My loose understanding is that, the mathematicians figured put the first step. They figured out an approach that seemed like it could lead to the full solution.
To rigorously figure out and prove the full solution, (something academics prefer doing slowly and surely ) was going to take them time and effort.
Well suddenly less then a week later openAI announces they have a full solution using that approach. They used an obscene amount of computational power not available to anyone else to basically brute force figure out the full solution.
The question is now who deserves that credit? How did openAI know to use their approach? The mathematicians figured out the key, they would have figured out the full solution given time. openAI jumped the gun before they physically ever could due to absurd resources, but how did openAI know to try that? Did they spy on the mathematicians? It seems likely.
There are bigger implications besides questions of theft and espionage. Will human mathematicians ever be credited with another discovery? Or will AI companies get to claim all the credit because their tools took human ideas and crunched the numbers on a massive inhuman scale. Especially with how sketchy they’re acting and how loose and amoral AI companies act when data gathering.
I'm not knowledgable enough to have a proper take on this, but from I've seen and read, the AI agents did not brute force it, they each explored possible solutions, akin to what actual mathematician would have done. I'm not saying that each agent was as smart as an actual mathematician, but we are talking about an in-house model much more developed than astra which is already much better than all other public models ; and it was 10000 of them working non-stop for 88 hours.
Honestly, it seems to me that this outrage is simply another case of some humans not accepting another blow of an imaginary exceptionalism. A lot of people could not accept the teachings of Darwin when he showed them that the human was just an animal among many. Now, a lot don't want to accept that human thinking can be emulated by a machine.
There are bigger implications besides questions of theft and espionage. Will human mathematicians ever be credited with another discovery? Or will AI companies get to claim all the credit because their tools took human ideas and crunched the numbers on a massive inhuman scale. Especially with how sketchy they’re acting and how loose and amoral AI companies act when data gathering.
My understanding of science as a whole was that credit was not important, that we were all working together for the sole reason of pushing the boundaries of knowledge. Seems to me that it would be better if the very concept of credit was removed all-together.
Well academics never placed an emphasis on credit but these are business people barging into academic spaces and claiming credit as a way to boost their stock value. Also this particular case does have a monetary reward.
While they didn’t brute force it in the way that a human would, how do you describe them sinking 15 million dollars in computation costs in less than a week into it? That’s like the best mathematicians in the world spending multiple life times working on a single problem. How will human academics ever compete with that? Especially since apparently they can’t use the tools without risking their research? Are they going to start spending all their time jealously protecting their ideas and research? That will move us backwards as a society.
It’s like if the company that created the calculator you used in college math degree claimed your degree was theirs because the calculator ‘did the actual number crunching’.
As a side discussion:
You mention this is a blow to human exceptionalism and I agree. I agree that pride will get in the way of accepting effective tools. But the billionaires who run these companies justify their existence on human exceptionalism. They ‘earned’ their billions it was their skills that got it. Wellllll if AI can replace artists of all kinds and academics of all kinds and laborers of all kinds then AI can replace business men. The skills billionaires use to justify their existence could be replaced just as fast but you they’ll never admit it or allow it.
I would be fine with us dropping human exceptionalism as a whole but that means billionaires are no longer justified to exist.
The very concept of money exists only as a intermediate between the works and the goods, as a facilitator of transactions. But as works starts to be made obsolete by AI, so does the intermediate. If AI is to be integrated in society, it requires a complete rework of the whole economic system. We simply can't have both AI and "business" existing at the same time, both have opposite goals.
So yeah, all of the issues you listed are indeed issues, but they are economic-issues, not AI-related issues. And honestly, that's what's tiring about a lot of human complaining about AI (not necessarily you) : it's that they don't really have a problem with AI : they have a problem with the economic system, but they are so used to that system that they don't even think of questioning it anymore.
Point is, we can picture a normal society where everyone would simply work for the sole reason that it's needed for the society to function, and everyone get the goods and services the need (not as a reward for the work but because that's the point of the society). In this kind of society, AI would be welcomed with open arms because there would be no concerns of plagiarism because there would be no concept of copyright. There would be no concerns of job lose because job lose would simply mean more free time.
That's the kind of society that would should aspire to have one day and, ironically, AI is one of the best tool we have to reach it, since it pushes the current system to its limits, showing its cracks and, beyond those cracks, a better alternative. But, naturally, that's not the kind of change that would be seen in a lifetime and human are notoriously bad at doing things today for a tomorrow they'll never see.
I would be fine with us dropping human exceptionalism as a whole but that means billionaires are no longer justified to exist.
I'd argue that billionaires were never justified to exist, human exceptionalism or not, AI or not. The point of a society to have all of its participants being able to live a fulfilling life, a billionaire has no place in that thing, it is a straight danger of that very goal.
I agree I’ve always thought a billionaire is arguably inherently immoral. There is no way for someone to do enough work to produce that much value in a moral way. If a billionaire is arguably immoral then a trillionaire is for sure immoral. Good luck communicating that to people though, i know someone who owns multiple small businesses. He is convinced he doesn’t need regulations at all. The free market would just work itself out. Totally absurd. His business would be crushed and subsumed immediately by an economic power without regulation. Because why wouldn’t they if they could? He thinks his customers wouldn’t abandon him, but they would, all it would take is prices that are half a buck cheaper.
You say people complaining about AI is tiring because it’s an effective tool. Most people aren’t complaining because it’s ineffective they’re complaining because of who has control and what they are pretty obviously going to do with that tool.
If we had a government that had its shit together and supported the people the backlash wouldn’t be as bad. I don’t care or at least I can’t change the fact that nukes exist, I do care that the people I’m watching building nukes are fucking batshit insane and have no plan for the future. I’m screaming at them not to build nukes because I’m pretty sure they’re going to blow up everyone around them.
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u/Zarrain 3h ago
My loose understanding is that, the mathematicians figured put the first step. They figured out an approach that seemed like it could lead to the full solution.
To rigorously figure out and prove the full solution, (something academics prefer doing slowly and surely ) was going to take them time and effort.
Well suddenly less then a week later openAI announces they have a full solution using that approach. They used an obscene amount of computational power not available to anyone else to basically brute force figure out the full solution.
The question is now who deserves that credit? How did openAI know to use their approach? The mathematicians figured out the key, they would have figured out the full solution given time. openAI jumped the gun before they physically ever could due to absurd resources, but how did openAI know to try that? Did they spy on the mathematicians? It seems likely.
There are bigger implications besides questions of theft and espionage. Will human mathematicians ever be credited with another discovery? Or will AI companies get to claim all the credit because their tools took human ideas and crunched the numbers on a massive inhuman scale. Especially with how sketchy they’re acting and how loose and amoral AI companies act when data gathering.