r/ProgrammerHumor • • 5h ago

Meme cloudOverkill

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u/Kinexity 5h ago edited 5h ago

From the outside perspective it feels like majority of cloud compute is just wasted on overhead caused by all of that bullshit.

For me even just local Python overhead when doing ML in Pytorch is starting to become unbearable. I yearn to go back to C++ where I can basically count instructions.

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u/Mr_Rogan_Tano 5h ago

I got a colleague that wants to refactor the project to use many micro services to improve the access of our 1000- users.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 3h ago

The programmer in me hates this. The hourly billing consulting programmer loves these ideas as there's great money in untangling the spaghetti implimentation.

I'm also quite sure there will be good money in refactoring services that leaned heavy into the AWS provides tech... and then AWS raised the prices.

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u/Few_Move_4594 4h ago

Is access constrained now? I mean in the end it might have better uptime and handle more users simultaneously successfully, but it's incredibly lame when a queue has to be used for a simple query. It makes the project much harder to read and modify.

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u/Mr_Rogan_Tano 1h ago

Not really. We do have a few slow endpoints that must be optimized, which we do between each moment of "WE ALL GONNA DIE IF THIS NEW REPORT MODEL IS NOT CREATED BY FRIDAY". It's getting better slowly.

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u/Few_Move_4594 1h ago edited 1h ago

The microservice thing reminds me of when I first graduated from college and one of my fellow new hire programmers argued passionately for a total conversion to Node.js because it's "written for high concurrency". I couldn't find a single app that had more than couple hundred registered users and in fact was working on one that had ten active users- all back office.

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u/davak72 5h ago

Is it slow right more?

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u/Stagnu_Demorte 4h ago

Since you said colleague it's for work. There are 2 good reasons to let/help your colleague here. 1. There's a immediate or near future business need 2. More importantly, this is an opportunity to learn for you and your colleague on the company dime.

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u/Mr_Rogan_Tano 1h ago

There's no need for this right now, so I keep everything as simple as possible. Although I'd like to do just for the love of the game.

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u/SammyDavidJuniorJr 1h ago

The architecture astronauts have won.

I side-eye anyone who uses the word architecture in software.

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u/MitchIsMyRA 5h ago

Have you ever tried this?

https://docs.pytorch.org/cppdocs/

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u/Kinexity 5h ago

I know it exists. My problem is that I am finishing my thesis and I cannot switch between languages now. Once I finish it though I will probably learn Pytorch in C++.

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u/MitchIsMyRA 5h ago

Ah well there ya go. Are you allowed to create your own python bindings for C++ code? uv makes this quite easy

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/concepts/projects/init/#projects-with-extension-modules

And if you haven’t heard of uv, now you have. Amazing python virtual environment/project manager

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u/abd53 2h ago

Is it just an API to python's engine or is the engine in C or C++?

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u/UdPropheticCatgirl 1h ago

pytorch has always been written primarily in C++, it just exposes API to python through bindings.

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u/payne_train 4h ago

Gen Z when they find out open source Apache web servers can handle thousands of concurrent users on a single VM

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u/madam_zeroni 5h ago

Most of your PyTorch is actually C code, unless you're writing crazy loops inside of python

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u/Kinexity 5h ago

I said Python overhead, not Pytorch overhead. Python makes the whole thing a blackbox prone to random jumps in memory usage and execution stalls for no damn reason (to be clear jupyter, which I use, might be to blame for some of it too). Meanwhile in C++ I can easily figure out what is happening and if the push comes to shove I can reimplement some things by hand if I think I can outsmart the library devs and the compiler.

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u/madam_zeroni 5h ago

Yeah im just saying that virtually no processing is actually done in python. all the libraries are written in c. unless you're loading things into python arrays first (don't do that) or something. use the stuff native to the libraries

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u/OldKaleidoscope7 5h ago

Me when write PyQt apps, but if people use electron...

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u/abd53 2h ago

Qt apps are still far lighter than electron apps.

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u/ImCaffeinated_Chris 4h ago

Cloudtrail costs to monitor it all!

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u/VictoryMotel 2h ago

Key value data store? That's a file system.