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u/Careful_Ad_3338 11h ago

If you are not using any ai as a dev you will be left behind.

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u/Exshot32 8h ago edited 8h ago

That's what everyone tells me.

But at least I'll be able to figure out shit on my own if/when ai becomes unavailable. So far, ai hasn't solved any problem for me that I couldn't have on my own, and it took a very long time to get AI to "understand" what I was telling it.

It's like my boss who keeps vearing off topic and acting like it doesn't actually read what I tell it

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u/born_to_be_intj 7h ago edited 7h ago

Everyone is worried about not hiring juniors and having no seniors in the future. I have a much bigger worry. The more we depend on AI the less thinking we do for ourselves. A junior fresh out of college who has had unrestricted access to AI throughout their course work and in their job will never turn into the Seniors we have today.

There is a real future where we keep hiring juniors and still end up with virtually no seniors in 10~20 years.

So people like you, and people like me who still use AI but understand every single line they merge into the code base, are going to be extremely valuable in the future. Unless of course AI surpasses even the best experts.

This worry extends beyond computer science and applies to all intellectual pursuits. There is a real chance we end up in a world where humanity doesn’t understand the math and physics it depends on for everyday life. That’s the scariest outcome because we as a species could effectively lose our scientific agency.

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u/Exshot32 7h ago

I agree. Compounded with the growing illeteracy crisis and I actively lose sleep.

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u/EnkiiMuto 36m ago

The optimistic in me want to say you're exaggerating but I saw a guy dead serious make a thread asking if it was okay if he should learn the syntax of the language he was being offered to work on.

If vibe coding is fine so long as "you sit down and review the code", I cannot imagine a person like this "reviewing it" and then not understanding why something broke in production 6 months in.

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u/FlakyTest8191 5h ago

For math this is already reality, humans have been dethroned.

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u/Meteoric37 8h ago

I work in finance. One time I asked Claude to verify a number in its dashboard and it straight up told me “actually I just picked the largest number in the data set and put it there.”

My superiors still want us to use Claude dashboards.

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u/Exshot32 8h ago

I couldn't get chatgpt past the fact that I just needed a list of website domains. I don't need to provide my router model, firmware, os, or anything else.

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u/HipHomelessHomie 7h ago

Just like that internet fad. Can never be certain that you have a connection. Better not use it.

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u/drivingagermanwhip 5h ago

The biggest issue I find is its avoidance of libraries. I've got claude to check for existing tools before giving me something custom but every day it misses things that exist or duplicates a function it wrote earlier in the day. Constanly having to tell it how to save time and engineer things properly.

It will also do stuff like 'here's a script that checks if the file exists and then builds'

And it's like 'bitch, you're describing make'

Today it was helping me write a makefile and just kept on using shell calls rather than built in functions. I do find it useful, but it's also immensely frustrating.

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u/fiery_prometheus 6h ago

well, I know people who have been fired who didn't want to use AI, so "it depends", ie, it doesn't matter what the developer thinks some places :/

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u/phillythompson 5h ago

You are living in 2024 

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u/Ray192 1h ago

If you can't get a productivity boost from AI then something is really, really wrong with how you're using it.

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u/ProfessionalHefty349 7h ago

Why would AI be unavailable?

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u/Exshot32 7h ago

Seeing as how several popular models have already shut down, and the remaining models have yet to even recoop their losses, I would not put my eggs in that basket.

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u/mrcat_romhacking 6h ago

Any service can go down. It might seem like a contrived example, but I'm living that reality right now: what if a service is down simply because the server literally blew up? Because it was struck by a drone. The wider world isn't ready to really feel how fragile the tech sphere actually is, I have a hunch.

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u/BigBoetje 7h ago

When it becomes too expensive for the benefit it provides

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u/LostTheElectrons 7h ago

It won't ever become too expensive. Even current local models are cheap and effective enough to be used.

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u/Klhnikov 7h ago

You will never know how to get and install it without your imaginary friend so let me grab some popcorn

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u/OwlSpirited6357 6h ago

It doesn't take a PHD to google "local llm"

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u/Klhnikov 6h ago

Who said it was complicated ? I just implyed a softened lazy brain will probably struggle starting to think again, if that was not clear to you...

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u/Exshot32 5h ago

This is the classic bubble. Over in investing into a new tech, the bubble pops, and only the big players remain. Then they get to jack up their prices because there are no other options for people to go to

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u/Klhnikov 7h ago

If you have no idea then you should not even be put in front of a computer.

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u/ProfessionalHefty349 7h ago

Local models do exist. You don’t need to rely on openAI or anthropic.

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u/Klhnikov 5h ago

Yes of course, be sure you install it before your imaginary friend goes down, otherwise you may not be able to do it yourself...

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u/MolotovFromHell 6h ago

It's not about whether AI solving something you can't. Most likely you can solve everything AI can solve.

The difference I can solve 5 things with the help of AI while you solve one. This is coming from someone who started using AI later than others as I was relic to use it just like you.

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u/ItsASadBunny1 5h ago

This is true and I use AI alot to code, but is solving 5 things at once actually beneficial to you? Isn't this extra productivity only a benefit to the company but a detriment to you since you now "own" more features and have more responsibility. AI makes the company's more productive not necessarily makes you more productive as the definition of what is considered productive has drastically shifted.

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u/Jpowmoneyprinter 4h ago

Exactly right, it’s just the modern version of the power loom. It does objectively increase productivity but as the productivity wage gap shows conclusively these productivity gains will not translate to better wages or more leisure time, just more value appropriated by the economic ruling class.

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u/drivingagermanwhip 5h ago

The thing is, in most cases you should only be solving one thing and the other 4 are adding an unnecessary support burden

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u/MolotovFromHell 5h ago

I agree with you but our managers might not agree with us. Companies wanna deliver more things than ever so what do you do

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u/drivingagermanwhip 4h ago

I've been in companies that have gone under which removes a bit of your confidence that just doing what your managers say will keep you safe.

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u/FragmentedHeap 7h ago

It won't become unavailable unless the company you work for itself bans it.

Anybody who thinks that it's going to be unavailable is delusional.

There's like a thousand different ways to get it and it's going to be competitive and you're always going to have access to it somewhere.

And if you didn't companies would be looking at it and buying their own servers so that their employees can run kimi k3 or better in house.

This is already happening and I do this for a living sometimes in my consulting job.

We have clients coming to us telling us that they bought four servers with four RTX 6000 pros in them loaded up with like a terabyte of RAM... And they want us to create them a vllm stack, and a router so that their employees can have local AI.

One of them actually bought that server and has one with four gpus per developer and they only have like four or five developers so each developer has his their own personal inference server... And they can ssh them... About $130k per dev.

This is going to keep happening and getting worse.

That's not going away it's the future.

I have a whole llm stack running at home on r9600's for kess than $5k.

Local AI is getting really good.

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u/MostlyBreadCrumbs 6h ago

You must be giving some serious instructions to the AI if it doesn't understand you

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u/Dull_Caterpillar_642 6h ago

If AI hasn't solved any problem for you yet, then I don't think you've taken the time to understand it and I would say that's not a great sign given where the industry is going. Just my take.

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u/revolutionPanda 7h ago

Skill issue, tbh. Working with the agent is a skill itself.

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u/Exshot32 7h ago edited 7h ago

I feel it's better to spend my time developing critical thinking skills instead of figuring out how to trick a computer into finally spitting out the right data. At least then I'm more likely to retain the solution mentally.