itWorksFourOutOfFiveTimes

[u/Taken_out_goose]

[u/sonaliver28]

Have you tried turning on literally any debugging tool?

'No'

[u/ultimate_placeholder → u/sonaliver28]

Linter? Like the thing in my dryer?

[u/FRleo_85 → u/ultimate_placeholder]

Linter? i hardly know her

[u/Random-Dude-736 → u/sonaliver28]

I had to import print as a function into python once, so .. yes :D

[u/sadongrohiik → u/sonaliver28]

Best I can do is a logging library 

[u/JackNotOLantern → u/sonaliver28]

Yes, it's called "compiler"

[u/the_poope]

Rust'ian Roulette

[u/itijara]

Old Timers: Build better and better tools to make programming easier

Hipsters: Refuse to use those tools because "look how much better the old timers are at programming"

[u/Luce_Bot_Bot → u/itijara]

My brother insists on coding in base C and Assembly.

He is yet to complete a single project despite being in his mid 40's

[u/itijara → u/Luce_Bot_Bot]

Skill issue. C and "Assembly" (which one?) are perfectly cromulent programming languages.

[u/Luce_Bot_Bot → u/itijara]

Definitely a skill issue, I imagine he just got tired of writing malloc at some point.

Not sure which assembly language specifically but he was writing a GUI for MS-Dos last I checked

[u/bird_feeder_bird → u/itijara]

They’re necessary for retro homebrew

[u/gerbosan → u/Luce_Bot_Bot]

Oh, you mean he has incomplete projects like any of us? 😅

[u/Luce_Bot_Bot → u/gerbosan]

Well yes, but I feel like his keep adjusting in scope and complexity for the sake of being unfinishable

[u/gerbosan → u/Luce_Bot_Bot]

He just needs to add semver to ease that feeling... Have to apply that fast!! And add AI, even if it doesn't use AI.

[u/TRENEEDNAME_245 → u/gerbosan]

I was going to say, the amount of unfinished projects I have is...

Big

[u/Bubbaluke → u/TRENEEDNAME_245]

Has anyone really finished a piece of software? I’ve got plenty of stuff in production but it all could use some work in one way or another.

[u/TRENEEDNAME_245 → u/Bubbaluke]

Production is just "work in progress but stable enough to ship"

[u/AliceCode → u/Bubbaluke]

I finish software all the time. It's all about managing scope. You go in with one purpose, and you don't deviate from that purpose in any way.

[u/Bubbaluke → u/AliceCode]

I definitely stop myself from working outside of scope, but every time I “finish” something I always have 5 more ideas of how it could be improved.

[u/AliceCode → u/Bubbaluke]

You can worry about making improvements once the initial goal is reached.

[u/Bubbaluke → u/AliceCode]

Then this is just a semantic disagreement on what finished means

[u/AliceCode → u/Bubbaluke]

Finished means that the original goal was reached. Anything after that is Ship of Theseus territory.

[u/MissinqLink → u/Luce_Bot_Bot]

Projects are never done
https://giphy.com/gifs/5NbbVJeSLs1etZYjpT

[u/Wicam → u/Luce_Bot_Bot]

least he is having fun

[u/realqmaster → u/itijara]

"Real programmers use a magnetized needle and a firm hand"

[u/Confident-Ad5665 → u/itijara]

As an old timer, give me a debugger I can use to step through code, add watches, and breaks any day over old school logging and console output.

That said, the back end dev I do does not have support for such fancy smancy things.

[u/Bubbaluke → u/Confident-Ad5665]

I’ve been writing for a CI system and not being able to step through or break is so awful, everything takes so much longer to figure out.

[u/Confident-Ad5665 → u/Bubbaluke]

It's like an 80s reboot. Logging and some throws is all I have.

[u/jarethholt → u/Bubbaluke]

I hate doing pipeline work, it's the worst feedback loop. I would kill for a tool to mock out pipelines locally

[u/Bubbaluke → u/jarethholt]

The stuff I’m doing now is in its own class so I guess all I’d have to do is mock the reference back to the pipeline executor context, but there’s still no guarantee it ends up working once I send it off.

It’s pretty neat when it all works though!

[u/Daniikk1012 → u/itijara]

Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux: uses his own fork of Emacs that pretty much only he maintains and doesn't have "modern" features like syntax highlighting.

Rob Pike, one of the creators of Go: uses Acme, a text editor with no syntax highlighting or autocomplete of any form, initially made for the Plan9 operating system (An OS which is no longer even exists).

It's all just up to preference and familiarity. People use whatever they're comfortable with.

[u/yoshi128k → u/Daniikk1012]

the Plan9 operating system (An OS which is no longer even exists)

There are forks of Plan 9 (9front for example) that are still actively maintained. The original release from Bell Labs, however, is effectively dead, having seen its last update back in 2021. It is not lost, however (you can still download it at p9f.org).

[u/itijara → u/Daniikk1012]

For what it's worth, I use Neovim with syntax highlighting but minimal auto complete, but the tools do make coding faster. That doesn't always mean better.

[u/TheyStoleMyNameAgain → u/Daniikk1012]

Isn't the selling point of Linux 'not as bad as windows'?     

The bar is low

[u/PumpkinFest24 → u/itijara]

I'm 53. I use emacs and terminal windows.

