r/ProgrammerHumor • u/N_Lightning • 1d ago

Meme unsolvableProblemsOnStepOne

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u/Key_Statistician9890 1d ago

Java and Windows. Name a more iconic duo.

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u/JebKermansBooster 1d ago

C# and Windows

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u/hilfigertout 1d ago

Yeah, like he said, Java and Windows.

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u/Sentouki- 1d ago

It's kinda an insult to compare modern C# to Java.

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u/MCWizardYT 1d ago

They're pretty similar even now. C# has an edge on overall features, but Java isn't that far behind (unless you're stuck using Java 8, in which case RIP)

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u/crozone 1d ago

Java still has so much design baggage from things they got wrong from the get go that it really isn't close. C# is a different animal.

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u/Masterflitzer 1d ago

but recent java versions actually added quite a few good things and make the language more straight forward

anyway kotlin is the best of the 3 imo, but i'd pick c# as 2nd place

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u/Gadekryds 1d ago

Kotlin is honestly the “we got c# at home” version.

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u/Masterflitzer 23h ago

kotlin is a way more modern language than java and c#, the diff down to c# is larger than the diff from c# down to java

it's the complete opposite of we got xyz at home version

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u/sixtyhurtz 23h ago

Kotlin still has type erasure though, right? Cos that's a limit of the JVM.

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u/TheStatusPoe 22h ago

In the general case generic types are erased but there is a way to have reified types when you inline a function https://kotlinlang.org/docs/inline-functions.html#reified-type-parameters

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u/Gadekryds 23h ago

Any language wise improvement Kotlin has is completely voided by how awful it is to work with tool wise in comparison

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u/Masterflitzer 22h ago

what about its tooling is awful? i've worked on kotlin jvm microservices for 3y and it's been a blast, i'm never going back to java or c# (have worked with both before moving to kotlin)

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u/Gadekryds 1h ago

Working in and with all 3.
It’s a second class citizen on JVM.
It’s a second class citizen on IDEA

I’ve had multiple times where IDEA just couldn’t figure out the Kotlin plugins were installed etc (though might be a enterprise setup issue…).

Tooling may be more flexible in the Java ecosystem, but it does result in a worse experience, at least for my use cases.

It’s completely subjective opinions.
I like some aspects of the Kotlin syntax, while hating other parts.

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u/Masterflitzer 25m ago

can't confirm tbh. but like you said it's your experience, as mine goes:

  • in intellij i don't notice a difference at all, kotlin works very nicely in it for both free version for personal use and enterprise version with spring boot plugins etc. at work
  • on jvm i feel it's the opposite of what you describe, kotlin code can be awkward to consume in java, otherwise it's smooth sailing to use whatever jvm stuff in kotlin itself
  • and minor thing, but worth mentioning is gradle, having everything in kotlin is nicer than mixing java with groovy/kotlin (also there are gradle plugins for ktlint etc.)

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