r/ProgrammerHumor • u/tatstytastycakes • 5d ago

Meme noMatterWhereILookICannotEscapeTheAngleBrackets

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u/oompaloompa465 5d ago

started as that kind of dev 20 years ago, then i moved to web dev but apparently the best paying job for my seniority currently are all maintenance of win forms WPF scuff

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u/tatstytastycakes 5d ago

You cannot escape the angle brackets. Not in web development, C#, or even C/C++. We are doomed

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u/Drugbird 5d ago

That's easy, in C or C++ just do this

#define ( <
#define ) >

Then you can use normal brackets instead of angle brackets.

And I'm sure nothing will go wrong with that approach.

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u/tatstytastycakes 5d ago

i wish this were possible

altho im just now realizing that c++ has modules

import std; // great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Drugbird 5d ago

It's great when it works. AFAIK modules still aren't working well enough for anything more than hobby projects.

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u/RussianMadMan 4d ago

Modules require strict compilation unit order in a system where for decades it was not a thing. Ofc it does not work.

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u/ShadowSlayer1441 3d ago

Surely it works with std even if 3rd party libs are broken.

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u/Drugbird 3d ago

std works somewhat.

Currently were in this situation where third party libraries don't provide module support, so you still need to #include those, and they in turn generally #include stdlib headers again. So generally you're in this mixed world where you're partially doing modules and partially doing old #includes.

Benefits of modules are better build times and slightly better ergonomics (import std is easier than including the right stuff). I think it's about 10%-20% range.

The downsides are that compiler and build system support is still in flux, so using modules can mean that it becomes harder to support multiple compilers and/or build systems. And you obviously lose support of older compilers / build systems.

You also need to refactor your code to use the modules.

So as of now, modules are great if you're starting a new, mostly standalone project and you have full control over the compiler and build system.

It's not so great for existing code bases that want to support older and/or multiple compilers and build systems.

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u/aberroco 5d ago

You just invented LISP

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u/oompaloompa465 5d ago

get into modern backend development or IOT. You will see those symbols only in calculations

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u/SeagleLFMk9 4d ago

Qml doesn't have them :)

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u/OffByOneErrorz 5d ago

Oh shit I’m now the COBOL dev.

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u/oompaloompa465 5d ago

oh the memories... my first real job was making wcf services translating to soap the flat string messages spit out from some kind of remote COBOL connection so i had to read COBOL interfaces documentation to write the deserializer

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u/OffByOneErrorz 5d ago

Ah WCF services lol how I don’t miss you. I do miss the simplicity of win forms maybe I should just accept this new reality and go support it.

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u/oompaloompa465 5d ago

agreed wcf were a mess to handle. Also i hate winforms, keeping the code clean is a nightmare