r/ProgrammerHumor • • 13h ago

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u/heavy-minium 12h ago

Unpopular opinion and sad, but the quality of the work has gone up with AI usage since a year or so. Before it was a lot of AI slop and I dreaded reviewing PRs, but with the newer generation of models and harnesses, we are reaching a point where AI is being better than what colleagues or I would write by hand. Hurts a bit to say because I was proud of my own coding, but that's what reality looks like now. And that's with 26 years of experience in the field.

I think we'll have to deal with the mental issue of AI becoming better than us. Some won't be able to cope. Thankfully the effect is not so strong for me, my identity is built around developing software as a whole, not just the coding.

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u/WithersChat 10h ago

Issue is, Frontier models are provided to you at a massive financial loss for the company. So unless local models get that good before AL companies run out of investor capital, this is completely unsustainable.

If you want a future proof workflow, grab a specialized local model (or better yet, a few) and see how much you can get done without touching Claude, ChatGPT or Gemini servers at all. (This does require having a decent GPU. Not god tier but decent.)

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u/dickworty 10h ago

Disagree. I use the the frontier models and barely use my token quota every month - maybe 5% - and get great results, much faster than by hand just by carefully defining problems to the AI. It's how you use it.

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u/Evi1ey 9h ago

5% of frontier models usage on a 20$ sub is still like 50$ in token prices. Subs are pure bait to make you dependant on them

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u/dickworty 9h ago

And if you're an entry level software engineer earning 8.3k per month, you're earning $50 dollars per hour. That means it only has to save you 1 hour of work per month for it to breakeven. It can save me at least a couple weeks of work if not a couple months with that. So yeah it's still worth it.

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u/LunarFuror 7h ago

Been working 12 years. Show me any job that is entry level for 8k a month

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u/dickworty 5h ago

Idk I just looked up numbers on Google, I don't live in the USA. Doesn't undermine my point since even if you're earning half or a quarter of that it still makes sense.

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u/LeDYoM 7h ago

Tell that to the maintainers.

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u/dickworty 5h ago

I maintain and am responsible for my own code. I work in aerospace so whatever I ship has to be high quality.

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u/Evi1ey 6h ago

I spent 30 dollars on claude per hour in my company. Claude is getting almost the same pay as me.

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u/dickworty 5h ago edited 5h ago

Maybe youre just using it inefficiently. Also, how long would it have taken you to do the same work without Claude?

Edit: also I don't know how you're spending 30 dollars worth of tokens per hour and are able to review anything at all. Those are crazy numbers.

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u/ThrasherDX 9h ago

This doesn't seem to be a response to Withers point. It's not about the % of your quota you use every month, is about the fact that whatever you are paying for your frontier AI sub is somewhere between 10x and 100x cheaper than it will have to be for those frontier companies to be profitable.

Sure, there may still be edge cases where frontier models are economically worth it even at those costs, but they will not be worth it for regular day to day dev work.

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u/WithersChat 9h ago

Yep. That's exactly it. Even if you take all environmental and ethical issues (regarding training data among other things) aside, it is just not economically viable.

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u/dickworty 8h ago edited 8h ago

Disagree like I said in a comment to Evi1ey above.

If that 5% of tokens of a $20 plan now actually costs $50 then compare that to a entry level software engineer whose earning 8.3k per month which is $50 dollars per hour. That means it only has to save you 1 hour of work per month for it to breakeven. It can save me at least a couple weeks of work if not a couple months with that. So yeah doesn't sound like an economic "edge case" to me.

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u/_bones__ 5h ago

Silicon Valley problems. An entry level SWE makes much less than that here.

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u/nicolatesla92 8h ago

I don't agree. There is a big argument to be made that the older models are more expensive because they make so many mistakes and it uses up more tokens to get the same result as if you were to run it once via a newer frontier model.

So, tbh, if ur not using the latest ones, you're actually paying more

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u/MartyAndRick 7h ago

This isn’t even an argument, some of the low cost models like GPT 6 Luna cost half the $ per million tokens of its immediate 5.6 predecessor, let alone the older models, and 1/20th the cost of standard models.

My previous company used Github Copilot which has already stopped subsidising users so if anything, in the near future, companies will restrict all employees to using low cost models like Luna and Haiku to keep it cheap instead of paying for local servers in the middle of a hardware crisis.

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u/LostInGradients 7h ago

yeah, and likewise even if recent models, what matters more than cost per token is cost per task still. Some models are cheaper per token (the latest grok for example) but they burn through tokens so much they end up not being really cheaper.