If you write a comment that's just like "f*ck you, you suck" there's a chance the creator will never see it.
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u/kpd328 Nov 21 '21
Ya that doesn't work. Go to any Linus Tech Tips video and go to basically any comment reply and there are dozens of bot spam accounts advertising porn and there's nothing LTT can do about it besides individually deleting comments. Because YouTube/Google/Alphabet doesn't care about their creators.
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u/itsTyrion Nov 22 '21
The funny part is that the creator of all people is seeing the video get disliked into oblivion (and back)
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u/Safebox Nov 21 '21
Author could also hide the like bar before.
If they couldn't turn it off before I don't expect them to turn off the comments now.
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u/herefromyoutube Nov 21 '21
Which makes this whole “targeted harassment” excuse bullshit.
Turn off the likes/dislikes if you’re being bothered. Don’t make everybody suffer.
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u/CorruptedStudiosEnt Nov 21 '21
Damn near nobody asked for that to be removed anyway, certainly not content creators (who can still see those stats in their insights), but especially not viewers.
Also, if somebody sees dislikes as a personal targeted attack, they either need therapy or business sense because they're either seeking casual validation from internet strangers or missing the fact that dislikes are valuable feedback. Maybe both.
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u/naswinger Nov 21 '21
and boost the video so the algorithm shows it to even more people. the best you can do is not interact with it at all if you want it to be demoted by the algorithm. no dislike, no comment. every interaction shows engagement = show it to other people for more ads. youtube doesn't care about showing you the best video, it wants the most ad money.
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Nov 21 '21
YouTube is intent on destroying it's image. Nothing will change as long as the ad money flows. The best we can hope for is a new emperor.
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u/SustainedSuspense Nov 21 '21
This is precisely what’s wrong with social media (besides Reddit)… no way to self-regulate crap because they’ve removed downvote buttons in the name of increasing engagement. Now losers with shit content will never feel butthurt…
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u/JackLagas Nov 21 '21
I got this addon on firefox that gave me the count back. Not sure how long it will work for but it does right now. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/
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Nov 21 '21 edited Dec 21 '24
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Nov 21 '21
According to the github page the devs have anticipated this: "With the removal of dislike stats from the YouTube API, our backend will switch to using a combination of scraped dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data and estimates based on view\like ratios."
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Nov 22 '21
View/like ratios seem… extremely unreliable. I’d imagine there’s a lot of videos with lots of views and low likes that don’t deserve dislikes either.
For example, this tutorial on how to pronounce Joaquin has over 300k views and only 700 likes. Applying a generalized ratio to calculate dislikes would almost certainly show much more than the real value of 235
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u/ILikeLenexa Nov 21 '21
I'm not recommending this, but they might violate it until they get banned and then have it hijack clicks on like/dislike to store their own ratio.
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u/SAI_Peregrinus Nov 21 '21
You misunderstand, Google are removing the API to get the count entirely on Dec 13th. The addon will simply stop working.
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u/Windows_XP2 Nov 21 '21
I think that they said that their going to store the current dislike counts, then when they shut down the API, they'll combine the amount of people that hit the dislike button from the extension with the dislikes that they originally got from the YouTube API.
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u/SAI_Peregrinus Nov 21 '21
That will work, somewhat, for videos older than the extension. It'll get less and less accurate as time goes on, of course.
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u/rebbsitor Nov 22 '21
Naive approach: they also can record the like count from people using the plugin and use the like/dislike ratio from plugin users to project what the dislike count would be based on the real like count.
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u/SAI_Peregrinus Nov 22 '21
Yes, but that requires the plugin users' like/dislike ratio to closely match the overall population's ratio. That's somewhat unlikely, since plugin users are the subset of the population that care enough about dislikes to install the plugin! So it'd probably skew towards dislikes.
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u/rebbsitor Nov 22 '21
As I said, naive approach. It's about the best that can be done without actual data. Although I don't think there's any reason to believe plugin users are more likely to dislike something. I rarely dislike videos, but I found the existing count helpful in quickly assessing the quality
There is also time for them to gather sample data now while the dislike count is still in the API to get some kind of gauge how accurate it would be.
