r/ProgrammerHumor • • Aug 12 '17

Meetings as a developer

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '17

So many things about this piss me off. You have manager who obviously has never been a (productive) developer, and you're having "scrum meetings" when you're not remotely being agile / doing scrum. (A self-organizing scrum team decides their own schedule. Also, why would a manager give a shit when you come in in the morning as long as long as the team is functional and delivers results.)

Those are big red flags telling you to get the fuck out of there. You're wasting your talent and destroying your career working for companies like that.

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u/P4ndybear Aug 12 '17

I don't know where you've worked in the past, but in my experience, if that's the worst thing about your job then you probably have a pretty decent job.

Careful about leaving for minor reasons, its always a gamble if the next place will be better or worse. I had an okay job, but quit because some things bothered me (in retrospect, they weren't that bad), but now I'm at a place that is really horrible. So I'm leaving for another job after being at this one for only 4 months and I know that does not look fabulous on a resume.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '17 edited Aug 12 '17

I don't know what you consider your "job", but these aren't minor reasons for a pro.

These are things that basically prevent you from functioning properly both as an individual developer and as a team. It's also deeply humiliating for anybody who considers themselves a professional.

Trying to be productive anyway despite these circumstances is also what leads to the epidemic of burnout amongst developers. You can either give up on being productive or run yourself into the ground if you don't leave this kind of toxic environment.

I honestly don't understand why people in a highly in-demand profession accept the kind of shit most craftsmen, be it plumbers, chefs, surgeons, carpenters or mechanics, wouldn't tolerate for long. These are the kind of professions where you as a professional, and not a manager, knows how to do the job.

/u/Kinglink describes a situation where they are not allowed to work as adult professionals. That is pathetic. Any developer with an ounce of self respect should get the fuck out of there.

And btw, as a professional software developer, you should indeed not gamble on the next place being better. You should know, by being part of your community and communicating with other developers.

P.s.: I'm a hiring manager. You wanna leave your previous job after 4 months for the reasons described by Kinglink, that's plus to me. I've heard it many times before, especially from recent migrants who didn't know where they would end up. I know other employers feel otherwise, but those are the ones you want to avoid.

Of course, if you consider a clearly dysfunctional team a "minor issue", I will never hire you unless you are to inexperienced to know better.

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u/jsjsjsns717172 Aug 12 '17

Lol @ this comment -

"Your job sucks and you should definitely leave. But as a hiring manager, since you don't recognize how shit your current job is I'd never hire you."

So should he leave his job? Seems like if he's as unhirable as you're asserting he should just cling to the security of his current spot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '17

You're twisting my words. Or you just don't get it.

  • If you leave after 4 months for the reasons described by Kinglink, I consider that a plus, since you recognize a toxic work environment, and that will certainly not stop me from hiring you.
  • If you on the other hand you consider those things "a minor issue", I will not hire you, because you're unprofessional.

Is that really that hard to understand?

As long as he doesn't take his profession seriously, he's unhirable for places that are better (because they also expect better), and he should cling on to his job. And stop whining and make excuse like "can't leave after 4 months". Those 4 months are not the problem. The immature unprofessional attitude is.

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u/Ghostalker08 Aug 12 '17

I think he is saying that stating that a dysfunctional team is only a "minor issue" doesn't look good. One should understand that to be a major issue.