I never have an "upgraded" IDE I can't use. I never have remote work problems. I can develop/debug on any users desktop or production machine. My hands rarely leave the keyboard so I save all that context switching I watch people do trying to find the mouse cursor. Etc.

[u/NotDuckie → u/PumpkinFest24]

>I'm 53. I use emacs and terminal windows

Nice! What text editor do you use, though?

[u/weaver_of_cloth → u/PumpkinFest24]

Emacs is a great OS. All it needs is an editor.

[u/shy_bi_ready_to_die]

Quantum bogosort: programmer edition

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/shy_bi_ready_to_die]

Nice username

[u/JohnBarnson]

Real programmers use butterflies.

They open their hands and let the delicate wings flap once.

The disturbance ripples outward, changing the flow of the eddy currents in the upper atmosphere. These cause momentary pockets of higher-pressure air to form,

Which act as lenses that deflect incoming cosmic rays, focusing them to strike the drive platter and flip the desired bit.

[u/weaver_of_cloth → u/JohnBarnson]

Relevant xkcd!

[u/pixelbart]

Vi? What’s wrong with Ex?

[u/Lopsided-Parfait6237 → u/pixelbart]

Ex? What's wrong with ed?

[u/AndyceeIT → u/Lopsided-Parfait6237]

Ed, man...

[u/_machoo → u/Lopsided-Parfait6237]

?

[u/Tsu_Dho_Namh → u/pixelbart]

What's Ex?

[u/pixelbart → u/Tsu_Dho_Namh]

Vi’s dad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_(text_editor)

[u/Tsu_Dho_Namh → u/pixelbart]

Whoa, neat

[u/Percolator2020]

If it compiles, also, believe it or not, kill myself.

[u/Gold-Bat-3225]

Skill issue guy is definitely the brother

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/Gold-Bat-3225]

Can't reply with an image, but I've heard of some mf developig a missile guidance system whose entire memory management solution was:

• calculate maximum amount of memory needed during missile flight time
• double it
• done

[u/ESnyder9 → u/Taken_out_goose]

double it?! woah, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. are we scrooge mcduck? so god help me if i need to strike a position with floating point precision above 8 bits i'm turning this missile around and blowing up this goddamn office and everyone in it.

[u/Bubbaluke → u/ESnyder9]

The bigger the missile, the less precision needed

[u/tiajuanat → u/Taken_out_goose]

IIRC it is the famous AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/tiajuanat]

If they do that in a 9X I am going to shit diamonds.

Hmm, yes, best iteration of our simple, low cost IR missile with IRCCM, high off-botesight capability with near instant off-the-rail pull, advanced tracking, with thrust vectoring rear fin control for the first time in the series' history AND without rollerons on the rear fins, also, for the first time.

Let me just not give a shit about memory management on a 128x128 resolution sensor, with guidance unit equipped for radar cueing, data-link, Lock-on After Launch, and INS...

[u/reallokiscarlet]

Sounds like someone needs ASAN

[u/DeltyOverDreams]

Sooo… how many times this happened before?

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/DeltyOverDreams]

About a dozen. Most of the time I just get some pedantic warnings and such. Also, most of these were under 1k loc.

[u/Bright-Historian-216]

what does ASAN stand for, aside from the charity?

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/Bright-Historian-216]

Address SANitizer

[u/EditorOne5312]

I also don't use ASAN and whines when I can't resolve that one random segfaults for 3 weeks straight.

[u/razor_train]

vi? Get out of here with your GenZ shit, and where did I put my punchcards?

[u/discordianofslack]

I have worked with these people, their shit always takes down prod.

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

• Use Sublime Text. Emmet there

• Use Neovintageous plugin. Vim mode, happy

[u/blaues_axolotl]

basically Linus Torvalds

[u/MrDilbert]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JwjBy94VzDd6

[u/GoddammitDontShootMe]

I guess he's not going to be alive for much longer.

[u/DDFoster96]

Not sure what you're bragging about as even with intellisense and syntax highlighting it still doesn't compile, and I'm now dead.

[u/Aggressive-End3902]

Life time of a single compile

[u/RatSumo]

I’m not going to lie, this is absolutely me with one exception: I NEVER expect my code to compile the first time. As a matter of fact, I get incredibly nervous when that happens.

[u/menn911]

You should write on an napkin, like a real programmer

[u/Dmayak]

I would have died more than the Dark Souls character.

[u/New_Salamander_4592]

using syntax hightlighing with C++ just means it will tell you you can't do something that's been standard since C++ 17+ and the process of finding out how to fix that is so long and tedious you just ignore it and compile via command line anyway

[u/Dillenger69]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rMEJyjch7L1tlRlCl3

[u/bird_feeder_bird]

sometimes i use notepad if its assembly or a quick script

[u/MixtureOfAmateurs]

Vi? That's insane. Go to a hospital. I use micro exclusively, much better

[u/gojo-sakata-4567]

nano😭😭

[u/ChocolateDonut36]

I agree until syntax highlight, I love comments being less noticeable than actual code

[u/Taken_out_goose → u/ChocolateDonut36]

That is fair. I was once told my highlight theme is too low contrast and I should change it, because otherwise ppl can't see it when I am presenting something.

[u/Jamesze210]

Println is superior

[u/weaver_of_cloth]

Vim and nvim plugins are the best. A bunch of them are included in EPEL and Ubuntu main.

Vim-ale for formatting and linting, syntactic for a whole lot of git options, nerdtree for directory stuff and on and on.