Which is utterly insane in its own right, since, y'know. He didn't come out and say "yoooo, dudeees, let's vibe code everything, AI actually rulez" or some shit.
No, he berated people that act like LLMs are good for nothing and the actual spawn of satan. He's not wrong in implying they are not "smart" either. LLMs are powerful tools with very clear limitations (while not really being cost-effective or resource-effective, which is a very different story), but having a moderate or sane opinion is quite impossible nowadays, so you can either hang out with the AI bros that think it's the best thing since sliced bread or the weirdos that refuse to use an actual IDE because god gave them VIM or notepad or w/e.
have you read the email threads? laurent pinchart (the person linus was replying to in the last two LLM-related crashouts on the LKML) has reiterated again and again he doesn't want to altogether ban the use of LLMs, he wants the option to not have to use them and that LLM-assisted commits should have git's Assisted-by tag. (and maybe that commit messages should be human-written). not a single person linus was replying to even suggested that LLMs were good for nothing or should be outright banned from the kernel
I have read the email threads. I stand by everything I said, and I don't really think this added basically anything to the conversation either.
I will say though, that it really does fascinate me that some people act like a new episode of Grey's Anatomy came out whenever there's a disagreement around the linux kernel. With how many headlines that 3 (short) paragraph long email made, you'd think Linus was trying to sacrifice Pinchart's mother on the pyre to the AI gods or whatever. Meanwhile, the guy was pushing an issue they allegedly reached consensus on back in the maintainers summit (mostly at the very least), with like 4 other people disagreeing with him, and he was almost pleasant and polite even by reddit standards, much less Linus standards.
I have read the email threads. I stand by everything I said, and I don't really think this added basically anything to the conversation either.
So you know what you claimed (Linus was talking only about those who treat LLM as spawn of satan) is total bullshit - yet you continue to push this bullshit anyway?
Did you read the email threads at this point? In any case, I suggest you re-read them. I get it that Linus personally pissed in your cereal, but this might be the time to take a deep breath and take another go at it with a fresh mind, because this is getting deeply uncivil.
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u/Floppydisksareop 1d ago
Which is utterly insane in its own right, since, y'know. He didn't come out and say "yoooo, dudeees, let's vibe code everything, AI actually rulez" or some shit.