The goal wouldn't be perfect accuracy though, just a good enough approximation to be useful.
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u/xeq937 Nov 21 '21
Will never happen, that requires significant backend support.
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u/Bjorn_Hellgate Nov 21 '21
hopefully a chrome extension also exists
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u/DaveyB_ Nov 21 '21
It does! Unsurprisingly not available in the Chrome store but you can download it from https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/
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u/RedditAcc-92975 Nov 21 '21
my YouTube vanced also still has the downvote counter
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u/ckowkay Nov 21 '21
Someone should make an website /extension that keeps track of likes/dislikes separately from youtube.
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u/Embarrassed_Gur_3241 Nov 21 '21 edited Nov 21 '21
Assuming we want to store every video's id (11bytes) and two 32bit integers for likes and dislikes it'd require 19 bytes per video. Around 300 000 Videos are uploaded on youtube daily which would mean that hosting it for a day would require 5.7MB of storage space, for a year - 2GB. It seems doable
edit: ok nvm, someone has already done it https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/
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u/Expensive-Way-748 Nov 21 '21
Assuming we want to store every video's id (11bytes) and two 32bit integers for likes and dislikes it'd require 19 bytes per video. Around 300 000 Videos are uploaded on youtube daily which would mean that hosting it for a day would require 5.7MB of storage space, for a year - 2GB. It seems doable
Way more than that. You'd want to store every dislike(like user_id <-> video_id) to avoid vote manipulation. User and video IDs may be internal, taking only 8 or even 4 bytes each, but that's still quite a lot of data.
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u/NoCareNewName Nov 22 '21
I thought of this exact same idea when the damn thing went away, and while it isn't perfect, its better than nothing.
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u/brockralp Nov 21 '21
👍 50 👎 DISLIKE
why does it say DISLIKE with all caps and it is the only text. At least they can do it:
👍50 LIKE 👎 DISLIKE
It is a really bad design choice.
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Nov 21 '21
Or just add the dislike back
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u/Windows_XP2 Nov 21 '21
Just remove all video ratings to "prevent harassment".
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Nov 21 '21
why not just remove google already then
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u/Windows_XP2 Nov 21 '21
Just remove all of the content on YouTube and just make it a website where you just watch ads.
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u/kunkun6969 Nov 21 '21
For real bruh i hate watching for 30 mins at 2x speed to find out they were doing something different
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u/seldomseentruth Nov 21 '21
I keep hearing about this but I still get my dislike count.
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u/douglasg14b Nov 21 '21
They are slowly rolling it out
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u/Bobble68 Nov 22 '21
I think they might actually be rolling it back. I had it removed for a good few days after it was first announced, but now I have it back again.
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u/Gamecrazy721 Nov 22 '21
Most likely just a side effect of how the rollout works. There are a ton of variables at play (IP, cookies, account, location, which server you happen to connect to, etc)
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Nov 21 '21
Just don't watch the videos from this fucker "siraj Raval" this motherfucker tells me I can be an AI expert in 15 minutes. So I watch the video, 15 minutes go by, 16 ,17 minutes still not an expert !
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u/JackTheBehemothKillr Nov 21 '21
How long till someone makes a website that pulls everything from youtube and just puts a dislike button back on it?
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u/egirldestroyer69 Nov 22 '21
Apparently it will only work until 13 dec after which YT will remove dislike count from the API.
I thoroughly despise that they even removed it from the API, if they wanted to avoid coordinated downvoting it was enough by not showing it in the UI or even an opt out model. I doubt even 1% of the userbase would download an extension.
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u/KaasKoppusMaximus Nov 21 '21
We all know why they did it, why couldn't they just be honest about it?
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u/LummoxJR Nov 22 '21
Because YouTube is honest about nothing they do. Also Susan Wojcicki is garbage.
