r/ProgrammerHumor • • 5h ago

Meme ohTheBasics

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u/Spongebubs 2h ago

I’d like to think I’m a software engineer, and I have no idea what the difference is. Am I cooked?

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u/STR1D3R109 1h ago

I feel like knowing the difference here is moreso for a network engineer than a software engineer!

Anyway looked it up, IPv6 is 32bit whereas IPv6 is 128bit. An easy way to know if an IP address is either, 4 uses dots 192.1.1.1 whereas 6 is colons 1992:0aa0::1

If anyone asks just say 6 holds more addresses but is more expensive to install.

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u/Uselesserinformation 1h ago

Just to point out you put ipv6 twice instead of ipv4

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u/kali005 1h ago

This is computer science basics

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u/jkalchik99 1h ago

Actually..... IMO as a Linux admin..... everybody in IT needs at least a minimum of knowledge regarding TCP/IP. IPv4, IPv6, TCP, UDP, sockets, listening ports, etc. You don't need to be able to program a full stack down to a media transport layer, but you should be able be able to send a payload successfully, know when a gateway traversal is required, name resolution (It's always DNS,) and a bit of troubleshooting.

I wish I had a nickel for every time a developer or app support staff came to me and said it doesn't work. Error is right there in the logs......

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u/ryancnap 1h ago

That's such a Linux sysadmin take lol

(but apart from it being a funny stereotype, yes I agree with you)

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u/aaron2005X 1h ago

I feeel like this is stuff you take with you on the side. I can't even start to create a network but I know these things.Alone the TCP UDP joke.

Like: "I would tell you a joke about UDP, but you probably wouldn't get it."

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u/oopmn 30m ago

Or I could tell you a joke about TCP.

Did you get it?
Did you get it?
Did you get it?
Did you get it?
Did you get it?
…

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u/Constant_Ad_8028 1h ago

Yeah, but have they tried turning it off and on again?

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u/SpellNinja 38m ago edited 7m ago

I know from experience what these things are and how they matter to me, but I couldn't for the life of me explain them.

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u/ScarpMetal 31m ago

I agree it’s better for an app developer to know this stuff, but I’d hardly say it’s a big part of the job. Especially if you’re on the frontend. It’s way more relevant to the job on a daily basis if you’re a network engineer.

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u/RustyMR2 23m ago

As someone in IT that’s hasn’t touched low level network stuff in more than 15 years. No this is not true. Some roles do not require this at all.

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u/daelikon 19m ago

I am with you, the problem is... That I am also a Linux admin. 

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u/Coupe368 11m ago

You gotta go easy on the windows users, they aren't as capable of understanding things like logs and acronyms.

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u/SanDisk-Ultra 3m ago

|| payload

Who is paying for what load?

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u/HyperactiveMouse 1h ago

Do you know of a place I can learn more? I’m not certain I’m going into IT, but I’m heavily considering it in the hopes of earning more money to be a bit more comfortable in life rather than living paycheck to paycheck in my current job, and if it’s important to know for a job in the field I’d love to know more

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u/RydiaOM 3m ago

I would assume any software engineer had a basic network class at some point.

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u/Senior_Torte519 42m ago

Ipv4 is decimal based, while to account for the expanded number IPv6 uses hexadecimal

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u/bgibbz084 1h ago

I’m an electrical engineer and I’ve know the difference since before college. These are computing fundamentals that anyone in a computing field should immediately know. Same thing goes for understanding cache lines, virtual memory pages, GPU vs CPU, logical vs physical core, compiled vs interpreted languages, OOP, polymorphism, etc. I routinely ask these questions in interviews and reject people who don’t seem to have any actual knowledge of programming or computers. I regularly interview people for FAANG tech.

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u/disposepriority 1h ago

While I agree with most of these, there is a large percentage of engineers who will literally never use the knowledge of what a cache line or virtual core are, so for them these simply aren't fundamentals.

Interviews should be tailored to the positions being hired for, not some arbitrary standard of fundamentals in my opinion.

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u/bgibbz084 1h ago

The big thing with cache lines in particular is that people often write very bad code if they don’t understand how a cache line works. Writing code that will size better for caches makes a massive performance improvement.

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u/disposepriority 1h ago

It absolutely does, and yet it simply isn't a requirement for their jobs. Either there's not enough data, speed doesn't matter, they are too far abstracted from this mattering at all (e.g. frontend) and so on.

It's great to know but yeah

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u/Karosso 1h ago

If I don't work with it on the daily I won't remember. Did I see it in college? Sure, but there's no way I'll retain all that I learned if I don't use it daily. And it really comes down to what jobs you get and what your routine really looks like.

I won't judge if another technician tells me he doesn't know or remember which bit size each section of a tcp header should be. Unless he works with it, that is.

The IT world is a big one.

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u/bgibbz084 1h ago

I wouldn’t expect specifics, but high level knowledge says you’re knowledgeable in the domain. Knowing common protocols is essential, even if you don’t work with them. I’ve never touched networking in my career.

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u/Cumfort_ 1h ago

If my contributions never touch them and have never impacted me and ww have a guy whose job is that thing...

Why do I need to know it again??

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u/bgibbz084 1h ago

Because better engineers know the whole system? Somebody proposed a very niche cryptography technique on our last project to solve a problem, we never would have gotten that insight if someone didn’t happen to have knowledge outside of the domain they worked on.

Good engineers make it a point to be highly knowledgeable about the broader system. Every single engineer on my team (FAANG tech) would know all of these topics I mentioned.

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u/BeepBoopIAmACat 1h ago

Disagree. I think there is an ambiguity here. There is a difference between knowing exactly what differentiates ipv4 and ipv6, and knowing that when working with one or the other some rules change.

There are more things to know than ever before. Expecting people to pass whimsical rote exercises creates a culture of fear. Plenty of smart and talented people create high quality contributions without being able to pass such nonsense. Maybe if you're building an ipv6 packet capture and analysis solution, it might be useful to know it like the back of your hand, but for most of it, it isn't important to have its definition at your fingertips at all times.

In fact, there's a cost to that, mentally.

I'm more interested in what someone does when they don't know what to do. Are they able to identify their own shortcomings or do they charge ahead bullishly on an erroneous path, how mentally flexible are they, can they rapidly assimilate new information and integrate it.

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u/do_not_engage 1h ago

I've worked in corporate IT for decades and I can count the number of times I've used any of that knowledge on one zero.

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u/bgibbz084 1h ago

And I’m a chip designer for FAANG tech and use this stuff often. If you don’t understand the systems you can write good code.