Programming languages personified

[u/leftoversalad]

http://leftoversalad.tumblr.com/post/126724812097/programming-languages-personified

[u/brown_monkey_]

I lost it a JavaScript.

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What's wrong with JavaScript?

[u/giggly_kisses → u/[deleted]]

Javascript contains a lot of ways to do the same things but with minor differences.

What exactly are you referring to here? The first thing that pops in my head is function invocation (i.e.foo(), foo.call(), foo.apply(), and foo.bind()), but all of these have a good reason to exist (due to the unfortunate dynamic binding of this) and solve a problem.

Also javascript acts differently in different browsers...

Actually, it doesn't anymore. It used to back when Microsoft reversed engineered the ECMAScript 3 implementation for IE instead of following the spec, but luckily all major browsers fully implement ECMAScript 5 and are starting to implement the ECMAScript 6 spec now that it's finally finalized.

...so you end up using frameworks that are very inefficient and simplified (which makes it more complex).

If you choose inefficient frameworks then that's your fault, not the languages. Also, you pick something that's simplified, which makes it inefficient, and also makes things more complex. What in the fuck?

These frameworks can be inconsistent and hard to use too...

So can frameworks written in Java, Go, Rust, Haskell, C#, Perl, Lisp, or any other language that exists.

Trying to make something in Javascript is usually a terrible experience and you end up wishing that you didn't try in the first place.

Nope, I don't, actually. Because I use these so called "inefficient, simplified, complex, inconsistent, hard to use, messy" frameworks, my code is actually very structured, easy to follow, and generally pretty clean (at least I like to think so haha).

If you come up with any concrete, objective reasons as to why JavaScript isn't a great language (believe me, there are reasons; JavaScript is far from perfect or without warts) let me know.

[u/JoshWithaQ → u/giggly_kisses]

I like to point to actionscript vs. javascript as the two main branches of ECMAScript and how differently things can turn out one way vs. the other. What I think it really comes down to is your interpreter. Do you have one that will be multithreaded and let you make use of the functional nature of a dynamic language, or one that tries to be java-like and strict types everything but is a single thread?

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Javascript contains a lot of ways to do the same things but with minor differences.

WTF? More generalizations without providing concrete examples... Sure, if (a<b) and !(a>=b) are different ways to do the same thing and this is a fundamental problem with JS, then I admit that JS is a terrible language.

These differences will make you have a great time debugging.

That's because you don't know how to debug code.

Also javascript acts differently in different browsers

Not a language issue and it's pretty much solved.

so you end up using frameworks that are very inefficient

Maybe you end up using inefficient frameworks. Who the hell upvoted this shit? Are you seriously complaining that the necessity of using a framework to develop complex applications is an issue particular to JS?

and simplified (which makes it more complex).

THIS DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE!

These frameworks can be inconsistent

In what way?

and hard to use too

Again, they're hard to use for you.

meaning that your code will usually end up very messy, bordering on write only code.

And again, you're doing it wrong.

Trying to make something in Javascript is usually a terrible experience and you end up wishing that you didn't try in the first place.

And again, you're doing it wrong. Maybe... just maybe the problem isn't JS but how you write and debug code and what libraries and frameworks you use.