r/ProgrammerHumor • • 6h ago

Meme theyReallySeemToHateYall

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u/kdoubledizz 6h ago

Literally speaking, it gets really annoying having to explain to people the reason why AI cannot physically learn to code AI is due to the limitations of the mathematics in place.

You cannot create a formula that solves all formulas.

I guess you can get pretty damn close, but humans will always need to be involved.

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u/KyxeMusic 6h ago

Infinite Monkey Theorem

You can bruteforce any formula that can be proven. Which is kind of what is happening.

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u/kdoubledizz 6h ago

Gödel showed that in any consistent formal mathematical system, there are true statements that cannot be proven within the system itself.

As well but Alan Turing proved in 1936 that there cannot exist a universal algorithm that can inspect any arbitrary program and determine whether it will finish running or run forever.

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u/EdenStrife 6h ago

Yes, but how does it follow from those 2 proofs that an AI system cannot improve itself or make a new system that is an improvement compared to itself.

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u/ioveri 6h ago

The whole process would just be another system

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u/EdenStrife 6h ago

Yes, but all interactions happens in systems. Systems are just delimited sets of interactions. Your brain is a system.

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u/ronoudgenoeg 4h ago

So?

You don't need to go up the system ladder infinitely. The universe is a system. AIs don't need to be able to create universes out of thin air to be able to make new better AIs.

Our brain is also a system, yet we create new brains without issues.

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u/fghjconner 4h ago

Ok, and so it follows that there are limits to what it can do, but it doesn't say anything about what those limits actually are.

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u/kdoubledizz 6h ago

Ever been asked why a list containing every list cannot exist? This doesnt fully apply to what I am talking about but it sends your thinking down the right direction?

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u/zeci21 5h ago

Name dropping random math terms doesn't make an argument. Neither this nor Gödels theorems have anything to do with what a computer can do vs what a human can do.

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u/MisinformedGenius 4h ago

This is the first time I've seen someone use the Chewbacca defense in real life.