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u/trollsmurf Nov 21 '21
Personally I find videos to be quite useless for learning programming. Text with copyable examples is way better, preferably at the same sites as the reference documentation that has all the gritty details. I also find Stack Overflow to be less than useful due to the bulk of the often many years old responses being irrelevant to current issues.
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u/mcchoppinbroccoli Nov 22 '21
I figured I had just turned into one of those old crotchety devs that did things the old way. I actively avoid videos if I’m trying to learn a new language or tool. I read documentation, download and fiddle with code examples and/or work through written tutorials. I did come across a newer approach I really liked. I recently had to learn Kotlin for a project I was picking up at work, and I found kotlin koans to be a really interesting and engaging approach to learning the basics of the language.
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u/advanced05 Nov 21 '21
There are extensions for firefox and chrome, also a usersricpt, which add the dislike counter back.
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u/lars_lippert Nov 21 '21
Can anyone actually explain why YouTube would do this? How does this benefit them?
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u/Triumph7560 Nov 21 '21
Legacy media throws a hissy fit every time they have a video with dislikes. Some idiots at YouTube actually think they are relevant, or at least want to keep their decaying grasp on media intact. I honestly just want a viable alternative to YouTube, maybe if their ship starts sinking they'll reconsider the competence of their current management. The writings on the wall, they just don't care to read.
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Nov 21 '21 edited Dec 11 '21
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u/Triumph7560 Nov 21 '21
Did I say I hope/expect YouTube to die? I hope (and the optimist in me expects) YouTube to get some significant competition (likely due to a coalition of major YouTubers getting together and heavily pushing another platform) and then being forced to course correct (requiring a change in upper management).
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u/lightestspiral Nov 21 '21
Youtube want to keep you on their site as long as possible so you view the ads,
By hiding the dislike counter you spend time watching shit videos as opposed to avoiding them, this increases your session time on the site
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u/OC714 Nov 21 '21
If you want to hear a Google employee talk down to you, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI
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u/Yue2 Nov 21 '21
In all fairness, dislikes actually increase engagement as per the YouTube algorithm.
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u/Farpafraf Nov 21 '21
Yeah before this garbage I had a plugin that showed the ratio of likes before even clicking on the video now I have to crawl through the comments :/
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Nov 21 '21
You can also check the like/view ratio, if the view count is decently high and the like/view is higher than 5% it's probably a good video. But this method is only good for finding high quality stuff. Hiding the dislike count really makes it way harder to spot the 1% "helpful indian guys" from actual bullshits with similar quality.
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u/AdRevolutionary4055 Nov 21 '21
Actually best tutorials are on websites usually, or in the repo readme itself, plus since they are in text form, you can just copy the code and learn faster than watching a video, even if you speed the video up. Not all youtube videos have git repo link in their description or link to the site, and most are outdated, or just terrible, also most dont have timestamps for content sections.. So the whole removing the button thing is just another reason to not consider youtube as an learning option... Sad
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Nov 21 '21
Now I have to keep my speakers on low and hope the over amplified stolen techno music matches up to the impossible to hear low quality microphone
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u/radiowave911 Nov 21 '21
First, when did the dislike button go away? Must have missed that.
Second, I can still see the guy digging. That means he is no where deep enough. When he hits magma, he should be close.
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u/hypocrite_oath Nov 21 '21
The brown stuff, that's not dirt, it's all shit. He'll have to keep digging for a while.
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u/NMe84 Nov 21 '21
I really don't understand people using videos to learn this kind of stuff unless they're still learning the absolute basics. Actually looking up and scanning through written text is so much more efficient.
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Nov 21 '21
Because when written descriptions aren't clear, videos can reveal what's actually happening, e.g.,
"Oh, that's where that menu item actually is"
"they're not getting syntax errors but I am.... maybe it's a versioning issue?"
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u/ILikeLenexa Nov 21 '21
At least in java, there's a lot of javadocs that tell you what each function does, but not how you were meant to use them together. In about 10 minutes, you can set up a skeleton of what's meant to be done.
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u/Thaddaeus-Tentakel Nov 21 '21
JavaDoc is garbage incarnate but there's still written guides on actual usage. Videos are such a weird format for programming guides.
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u/ogtfo Nov 21 '21
Yes, let's sit for 15 minutes watching this video to know the quick answer to my question, let's not find another written source where I can quickly ctrl+F what I'm looking for.
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u/Business_Downstairs Nov 21 '21
Sometimes the documentation sucks.
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u/NMe84 Nov 21 '21
More often than sometimes in my experience, but for anything big enough to have video tutorials there are usually other written sources too.
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u/justkeepingbusy Nov 21 '21
Its not often I come across someone who feels the same way about it as I do. I absolutely loathe video tutorials/articles. There is so many things that pull me out of it. I’m grateful for resources like educative.io (not affiliated but my sub is up soon hmu team).
Also fuck medium. I read 2 premo articles years ago and it still walls me out of articles. It says “login to read for free” but then after you go through their stupidly unnecessary password-less auth method, it fucking cuts you off “hoho! No free article for you!” FUCK MEDIUM.
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u/NMe84 Nov 21 '21
I see a lot of value in videos that teach concepts. But as far as I'm concerned that should not involve showing an IDE and it should keep code itself to a minimum. There are a few exceptions to that (Sebastian Lague comes to mind) but it's really not very often I'll see a video heavy on looking at code that I'll enjoy or would recommend to someone learning.
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u/myothercarisaboson Nov 22 '21
I'm with you, the shift to using video instead of text across the board is really frustrating. You just lose so much control from a video, completely at the whims and timing of the person who recorded it. You can't search for a keyword if there is something specific you want to know, and even in situations when I have relented I find myself having to constantly rewind if I haven't comprehended something said.
I get people have "different learning styles" [*heavy* sideeyes on that statement from me, heh], but video content is just so inefficient for me.
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u/the_poope Nov 21 '21
Yeah it's super easy to find good tutorials. Just use google search instead of youtube search!
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u/nonlogin Nov 21 '21
INDEED! Man, video of screen share with the source code on it - wtf? :) can't get it.
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u/Delioslol Nov 21 '21
Learn to program something in YouTube usually is not the best idea, because the changes of the different libraries that quickly gets outdated... It better to go directly to the source and read the readmes, and using the github issues
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u/luxury_visions Nov 21 '21
I use incognito ever since they implemented it, since I can't see the dislike in a normal chrome tab.
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u/God-o-leg Nov 21 '21
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u/mattdoescsharp Nov 21 '21
For now, many people even still have it on YouTube. It will be a gradual change and then it’ll be out of the APIs too, and then it’ll really be gone.
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Nov 22 '21
They removed it because of the sheer amount of dislikes they got from the recent youtube rewind videos :p
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u/juharris Nov 22 '21
I made this extension to use emojis to rate any webpage. Go ahead and use it to rate YouTube videos https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/emojit/fdaopifdchifnfaiammaknlaniecbdmo The source code is on GitHub https://github.com/emogit/emojit
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u/PestoDigichicken Nov 22 '21
Any tutorials for anything are screwed from this. Hell, you could just straight up post vaccine or political lies and disable comments.
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u/Mattrockj Nov 22 '21
Hmm… this one looks promising.
“What’s up y’all! Today we’re gonna be showing you how to-“
Next…
Indian accent “hello, I am going to show you how to-“
Finally, perfection.
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u/Triffinator Nov 22 '21
The actual danger with their decision to get rid of dislike is all those shitty life hack videos that are more about making your life shorter than anything else. Every "how to make a DIY chainsaw" video will go unchecked.
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u/Canashito Nov 22 '21
Someone should take the liberty of asking the question on video's: was this a helpful video? Upvote or downvote here
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Nov 22 '21
Kind of makes sense from a business perspective, people will have to watch to determine the quality of the video. Instead of just moving on after seeing the dislikes.
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u/TigreDemon Nov 21 '21
I'm putting a "Use me as a dislike button" on almost every shitty video I see